What are Japanese programmers like? What's the industry like over there?

What are Japanese programmers like? What's the industry like over there?

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i will guess
>long hours
>sleeping in the offices
>other things typical to office conditions there

you're just describing salaryman-type work

which is accurate

If Japan has such a scary work ethic, why does nothing of importance cone out of it.

there is only sooo much work that a person can do in a day. You just kindof get tired and the juices in the brain stop.
At that point, just go home and get some free time.

Moonrunes everywhere

You presume the following:
important things = x + very hard work

But what if the result doesn't even require hard work?

Read New Game. Based on a true tale.

Because their work is inefficient.
They work to keep the 'wa' or social harmony going. If you are not working you're disrupting the harmony and bringing shame to famiry.

Even if your work is useless.

Phone - apps and games,
Console - games
PC - eroge

They are very effeminate and have girly figures. During their lunch breaks, they like to dress up in schoolgirl uniforms and rub their cocks against each other.

This is true, I have seen a few Japanese programmers in my lifetime.

They're all cute little girls. The industry is at a high school where they get into cute antics.

All japanese programmers are traps.
Especially the C programmers.

Dying, just like the rest of their culture and country.

is that show worth watching?
everyone tells me there's basically no software talk at all.

Watched 3 episodes and dropped, it's shit.

Main characters are 3D graphics artists. Only watch if you like K-ON and lesbians.

It's a meme show. Should be more interesting but like all modern anime it completely lacks imagination/creativity. It's ok if you're just bored or don't want to think.

What is this?

>just bored or don't want to think.
sounds like me desu senpai

Actual productivity in creative work hits diminishing returns early, it practically levels off when you pass 1600 hours a year (this is around 35 hours a week with four weeks vacation plus some PTO).

Constant overtime, lack of personal time off, pressure to work through sickness, and no vacation time reduce the value of every work hour put into this grinder if you're doing anything more complex than assembling widget head structures to widget receptacle fixtures or maybe taking care of administrative trivia. This applies both on a direct level and on making mistakes that are extremely expensive to fix, or decreased ability to seek more efficient solutions in the first place.

Japanese corporate culture evolved independently of Western corporate culture. In the West, employees are thought of as dispensable hired labor and nothing more. In Japan, corporations are modeled after an extended family, which was how guilds, etc. tended to work over history. The boss gives you salary, pension, benefits, etc. in exchange for nonstop crunch. It's super paternalistic and all sorts of fucked up, but it can work better than the Western model sometimes (think Toyota, etc.).

Management also tends to gain "consensus" down the entire hierarchy, gradually easing departments on board to new policies, before changing company direction. If the decision proves to be too problematic and disharmonious, management will reverse course.

Layoffs are outlawed and generally looked down upon by Japanese society, but some unscrupulous corporations like Konami try to skirt these laws by making employees' lives a living Hell inside the company (Constant surveillance, overstrict punchcards, demotion to menial labor, etc.), in order to make them quit on their own accord.

When it comes to software, specifically, programmers aren't too highly regarded, despite Japan's reputation as a technological powerhouse. They're seen as expendable temp work in a country that tries to combat unemployment and idleness with manual street-sweepers with brooms instead of machines. Management and legal departments tend to be really conservative, insisting on fax, landlines, or even typewriters for no other reason than tradition and fear of change.

tl;dr Japan is no Silicon Valley and never will be

>everyone tells me there's basically no software talk at all.
Everyone is right. This isn't "Shirobako for game developers." Though, if you like cute girls doing cute things without the cliched middle school/high school setting, then it's still great fun.

Have you been to Japan? Here's an example of something you get out of it: a national train system that is on time down to the minute, usually to the second.

Yes but if that's so good then why don't we have it in the US

Also, almost all software is proprietary. There's almost no FOSS to speak of. All PCs run Windows or Mac OSX, phones mostly run iOS or Windows Phone (it fared slightly better there), with a trickle of Android for flavor.

"PC Gaming" in Japan refers to either pornographic H-games, or League of Legends. Otherwise, they mostly game on consoles and mobile. There's a certain nationalism in that they prefer Nintendo and Sony, also evident in Samsung's 0.4% market share (because fuck Korean untermenschen).

*4%, the 0.4% figure was from an older infographic. Samsung is slowly starting to catch on in the country.

Sounds depressing

Everyone likes to make fun of Indians for being very technical but not very creative, but I'd say the Japanese are even more technically driven.

The Japanese spend their whole lives working like slaves and then are sent to a small room with all the other old workers the company doesn't want to pay retirement to. If you want that life be my guest. I guess the easy access to cartoons makes up for it though.

The only winning move is not to play. Hikkikomori masterrace!

