Audio General

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Audio General Thread
Post your setup, give suggestions, post some pastebin or quick consumer guide, so that we can upgrade them
Aesthetic setup edition

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using fluance sx6 fronts, sxbp rears, and a fluance sxc center. denon 710w for the amp.

sounds ok for movies and tv. but it's a budget setup until i get real home audio gear

I have 2 setups and lend one to my sister.

a) Wharfedale Diamond III
FX Audio X6
Somic V2
Lepai Amp

Cheap stuff here and sounds pretty good, need the small shit for my small desk


b)Wharfedale Diamond 121
Hlly TAMP 90 Amp
Schiit Modi Dac

This I bought a few months after I got my Wharfalde Diamond 3s that introduced me to speaker systems a few years ago. Pretty ok setup just that I prefer neutral shit over my boomy bass that overpowers stuff on some songs. Next time I will get some high end more neutral speakers. Dacs and Amps IDK about.. they dont always doTHAT much it seems, would hate to spend a lot on that sorta shit

Cool as hell

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Does anyone have the Airmotiv 5 or 6's? I'm thinking about buying them and they seem to be really nice speakers.

Is headphone/speaker burn-in a meme?

It's not a thing if that's what you mean.

I have that TV, first time seeing it in a modern setup

>AESTHETIC

this is the literal goddamned future.

large swathes of speakers will be rendered obsolete once a manufacturer has the balls to pursue DSP-controlled directivity in the $200 range.

You think JBL LSR305s are a meme? hold on to your butts.

are you willing to sit within 3 feet of them, keeping your head within a 2x2inch window? if the answer is yes (and i'm not being facetious), then they're half decent. they're well-made and all that, but better exists for cheaper.

Can you guys recommend a decent entry level amp? Gonna get a pro-ject turntable, and the amp it's gonna be mostly just for vinyl. I'm not looking to spend loads on it as I'm just getting into audio.

>this is the literal goddamned future.
It is. Kii Audio Three does something similar but not in this scale and they still cost around 10k a pair.

>not looking to spend loads on it as I'm just getting into audio

then why are you buying a pro-ject?

pick up a used SL1200, an ortofon red, a finished Sure amp, and spend the rest on vinyl.

I miss 80s B&O

In my country getting a decent used turntable is pretty hard, Im not too sure about buying second hand from abroad, the delivery and shit doesn't give me a lot of confidence.
I saw a pro-ject essential II for about 200 € which seems a good entry point to me.

That said, Im gonna see if I can find any of your suggestions, cheers

a calm comes over you

the spirit of B&O Speakers Past nuzzles your cheek, and whispers,


" CHECK OUT DAT BEOLAB 90 SON, MY SOUL BE ALL UP IN DAT SHIT "

>tfw it's time to slip in to something more comfortable

technic SL1200s is pretty damn ubiquitous, but if it's really that hard to find then the essential II looks fine, as long as it comes with the Ortofon OM5e for that price.

Forget what I said about the sure amp and go pick up a used receiver with phono inputs (you have those, right?)

This is a eames chair knockoff

yeah those are easier to find

Are the jbl lsr305's as good as everyone says? I see them recommended everywhere but the 308's and 530's seem to never be recommended.

yes.

you don't see 308 recommended because fewer people ask for stuff in that price range, though they're better than the 305.

you don't see the 530s because they have poorly designed horns and screw up on some essentials (but not looks, obviously, because gottdam).


The ones I'm curious about are the Arena 120s. They basically passive 305s for $100 less, but I see some unnecessary waveguide gimping going on. No data yet.

>Are the jbl lsr305's as good as everyone says?
No. Both Tannoys and Yamahas are better.

Anything I should look out for when buying second hand speakers online other than obvious damage?

I might get the 308's then, they're right around my price point and seem to be highly reviewed.

for dedicated monitor use, sure, I could see them edging out the 305 (I don't actually see evidence this is true, but it's plausible).

but in the context of this thread, with people listening in real life conditions, the 305's narrower directivity gives it the leg up on the HS5. the tannoy doesn't seem to have much going for it aside from being ruler-flat on-axis and not beaming on the top end, which relegates it to monitor-only use.

