Still unsure of the actual objective of this. It does offer some testing guidelines, but the rest seems like marketing propaganda. Can't shake off the feeling this is a "these are the results we want you to show" guide
I'm pretty sure this is done by both nvidia and amd, but what are your thoughts on this? Also does anyone have a link for the clean guide?
>Sup Forums is incapable of having a discussion without resorting to memes and name calling
Oh right, I forgot
Austin Ramirez
nvidia is a scummy company but everything I saw in there didn't seem too insane. Just typical bullshit that can easily be ignored. I mean of course nvidia is going to show their 'reference' benchmarks beating AMD's shit easily. Who cares, AMD did the same stuff. I say this as someone who so desperately wants AMD to do well.
Thomas Robinson
Literally every review site runs their own tests.
Benjamin Morris
at least now we gonna see better what site/youtuber will shill hard for it those 480 numbers must have been measured with an older driver cause there isnt a single review out there that shows the card being 65% slower and competing with a 960..
Adam Garcia
Well no shit it tells reviewers what nvidia wants the consumers to know. If you sell a product you want people to buy, then you do the best you can to pain that product in a positive light. You tell them why they should by your product over another product. Advertising is one of the largest markets in the world and it exists for a reason. The flip side (AMD) is no different. They will do everything they can to sell their product over a competitors offering. None of these companies are in this for anything but profit.
Levi Lewis
One thing I'm curious to see is once the reviews are out, who follows this by the word and who doesn't. Would really like to get my hands on an amd one though, so I could make a comparison.
Colton Martinez
well they cant really... unless they ninja chaned their previous 480 results... otherwise they gonna be on a serious trouble lol
Bentley Parker
Anything graphics card related isn't worth discussing.
Oliver Bell
Considering it will cost more than the 480 and have less RAM it better be faster in all areas.
Jonathan Garcia
it doesnt have the hardware to do so...no one in their right mind can possibly think that a card with 55% less hardware than 1070 will compete with 480 while 480 is almost as fast a 1070 on dx12..
Robert Rogers
>Almost as fast as a 1070 Don't do this.
Jackson Cook
I think Michael would be happy if you downloaded his Phoronix Test Suite at least once.
Blake Wood
Oh wow theyve upped the humour now to "480 is as good as a 1070"
Next week it will be better than the 1080. That card just keeps giving bravo AMD.
Joseph Phillips
>Reading >Images over text
I had to rageesc
Tyler Torres
they are hiding watermarks, who ever decided to leak it probably is liable.
Colton Sanchez
Lmao
AMDummies are so delusional
Jacob Garcia
>zł
Ian Cook
Well he did say "in DX12".
In DX12/Vulkan the 480 catches up significantly to 1070/980ti and will shit on the 1060.
Ian Reed
Sure, Nvidia used old drivers for benchmarks, but they stated that.
If they hid or lied about that, that'd be propaganda.
Christian Allen
>Reviewer's guide holy kek Nvidia brainwashing is real
Nolan Torres
Wow holy shit this is fucking sad.
Between this and the special "press" drivers Nvidia is worse than Intel at this point.
Alexander Scott
Nvidia is losing hard.
After years of dominating the market a little bit of competition comes along and they go and shit themselves.
Dylan Murphy
>1060 is better than 480 in every way >Nvidia losing hard
Top kek
Isaiah Taylor
>reviewers guide >look our card is so good >premium materials such as woodscrews >whisper silent and cool as fuck (80c) >fucking benchmarks provided by nvidia
Sad thing is shills like Linus will follow this
Lucas Miller
>unreleased unbenched card beating its competition
Zachary Russell
>10-15% for 100$ more
Nevermind this is paper benchmarks.
Jose Garcia
Poorfag detected
Nathaniel Rogers
>in every way >based on nvidia benchmarks >less vram >crap dx12/Vulkan performance
In reality it will be 5% faster in DX11 for $50-100 more, which is alot considering these are budget cards. That 5% in DX11 can easily be lost too, drivers for RX480 already increased its preformance by 3%. By end of August they could have another 5% in DX11, putting it ahead/on par of 1060.
Ian Richardson
By August the 1060 will be 50% faster than the 480
Jose Kelly
$9,999 for nuclear reactor? Sign me fucking in.
Brody Gutierrez
Then buy a 1070 or 1080 instead of a poor mans Nvidia card.
Logan Ward
480 gets 100+ fps maxed out on DOOM with Vulkan now, there's no need for some $700 waste of money card.
Austin Cooper
Ah yes, they're going to make it faster like a 1070 but still keep the mid range price, makes sense if you're an nvidiot.