VR waifus are coming soon enough, hang in there.

because we're a lot bigger and we can't fucking afford it

(Not the person you're responding to)
Although you're clearly trolling, that's actually a good point. In a capitalist society and economy, resources get allocated to people or tasks which are deemed valuable, with the idea being that projects or persons will be compensated equal to the value they provide. If trains running "down to the minute" (not insulting the original poster, just quoting them) were a valued service, then in a purely capitalist system the trains would be proportionally more expensive than they are now such that they were able to be made to run exactly on time.

As someone that takes the train regularly on SEPTA (Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority), I would appreciate the train being exactly on time every time I need it - but if it made the price of a ticket go from $6.50 to $10, maybe I would be complaining about how even if the train is late a couple minutes, I would be happy to pay less.

There are of course counter-examples to this: namely that in the United States, public transit is horribly mismanaged (my anecdotal experience - again, with SEPTA - is that I probably only need to pay for 1 in 5 trips due to under-staffing of carriages checking tickets.) I also don't know about how the Japanese rail system is funded, and have assumed it's government-funded.

As mentions, it's likely that if you were to cram a third of the population into a landmass the size of Texas, we would be able to manage such a feat without much issue, but I can see how your statement could be relevant to the issue exempting that.

Philly user here

Septa sucks major dick

Why is it so expensive? Lack of subsidies?

Always late too

I've interned at Microsoft in Japan and found them to have some Western influence in the company. Everything was more casual and relaxed, dress code was casual, schedules were flexible and management was less strict and open to suggestions than expected. I felt like everyone was treated well.

>tfw live right across the street from 30th
It's always mocking me, with it's shit schedules
RIP Silverliner 5s

I'm gonna have to be seeing that view very often soon bruh

look man, this show is for pantsu, if you watch it for anything else you are gay ok?!, now go watch kawaii 3d designers make kawaii npcs

Another Philly user here-
SEPTA really doesn't suck.
Go live somewhere else in the US. Dead serious. I have friends who live in places like SoCal and it takes them 5-6 hours to travel short distances because of the state of their public transportation. SEPTA is not bad. The worst thing they've done is hike their prices by a whopping $1.50 for the Regional Rail (Oh god the horror!) a few years back. But that's fine because the number of times I hope on the regional rail and they don't even fuckin check for tickets I've probably saved the difference over and over.

The other stupid thing they've done is rename the lines from R1-7 to stupid shit like Glenside Line or Warminster Line

Ayy whatup famiglia
At least you're going to a good school, what's your major

CS fampai

Yeah but regional rail is expensive. 160 a month for my zone

Once again, check it against other cities public transportation options. $180 is what it used to cost me a month when I was commuting down to Temple. Compare it to owning a car, having half decent insurance is going to run you around $100, plus upkeep on the car, plus gas. It works out to be cheaper to take the train.

>shitting on Glenside
Shut the fuck up you ignant nigga, Arcadia best university NA

Take classes with Kandasamy, Savidis, Trachtenberg, and Prawat. They're not the best teachers, but they teach the most interesting courses and are competent in their fields. Savidis teaches some really rad courses (ECEC-471 through 473), but they're tough as shit. Burlick's CS-430 is super cool too.

>SEPTA apologist
Next you'll be telling me buying South Korean railcars instead of USA-made was a good idea
(I'm being facetious, and am thankful for the fact that Philadelphia has an actually acceptable public transit system every day when I take the blue line to work)

Japan is hopeless with computers. Their work culture is completely broken, you are rewarded more by how much time you spend at work than actual productivity. As a result they don't adopt things that improve productivity because it makes you look bad.

It only works in their favor for labor intensive tasks that cannot be easily automated or haven't been influenced by technology much.

>America
>HSR

Just stop. Literally nobody uses Amtrak. America was built for cars and self-driving cars will fare exceptionally well for this purpose in the future. We don't need more taxpayer dollars wasted on autism trains in this country. It's currently cheaper and faster to fly than to ride passenger rail in many places.

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Another component of this is that it's viewed culturally as insubordinate to suggest to your superior that a task has a better solution than what is currently implemented (the concept being that someone inferior in the power ranking suggesting an alternative implies that the boss hasn't done his due diligence in exploring options for improvement).

>literally nobody uses Amtrak
Today on the subway someone asked me how to get to 30th for this exact reason.
I agree with your assessment of the current situation concerning public transit's inefficiencies with regard to supplanting personal automobiles, but I would rather the railway system was nationalized and made acceptable to European and Japanese standards before I would recommend self-driving cars as an alternative (not due to a lack of applicability of self-driving cars, but because maintaining the road infrastructure in the US is already a herculean task, and it should be done away with).

