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>apricity This actually looks very nice. Can anyone else speak for Apricity?
>antergos I consider Antergos to be more of its own separate distro from Arch. It has its own package repositories, it installs packages differently, targets a different audience, has its own bug tracker, and a separate community.
Adam Williams
so I don't really post here a whole bunch my distro of choice is the ubuntu fork/clone/whatever caled "Trisquel" I use it for two main devices my x220 my server (with nginx as the server tool) Honestly, it's a lot of fun learning the in's-n-out's of Gnu/Linux and for programming at any substantial rate it's 2nd to none. Overall I enjoy it and I prefer the way it handles over Windows. I know this is awfully /blog/-y but this is the GNU/Linux appreciation thread so fuck it.
Brayden Cook
from debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-basic_defs.en.html The project name is pronounced Deb'-ee-en, with a short e in Deb, and emphasis on the first syllable. This word is a contraction of the names of Debra and Ian Murdock, who founded the project. (Dictionaries seem to offer some ambiguity in the pronunciation of Ian (!), but Ian prefers ee'-en.)
Henry Jackson
Isn't Ian Murdock dead
Gabriel Jenkins
They need to rename it to DeadIan
Adrian Fisher
Murdock died on 28 December 2015 in San Francisco. Though initially no cause of death was released, in July 2016 it was announced his death had been ruled a suicide.
The last tweets from Murdock's Twitter account first announced that he would commit suicide, then said he would not. He reported having been assaulted by police, and having assaulted a police officer, then declared an intent to devote his life to opposing police abuse. His Twitter account was taken down shortly afterwards.
The San Francisco police confirmed he was detained, saying he matched the description in a reported attempted break-in and that he appeared to be drunk. The police stated that he became violent and was ultimately taken to jail on suspicion of four misdemeanor counts. They added that he did not appear to be suicidal and was medically examined prior to release. Later, police returned on reports of a possible suicide. The city medical examiner’s office confirmed Murdock was found dead.
Camden Russell
He is. The FBi FORCED HIM TO OFF HIMSELF IIRC
Tyler Bennett
Memes aside, is it really worth moving from Windows to Linux? I don't use much proprietary software but my real concern is that I won't be able to use Acrobat Pro DC on Linux.. something that I use daily. I don't play games either. Most of what I do is listen to music, read documents (office stuff), and browse the internet.
P.S. I do think I am being picky - I'm spoilt rotten by Acrobat, everything is so smooth and it just works.
On a side note does anyone know a really good alternative to Acrobat?
Christian Johnson
So it's another Mint? Sounds fantastic.
Camden Nelson
Is Linux a daily driver OS or is it purely a hobbyist/sysadmin sort of thing?
I'm a Windows normie. Is Linux for me? It's hard to get a real answer with all the memes.
Thomas Adams
Either.
Why are you considering Linux?
Parker Harris
Ian Murder
Jacob Edwards
How do I make it so applications open where my cursor is/the monitor my cursor is focused on rather than opening on my main monitor every time? I have multiple monitors so it's a little inconvenient.
Using Openbox if that matters.
Logan Diaz
go to appdb and see what is supported
Charles Robinson
With the shitfest vista was, i moved to linux and i've never had to go back to windows for anything.
Sebastian Evans
>Why are you considering Linux? Do I need a well thought out reason or something? I've been with Windows all my life but everybody on Sup Forums shills Linux and bashes Windows so I'm wondering if there's something to it or if it's just a programmer thing. I don't program.
Doesn't seem to be supported as well on Linux. To be honest I'm looking for an alternative that's as smooth and stable as the Acrobat that's on Windows.
Oliver Collins
It's literally in the OpenBox settings manager
Evan Young
I have a bunch of services that all write logs somewhere.
Is there a way to look at log files by service as opposed to combing through /var/log/whatever?
>I don't program. Then you probably don't need Linux.
Linux is super convenient for programmers who mainly live in the command line.
Ryan Bailey
I just started Linux Mint Cinnamon in a virtual box and I'm just curious, it is really that small for real? Or is it a virtual box thing? I can barely see anything even though it's set to the right resolution.
Shit is making my eyes hurt and giving me a headache
Blake Rodriguez
Oh I'm retarded thanks.
Liam Butler
I'm someone who's looking to eventually become a programmer, and I'm pretty interested in Linux. Do you suggest any books/documentation that would get me caught up with all the syntax and jargon?
Hudson Gonzalez
No you don't
So just curious
It's fun, I use it as a hobby. If you want to check it out go ahead. There are sometimes inconveniences you wouldn't see in Windows. Lack of support, lot's of googling and troubleshooting, etc. But it's fun, if you feel like it.
I don't program either. I just go online mostly.
Austin Hernandez
Virtual machines make everything small
> Mint
Please love yourself. Install Ubuntu if you want APT. Install Fedora if you want a good package manager.
Aiden Turner
Codeacademy is a meme site for learning how to "code" but it's linux CLI course is decent.