Noah Hall
Nvidia doesn't improve performance through drivers like AMD though, since they are already launched at full capability.. Where have you been the past 5 years. Or you new to PC.
Nolan Rivera
Already have a 1070, it's great.
1060 is a step down and still much better than any AMD card too.
Josiah Smith
The 1060, heck the x60 and below is Nvidia's 'budget' tier. The 480's designed as a 1080p card anyway, why would I pay 50-100 more for 10 or so more frames?
Carter Nguyen
480 is fine if you don't mind killing your motherboard
Nathaniel Moore
I disagree, Nvidia cards at the lower end are shit and are outdated within a year (760 vs 280/x, 960 vs 380/x). They are only good at the high end $400+ segment (previously $300+ until they jacked the prices up).
Adrian Hernandez
It's worth paying for Nvidia quality. Better drivers, better power draw, lower heat.
Tyler Allen
a bit late with that granpa
Jack Richardson
cards from 2011/2013 are providing 83% more perfomance of their respective counterparts... its 2016 and 480 is already only 11% behind 1070 without having even matured drivers.. computerbase.de/2016-07/doom-vulkan-benchmarks-amd-nvidia/
have fun realising how a 200 card is gonna shit on 1070 at 5-6 months
Andrew Rivera
>Better drivers no. decade old meme. I have a 980 and previously had a 7950, had less issues with AMD drivers. with the 980 I have to roll back to previous drivers and now I dont bother updating them unless I absolutely need to for a new game. >lower heat heat is the same on reference cards, usually 75-80c on EVERY reference card. you dont want heat, you buy an aftermarket card. >better power draw true, but a slightly lower power draw wont save you money. a couple dollars in a year at most?
Jaxson Howard
>better power draw 400 series is loads better than the 300 series at that, so it's getting negligible.
>Lower heat AiBs solve this easily.
Benjamin Fisher
>Nvidia quality.
holy shit, as retarded as apple fanboys
Elijah Flores
I always thought that how gcn ages is hardware related. I noticed if you test the same benchmarks/games with new and old drivers (couple years back), they don't improve that much. It's on new releases that we see old amd cards gaining distance from nvidia. The larger vram/bus is a good example of it: larger new textures for instance will quickly exhaust cards with smaller amounts of vram and tighter bus
Ryan Rivera
kek this is actually funny
nvidia needs to push for new cards each year to compete with a uarch from 2011 man i wonder how big the smile is on the people that bought that monster 7970ghz back then
Jackson Baker
Too bad this is just a single game and 99% of all upcoming games in the next 2 years minimum will have dx11 support compared to the ~5 which will also have dx12 support. Amd are currently a no go for me and this is a pretty poor argument since its based on a case by case scenario. I'm getting a 1070 btw for the sole reason I know it'll work as intended without requiring api updates which most games won't even get.
Jason Taylor
kek 3 vulkan 16 released dx12 plus 8 more to come all AAA
dx11 is irrelevant as shit this year only batman will be the selling point of it IF warner actually release another one..
Owen Collins
Most AAA games in the next year will be DX12
Deus Ex next month, Battlefield 1/Forza/Watch Dogs 2 later this year, Civ 6 just announced DX12 support. TW:Warhammer just got DX12 support. Pretty much every AAA game will announce DX12 support closer to release dates.
Cameron Morales
>1060 $150 3gb >470 $150 4gb
HOLLDUP
Are all of you retards not reading?
Jordan Ortiz
>unless I absolutely need to for a new game Using nvidia for almost 20 years now, I can't think of a single instance that happened. I've gotten more performance from updating driver, but never has a game not run
James Rivera
>nvidrones will deny this
Doesn't this mean amd wins this for low market?
Samuel Perry
So you're telling me out of the 100+ games at e3 which all looked good and worth a play, only 25 or so will get dx12 support? Yeah that's pretty shit. 1070 it is my friend.
Jackson Scott
AMD has been playing a ridiculously long hand, doing so wasn't far from killing them, and they might be stopping that hand with the separation of everything graphics from the CPU counterpart
Adam Mitchell
Power draw on AMD is way worse than Nvidia. Power draw = heat production, so AMD cards always produce more heat as well. AMD just makes very inefficient architectures that are riddled with bugs.
Levi Williams
MAD POORS ON SUICIDE WATCH
Eli Foster
>that are riddled with bugs
You were doing so great until here. What are these "bugs" you speak of?