>Literally nobody uses Amtrak
because Amtrak is garbage

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our company has a japan office. their code sucks as much as ours does.

>muh taxpayer dollars!
and just how many taxpayer dollars are you paying in each year? i ask because the people who usually use that phrase have an level of employment somewhere in between NEET and a UPS delivery driver.

i agree though that amtrak is largely a waste of money. it only really makes sense in the northeast corridor of the country. it's basically a government entity at this point. i wish high speed rail was more prevalent in this country, but people like driving for some reason. cars are an awful way of getting around any metro area and need to be eliminated.

Capitalism hates trains and prefers personal vehicles and roads

Capitalism doesn't hate trains, it's just as a system evaluated personal vehicles as being a better value proposition.

>it only really makes sense in the northeast corridor of the country
(Not the person you're responding to)
I didn't even know Amtrak serviced anything other than the New England region.

Generally people use subways or ubers in metro areas. I can get around Boston alright by car, but it's definitely not ideal. In Manhattan it's basically impossible. I've seen buses used pretty extensively in certain college towns, but nowhere else because of the dirt-poor inner city nigger stereotype.

it stretches from coast-to-coast. flying is usually cheaper and less likely to run late. i took an amtrak from minneapolis to la crosse, which should have been a 2.5 hour ride, and the train was *2 hours* late.

>Everything was more casual and relaxed, dress code was casual, schedules were flexible and management was less strict and open to suggestions than expected.

Small companies are like that. At my workplace, most people come to the office at around 10:00 pm and leave at around 5:00 pm.

*10:00 am

>working as a software developer at a reasonably-sized company (2000 people)
>get in at 9AM and leave at 6PM
>the person I report to doesn't get in until 10AM, and leaves at 4PM
>my boss basically just never comes to work and just remotes in for meetings
>I'm literally the first person into the office and the last person out
Fucking developers need better work ethic

High speed rail would be really good for the North East corridor (Montreal to DC, maybe Chicago to Quebec City), or maybe from Vancouver/SoCal. But really if you are going inter-regional you take a plane and get there faster for cheaper. Trains would just be more convenient from a security, safety, and environmental standpoint.

Honestly inter-regional traffic isn't an issue, it's the ridiculous urban sprawl and very poorly planned transit systems, yes cars included in all the major cities. You just can't have any sort of density with a car-based infrastructure and peoples lives suffer when they have to spend 3-4 hours a day getting to and from work.

youtu.be/mbEfzuCLoAQ
This is a good video on the subject but I hate this guy's voice.

Also, important to note that over half the cost of driving is taxpayer-funded - if people had to pay their share of highway and parking maintenance on a per-use basis, no one but the rich would drive. Similarly, airline infrastructure on the ground in the form of airports, air traffic control, and security is all government-funded, while Amtrak is expected to rent track, maintain the small sections it owns, replenish its rolling stock, and provide security at stations all from its own operating budget.

I unsubscribed to this faggot when he made that video endorsing the "everyone should go to college" scam.

He really does seem pretty bluepilled, if that means anything anymore. I noticed in the train video he left out the part about how Nixon intended Amtrak to operate for no more than two years, after which the public would be so appalled by its poor service they would demand it be shut down.

Seems kind of an oversight when discussing why Amtrak sucks to leave out that its original purpose was to suck.

>Also, important to note that over half the cost of driving is taxpayer-funded - if people had to pay their share of highway and parking maintenance on a per-use basis, no one but the rich would drive.

What difference does it make? We still have to pay it out our pockets through taxes, tolls and such. It would actually be cheaper if it isn't taxpayer-funded. Being funded by taxes doesn't make anything free, unless you're on welfare and not contributing to society.

There's no incentive for the government to be economical because they won't ever have consequences for misusing money. I, for one, am incensed that my taxes are being used to fund the design and construction of faulty infrastructure at exorbitant cost. Right now, a major bridge in my area is a safety hazard due to bad design and materials. There are signs of rusting after just one year of construction, but the the local government pretends everything is alright.

The point is that comparing trains, planes, and cars is not an even decision in a free market. With the government pumping so much money into the Interstate system you're leaving money on the table if you don't drive. It distorts people's decisions and leads to a generally inefficient arrangement of our cities.

>If Japan has such a scary work ethic

If you've taken Japanese, you might have learned this kanji, meaning "work."
The Japanese coined it. It did not exist in Chinese.

Because Americans are fucking retarded.

Not really. Computers primarily developed in the west, so the coding syntax is all in English. Plus with the number of keystrokes needed to generate runes makes it impractical to create a language based in that script.