Ethan Wood
Literally me a couple years ago. Vista was trash, so I tried Ubuntu just for fun. But eventually I just wanted Windows again because "it just werks" and gaming.
Now with the absolute abortion that Windows 10 is I'm looking to get into Linux again.
I just don't know where to start other than Linux Mint, which I tried but wasn't a fan of. What's another of babby's first other than Mint?
Aiden Reed
lol
sorry
did you try moving your screen closer to you're face
Nathaniel Gomez
Just use Ubuntu mate since you already have experience with Ubuntu. Nothing wrong with it and it's easy for a babby to use.
John Morris
> Babby's first distro
Gentoo.
In all seriousness, try Kubuntu.
William Johnson
Install Manjaro. Once you get used to linux, convert to Arch. Once you start using pacman/pamac/octopi/etc. and the Arch/AUR repositories, you will find it hard to like anything else.
Oliver Thomas
Don't worry bro, I'm just trying different ones in a virtual box as trials to find what I like.
I'm super new to this shit, so I'm taking baby steps
Brayden Nelson
LUBUNTU OR DIE
Daniel Murphy
If you're interested in learning Linux, Arch Linux is a good start. Be aware that it might not be as "easy-to-setup" as other distros, but that's part of the fun.. at least for me.
James Lewis
I just installed Ubuntu for the first time /fglt/
This looks absolutely hideous, how do I install another desktop environment on top of this unity thing? I really liked Mint's KDE 4.14 but Mint in general was pretty slow, meanwhile this Ubuntu is snappy and fast.
Adrian Morris
change dpi within the vm
John Phillips
Is Debian beginner friendly and not shit?
Jeremiah James
And fwiw I've tried going back to Windows after years of using only Linux at home. Despite all the trouble with Linux, Windows just felt so locked down I went back. Big, basic, complete difference there.
Leo Allen
>Is Debian beginner friendly No. Do give it a try however, I eventually ended there after starting with Ubuntu.
Luis Hill
Just install Debian with xfce
Andrew Cook
That's hard to say definitively .. Why don't you try it out
Andrew Bell
did u try
apt get install kde
Justin Perez
going through git.gnome.org I could not find the gtk2 source of the legacy theme raleigh
This to be quite frankly honest my head shaking family.
Eli Stewart
This is nice.
John Young
Not entirely related to Linux but I have a question What's better, UEFI or BIOS?
Mason Gray
Hubba Bubba
Not many know of it or how to configure it. It's harder than Gentoo
Adrian Sanchez
bios uefi is a rotting peice of shit that should have never come to fruition.
ALWAYS check your mobo for bios support over uefu
Austin Davis
I hate UEFI so much.
Nolan Barnes
Asked last thread but didn't get replies.
When it comes to partitioning the drive to dual boot, how large should a partition be? I want to dual boot linux and windows but I literally will only have windows to play the occasional game. How would my partition need to be for that? Also for reference its a 128gb SSD
Isaac Hughes
I found UEFI easier when trying to dual boot Windows and Linux because I didn't have to create an EFI partition (Windows already did that for me) I split my 1TB Hard Drive into 100GB (for documents), 600GB for Windows and 300GB for Linux (with 16GB swap)
Grayson Gomez
>debian Isn't that for advanced users? I'm pretty beginner.
Nope, because kde 4.14 apparently isn't the only one out there. There's some 5.7 that's the latest, but it looks pretty ugly, and I don't like it.
Chase Diaz
lol wut
why pink gum
Jose Young
Shit nigger, I don't have that kind of space with this puny SSD
Leo Clark
arch and gentoo are the hardcore advanced user oses
Joshua Nelson
so what de do you want
Sebastian Torres
The only "advanced" distros are Gentoo and LFS. Arch sort of falls into advanced but it has the best documentation and as long as you follow steps and know what you're doing it isn't really a problem.
Lucas Sullivan
>16gb swap why so big oniichan
Hunter Lewis
>Who is anyone?
People who use Linux. I'm tired of retards pretending they're badass because they installed a distro via terminal.
I have a CS degree but I'm wondering how much actual opportunity there is nowadays for actual programmers instead of webdev meme language retards.
Full disclosure: I have no actual real world experience. I'm 25 and chose to travel the world learning languages (and teaching English) while studying various IT fields in my spare time.
I'm pasting this because I want people to tell me how stupid I am or what I should be doing.
>25
I feel like an old fuck that's making it too late. I have an affinity towards actual langauges (fluent in Japanese, spent 7 years learning it) and am learning Mandarin. Am I being an optimistic retard?
Isaiah Lopez
>arch >hardcore/advanced
Wat? You have to be literally retarded to find Arch hard. Even the installation is basic if you know how to use a computer. Even if you're a normal fag, there's thousands of guides online and even tools that offer CLI/GUI installers for it. Pacman is one of the easiest package managers to use, and Arch repositories/AUR are better than anything but Debian's. Only distros without package management and repositories are hard to use, and not even hard more so than tedious.