100 game on e3... every console games is amd aka dx12/vulkan almost all of the ports will be on vulkan/dx12 most of the pc exclusive are dx12/vulkan many of the indies are on dx11/dx9 literally almost all the big names of 2016 is on dx12/vulkan its very simple
These are just 5 games off the top of my head which are considered the biggest games to come out this year and next and there's no word of them being developed with dx12 support.
Also your claim of all console games being developed with dx12 is false. Consoles don't use dx12. Xbox has its own low level api which is much more efficient than dx12 and ps4 uses gnm. There are also a lot of console ports which run better on nvidia compared to amd. Go back to watching adored tv.
Dylan Green
>the biggest games only because it has dx11?nope sry doesnt go like that
dishonored 2 is going to have a dx12 path what was the last re game that was relevant? accordin got steam spy well....its pretty much dead IP if they manage to revive it it might be nice but given the team behind it well kek infinite warfare...the game that managed to have the most dislikes that everything good luck with that was titanfall 1 any sort of relevant in the first place? shenmue 3 isnt even a game that you will consider it AAA
you really dont know nothing do you know..first of all dx12 is already on xbox second ALL of them have the same code structure which means porting just became a lot easier third amd is bringing all of the profiling tools they created for the consoles to gpuopen.. when they talk about a homogenous ecosystem they mean exactly that...eventually paying to port a game on dx11 will be extremly inefecient
Jose Hernandez
When the 1060 comes out does all the manufacturer versions (ASUS, MSI, etc.) also get released day one with the founders edition?
Landon Lewis
well obviously milking cow fe needs to be out for a month
Luis Davis
What? Do you want to try again and write in English this time?
Aaron Sanders
FE COW MILKING
Jaxson Gomez
>Can't shake off the feeling this is a "these are the results we want you to show" guide
I read the whole guide and it's obvious these are just guidelines, the TDP and Noise Db were well explained and I can see some reviewers fucking up, we have already seen youtubers like jayztwocents fucking up big time before and lots of people watch him.
Also the part about noise was obviously something suggested they should mention on their review, as they have stated in the guide the 1060 should have lower temperatures and lower noise than the 1070 while using a blower fan, if it's true people who complain bout temperatures and noise on reference cards won't have anything to complain now and if it's like Nvidia says they it should be mentioned.
The driver part you just have to use you freaking brain, those papers are made with weeks on advance. also for amd shills lets not forget that in the 480 presentation AMD used a GTX1080 with leaked beta drivers to compare it with and the public drivers with improvements have been available for everyone for a few weeks already.
Juan Bailey
>b-b-but these games don't count because they don't have dx12 support
Like clockwork
>dx12 is on xbox
I can't tell if you're legit retarded or trolling. The consoles are already running at maximum efficiency with 100% gpu and cpu thread utilisation compared to current pc gaming which mostly uses a single thread and sub 99% gpu utilisation. Dx12 specifically helps pc gaming only and consoles will always be way more efficient due to their closed hardware nature. Why do you think Phil Spencer himself said dx12 won't do anything for xbox? Are you claiming you know more than him now?
Joshua Moore
Alright mate, calm down
Nolan Price
so what you are saying is that the ms statement to bring dx12 to xbox is a lie then
riiiiiiiiiiiiiighttttttttttttttt as always Sup Forums defies logic
Jaxson Martinez
MS is also making it easier for devs to implement mGPU using a new abstraction layer.
Alexander Allen
are you really suggesting xbone doesn't use dx12?
Bentley Rogers
So you are legit retarded then? Xbox uses its own version of directX api with its own specific libraries and always has since its release. The xbox gpu doesn't even fully support dx12 so anything they have added will only affect software side optimizations like creating a unified ecosystem between windows and pc and will not affect actual game performance. If xbox is running the pc api dx12 and only got it a year ago, how did they get the console to run at 100% efficiency under dx11 which everyone that isn't brain dead knows to be very inefficient especially concerning thread utilisation? Are you claiming the xbox had been using a single thread in all games till it got dx12 support because it was using dx11 before?
Isaiah Lee
>maximum efficiency with 100% gpu and cpu thread utilisation
Literally "I don't know what the fuck I'm talking about": the post.
100% utilisation only tells you that all resources are being used, it does not tell you if the architecture is being used efficiently.
At launch the XB1 used two APIs, bog standard DX11 (for developers that are ether inexperienced or have low resources) and a low level DX11 with most of the functionality of DX12 inspired by the low level DX introduced on the Xbox 360 in the later parts of it's lifespan in response to Sony's LibGCM. After the update last year XB1 now also supports standard DX12 on top of standard DX11 and the stopgap low level DX11.