Patent grants for the top 10 offices, 2013[3]
Rank Country Patent grants
1 Japan 340,364
2 United States 244,228
3 China 154,505
4 South Korea 123,817
5 European Patent Office NA
6 Germany 81,788
7 France 43,163
8 Russia 23,507
9 United Kingdom 21,017
10 Switzerland 20,166

>if that's so good then why don't we have it in the US
Because just because something is good doesn't mean the US is going to have it, you don't have a lot of good shit such as universal healthcare or any public transport infrastructure at all (compared to Japan or Europe).
US is objectively the shittiest western country.

>Perl scripts are rife
>Weirdly not that uncommon to see ASM
>Ruby popular as a newer language, valued above python because it works better with 2 byte characters
>Windows relied upon heavily for anything it can...
>...Except virtualization, where vmware is God and rules everything. EVERYTHING.
>Corps are shit, working conditions and stuff are what you've heard - constant overwork.
>Western companies are better to work for because you just don't get all (or any) of that.
>Startup scene is interesting, not really blooming though. What is good is that Japanese startups embrace the western startup attitude, so no uniform/work clothes and no ridiculous overwork expectations.

soh sohsoh soh moar pldzz

Compared to the chinese, it's like fish having no word for water.

no the languages obviously

I imagine most string/character type variables are gonna be full of runes
comments and documentation too

>If Japan has such a scary work ethic, why does nothing of importance cone out of it.
Because driving your workers hard has a negative effect, whereas the nordic countries with their lax conditions, short days and long vacations, have the highest productivity in the world.

we have this shit in every civilized white country of europe, e.g germany

Lemme tell you about the tech team at my Japanese university
>we use 'active mail' which is absolutely terrible
>limits length of usernames to eight characters
>it gets hacked weekly and is always down
>we officially have wifi everywhere but it only works in half the buildings
>to connect to wifi you must not only sign-in, but also edit your proxy settings
>the computers we have are nothing more than terminals that connect to w8.1 virtual machines. It takes 15 minutes to log in
>the few real computers we have are XP machines update to W7 that are almost as slow as the vms

It is so fucking bad.

And this is one of the top private universities in the country.

>university
>tech team
from my experience, those are always gonna be retarded no matter where you study

educational computers are known to be slow as shit

Educational computers should be slow as shit so you don't write shit code that takes forever to run

Im not sure about that... My community college in the U.S. runs i7 haswell in the majority of the computers . My home computer builds slower.

Liiving in Tokyo, used to live in NYC (worked in Manhattan, lived in Queens), and California.

>expensive
What in the world are you talking about? My monthly transportation costs something like 80 bucks to commute to and from my job and maybe another 20-30 bucks for personal things (Tokyo Metro). I paid more than that just paying for my gas in California (never mind insurance and other maintenance costs), and monthly passes in NYC were $120+. A lot of things in Japan are expensive, but transportation isn't one of them.

>implying german trains are punctual
what the fuck

>calls Japan expensive
>his tickets are $6.50

It is like $2-3 max to get anywhere in the same city.

$6 could get you to another city.

Japan trains are dirt cheap.

Aren't japs awful coders? That's the meme i've been hearing around lately

youtube.com/watch?v=mbEfzuCLoAQ

>What are Japanese programmers like? What's the industry like over there?


Well they all use Neovim.

No, you are falling for the anti-japan propoganda.

True Scots argument detected.

In some European countries a train is defined to run on time if it as not more than 3 minutes late at the end. And even so there are problems and delays.

>Capitalism hates trains
Garbage. Capitalism is about ownership of the means for production, not about how you transport things or people.

By the looks of it the Amtrak system was determined by the need to transport cars and raw materials for making cars.

Japanese companies don't value programming skill, so you won't get paid more for having it. It still exists, but they don't look for it.

Amtrak literally didn't build any of it. They rent it all from freighter companies and local commuter rail.

Maybe. I remember Iwata had to recode gamefreaks original pokemon release because they couldn't make it fit into the cart

This. In Japan everyone is just a cog in the wheel.

Slice of life in a unrealistic setting with dull characters.

...

There's a similar thing in Scandinavia and Finland. No one is a tall poppy, and a shitty web dev gets roughly the same salary as someone working on distributed systems for Google.

>everyone brought their own laptops
>everyone just pushed stuff to github

that's how tech projects work at my uni

He didn't say nothing came out of it, he said nothing of importance.

I fucking hate """bisexuals""

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>from my experience, those are always gonna be retarded no matter where you study
In my university, the tech team is doing an amazing job.
>almost no downtime
>security audits every year
>debian with backport kernel in option
>mate, cinnamon or a basic tilling WM
>shit load of FLOSS softwares
the only non-free software I found was sublime text
>tor node
They really work only 2 months a year, during the summer break to set things up to date.
During the year they mostly replace stolen mouses and broken pc, and wipe google chrome cache on student accounts.