When will this cancer stop of people who aren't system admins or developers trying to use linux?
Nathan Bell
2x the size of RAM is what I was told.
Nicholas Ramirez
I was told to make swap just half the space of your RAM, so mine's just 4GB
which one is it gnutards
Dominic Baker
I believe this advice is from the olden days of yore.
Brody Powell
Should I format my hard drive as EXT4 or BTRFS?
Nolan Sanchez
Twice your RAM if you want to use hibernation. Else same as RAM.
Ian Baker
DDR6
Adam Morales
>BTRFS
Adam Sanders
> install grsecurity > double free > can't fixx it > give up for several months > go back to it > fix double free > fix boot issues > end in sight > finishes bootload screen > goes to yellow underscore in top right corner of screen > ctrl-alt-f2 lets me go to terminal > startx goes to black screen with my mouse pointer and stays that way
Jack Jones
I would say another elementaryOS. Btw everything is welcome if helps people to move to GNU/Linux.
Evan Edwards
In trying to figure out how to install my new HDD, I just found out about LVMs.
Is it worth setting an LVM up or does it not matter? Arch wiki says they have lots of advantages but wew this page looks complicated as fuck.
Julian Gomez
according to you guys what's the best desktop environment and why?
Connor Rivera
KDE 4.14, before they made that new one. But at this point I'm willing to settle for anything but unity.
Hunter Anderson
It depends of what you need.
XFCE its, for me, the more flexible DE out there.
MATE and Cinnamon are really good too. LXDE its ok but is ugly as fuck and openbox could be very hard to rice if you're new.
Andrew Gonzalez
I think Windows 7 has the best DE. It is DE perfect. XP is second.
It is just, how computers are supposed to be. Everything else is just a variation.
I use Windows at work and Linux at home for six years.
Mason Rogers
i like kde because the software that comes with it is all pretty good and almost everything will work out of the box
Jace Morris
doesn't kde use a lot of ram or is that just a meme
Owen Flores
Debian and Slackware r the two major distros I know of that have 4.14. Otherwise if you want to stay on Ubuntu, there r a bunch to choose from lots of ppl like xubuntu or ubuntu mate
Austin Rivera
So, since my laptop only has a small SSD partitioning the drive is out of the question for dual boot.
What are your opinions on Wine? How is it at running Windows and their programs?
Dominic Morgan
depends but a typical ubuntu release needs at least 6G just to install
in general, / 10 to 15G or more depending on the programs you would use
win 7 needed at least 30G for the C drive to work
Lucas Gray
Wine its ok with low performance programs or old programs. You wont run Photoshop CC with Wine but probably Photoshop CS2 will works fine.
Blake James
How do I get Logitech Gaming Software to work on Arch? I have a Logitech G300s mouse and I miss my CS:GO macros.
Benjamin Anderson
it uses 400-500mb on my machine, probably more than something like xfce4 but you will have less of a headache getting things to work
Brayden Myers
What about games on Steam? That's basically the only thing I would still use Windows for
Charles Walker
how customisable is it? like does it look good or can you make it look good?
Anthony Hall
might be the wrong thread to ask but, I'm running a server with a database and a lot of custom software/configurations on it I'm looking for a way to backup the entire server (important software, configurations, database, images, etc) nightly on a second server this way if the first server disappears we can be back up and running without losing much in just a few minutes
server is running centos 6.7
Jonathan Scott
i'm talking about xfce btw, kde doesn't look like it's worth it
Kayden Powell
xfce4 and kde are both very customisable in my experience
you could make either one look like pic related or go the opposite direction and install arc or some other dark theme
Mason Wood
The issue with all this freeware stuff and Linux and "freedom" is that normies still will only ever use the usual botnet shit.
Sure I can use Linux and brag about no proprietary stuff, but if I want to video chat with my girlfriend who is currently away for her job she'll insist on Skype or Hangouts because that's what all her other normie friends will use.
Shit like that, mang
Nicholas Scott
Damn that looks good, is that XFCE? Doesn't Skype have a native Linux application now?
Robert Sullivan
>Doesn't Skype have a native Linux application now? Implying that changes anything,
Benjamin Walker
it's xfce with numix icons and i think the arc theme
Angel Ward
Yeah, unless you want to live like rms, you gotta compromise sometimes.
Eli Campbell
UEFI. You don't even need a bootloader.
Jaxson Robinson
>compromise Nope. You have to stand up for your rights and for your freedom. People shouldn't forget that there's no difference in real- and digital life. Imagine someone comes into your room and listens to your phone calls, reads your mail and records you with a video camera. Just because in a computer you can't see it, doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Shit like this needs to stop and it can only stop with free software and to make the change, you need to stop to make compromises.
Gabriel Russell
Steam has a list of games that work on linux natively. If you want to run AAA games and you have time to learn about it you can try virtualizing Windows and doing GPU passthrought,