Juan King
>posts speculation fud released months before dx12 release >even goes to the extent to claim esram was added because of dx12 >Phil Spencer comes out and literally puts an end to all these bullshit rumours >“On the DX12 question, I was asked early on by people if DX12 is gonna dramatically change the graphics capabilities of Xbox One and I said it wouldn’t. I’m not trying to rain on anybody’s parade, but the CPU, GPU and memory that are on Xbox One don’t change when you go to DX12. DX12 makes it easier to do some of the things that Xbox One’s good at, which will be nice and you’ll see improvement in games that use DX12, but people ask me if it’s gonna be dramatic and I think I answered no at the time and I’ll say the same thing.”
You're just embarrassing yourself now.
Noah Ross
>Covering up what I assume was a watermark with meme pictures
Lucas Hill
Compare it to the 1070
480 is slower than the 1070 and uses more power, 480 is incredibly inefficient.
It's even worse when you compare a 480 to a 1060
AMD's technology is basically a whole generation behind Nvidia
Tyler Perry
Nvidias prices are two generations behind though so it works out.
Colton Jones
They can do that because amd are way to incompetent to make a good product and win back market share.
Xavier Scott
It's actually 10%-33% slower and still costs $100 more, while also having 2GB less vram.
Oliver Bennett
The 1070 uses more power though.
Grayson King
You pay for a better product with Nvidia. Definitely worth it when AMD is making cards that literally destroy your motherboard.
Blake Bell
Sadly not even close.
The 1070 is 50% faster than the 480 and also uses less power.
Luis Peterson
>Definitely worth it when AMD is making cards that literally destroy your motherboard. Sorry, but you're more than a tad late to the party. Not only does this not actually break motherboards, AMD fixed it with a driver update.
Nicholas Sanchez
1060 is up to 33% faster than the 480. It's also the same price.
Jaxson Foster
AMD didn't even fix it, 480 still goes over the power limit. I almost got a 480, but I don't even trust AMD's parts not to damage my system. I had a 6850 and that's the last AMD GPU I ever buy.
Henry Hall
I'm looking through this list and things do actually look encouraging for Nvidia, there are a much of games where the card has a real improvement @ 1080p 60fps, even more if you're using a 1080p monitor at a higher refresh rate. Metro, GTA V, and Tomb Raider are all popular games where its seeing big improvements. A lot of the games it doesn't do well on are either unpopular, or the card is overkill anyways.
It doesn't seem to be good enough for 1440p max settings but neither is the RX480. Generally the RX480 scales better into larger resolutions which is no surprise but I don't know how many people are going to buy a big monitor, then get an RX480 and have to tune all their settings down, and 2x480 continues to be a stupider idea than going for 1070 even if the benchmarks tempt you.
Jeremiah Myers
1060 is up to 10% slower, all the way down to 33% slower, than the 480. It's also $100 more expensive.
Alexander Mitchell
>Still pushing those figures that come from Nvidia's own materials using old drivers for AMD and suspicious-as-fuck settings >After every thread since yesterday has pointed out how suspicious those figures are Well somebody sure ether seems to be gullible as fuck or a complete shill...
Kevin Long
Interesting, you might want to look at the picture to the left.
1060 destroys the 480 in everything
Nicholas Taylor
EVERY FUCKING CARD GOES OVER THE POWER LIMIT The 480 does so even LESS than the average nvidia card. Try harder, shill.
Benjamin Hall
>Definitely worth it when AMD is making cards that literally destroy your motherboard
This old and pointless news.
Nvidia cards may be more efficient, but they can't pull an Intel by just making more power efficient cards that perform /slightly/ better than the old stuff at the same price. Even if you swear by green it'll be cheaper to just buy older cards if 11xx series isn't a game-changer.
Eli Fisher
That's not even close to true.
Never has there been a card that goes over the pcie slot limit. That's why the 480 power issue is such a big deal.
AMD is just incompetent, that's the sad truth. If they can't even get something as simple as power draw right on their cards, I don't trust their products to work right in my system at all.
Justin Hill
Are you that one idiot that claimed as soon as it minimally passes the rated specs the slot will 100% grenade itself?
Connor Peterson
Like 1060 is actually impressing me quite a bit. There seems to be rather few games where 1070 has any performance improvements at 1080p 60hz, and in those few games you can probably just tame settings down a bit and you'll barely notice. It also beats their previous 900 series. The RX480 not being able to max certain games like GTAV is actually gonna be a pretty big deal to gamers. The biggest game where it doesn't improve over the RX480 is fallout 4, where the 1060 is overkill anyways.
This card seems to really hit a nice niche of luxury 1080p performance, I expect Nvidia to make a killing off it, even if RX480 was the better value card.