>with people listening in real life conditions, the 305's narrower directivity gives it the leg up on the HS5
What you wrote doesn't make much sense to me. Any speaker sounds best when it's placed and configured properly. The 305's supposedly "narrower directivity" sounds like a buzzword to me. In the right environment, the Yamaha always outshines the JBL, speaking of monitors.
> the tannoy doesn't seem to have much going for it aside from being ruler-flat on-axis and not beaming on the top end, which relegates it to monitor-only use.
If ever the Tannoy have better low end than the LSR 305 simply because they're front-ported, then their bass reproduction doesn't change even if they're put near the walls.
All 5" inch monitors lack bass and low end btw, which is why people wanting a monitor speaker should be more concerned with 8" monitors. In that cathegory both Yamaha HS8 and Tannoy Reveal 802 outperform the JBL lsr 308 in linearity and clarity.

if you think directivity is a buzzword, then you sorely need to read up on advancements in psychoacoustics over the past 10 years. i'd jump into this further, but i have to sleep.

the gist is that the 305s don't require a "right environment" to work well. they work as farfield speakers, as the waveguide directivity reduces early room reflections that harm imaging and timbre.

the yams are controlled directivity, too, but since their dispersion is closer to an omni source, you'd have to get some significant room treatment to match the 305s' in-room performance. they may best the 305s in pure nearfield monitor use, but that's hardly relevant to how most people use their speakers.


I'm too tired to fully parse what you're saying about the tannoy ports through the typo (so I might be repeating you here), but port location on speakers this small doesn't matter, as the wavelengths are big enough to radiate omnidirectionally. the distance between front and rear ports isn't large enough to affect bass linearity (regardless of wall proximity), and either way the effect of room modes swamps everything below the shroeder frequency.

>10 years
you mean 30
but only recently low end manufacturers started giving a fuck, yeah

In the past I tried having a surround setup with a 300usd ish modern receiver.

But, the rear audio sounded like shit, and the general audio quality was brought down.

I figured this was because of a cheap receiver, so is there a truth to that?

By shit I mean it sounds like when you only plug in the 3.5mm jack in half way, but still get stereo.

Anyone using a proper surround system?

>Vinyl is better quality than FLAC, because it has a wider range since it's analog.

Do you retards actually believe this?

>I figured this was because of a cheap receiver, so is there a truth to that?
It's likely that your receiver is the last component to blame for shit audio quality. Loudspeakers and room are much more important and a "proper" surround system is not exactly easily done.

Where did that quote even come from? Firstly, that barely makes sense and I doubt anyone here is dumb enough to deny digital formats' superiority over analog.

No really. I connected the rear speakers to the front and they sounded just like normal, but as soon as any of the speakers were in the rear connection, it sounded like shit.

Sounds like it's broken or the loudspeakers are drawing too much power causing it to clip. What receiver and what loudspeakers? Did it sound like shit on all volume levels?

That is a quote I heard IRL. I was wondering if that idea was popular among audiofags.

its 2016 and you dont need a turntable to be ironic.

I had a rega p3 for years. i just sold it to a hipster for a laughable amount. I listen to 24/192 vinyl rips and DSD 128 through digital crossovers and on the go through my dap. Embrace the future.

This was years and years ago with different speakers, the receiver was strong enough for the speakers so there wasn't a power issue.

The receiver is a pioneer vsx 421. It's a cheap one, hence why I think thats the issue.

Dont unless you can test the impedance of the coils and input with a multimeter (normally 8ohm and 4 ohm respectively) and push the cones in youself to makesure the voice coil isnt scratching against the magnet from a temperature excursion dont bother.

Audio myths like vinyls being superior in terms of bandwidth or dynamic range aren't too uncommon sadly. There's a large part of the consumer audio market that is completely unreceptive to science and even anything digital. It doesn't help that marketing and "audiophile" journalism likes to parrot these things no matter how unfounded they would be.

>the receiver was strong enough for the speakers so there wasn't a power issue.
Strong enough for what kind of load exactly? Some loudspeakers have rather problematic impedance swings down to just two Ohms and are particularly hard load for amplifiers. This combined with low sensitivity could've easily caused clipping which sounds heavily distorted. Price isn't really a worthy piece of information. You can find great receivers for very modest prices and investing a lot to them doesn't guarantee good performance by any means. It's always just as dependent on the load you present to your amplifier as the amplifier itself.

All I remember is that they were a good combo in stereo, the front speaker outputs, being within the wattage and ohm requirements.

As in I'm not powering 20ohm 900w rms subwoofers on a chink 12v amp on volume 11.

It was no power issue, no clipping. Just the sound of not being plugged in, like a 2dollar battery powered phone speaker.

ASW 608 on the floor

To clear something up, high impedance = easy load in every way aside from generally lowered sensitivity. Don't know any loudspeaker with Ohms as high as 20 as such high impedance would be very impractical for delivering lots of current. Low impedance draws more power and thus strains the amplifier more, causing it to get increasinly nonlinear as the loudspeaker impedance goes down. Loudspeaker "power ratings" are just mere maximum power handling capacity they have, not a requirement for driving them. RMS is a spec of continuous power output, used to describe mainly amplifier's power. Although I guess RMS value could be used for loudspeakers as their maximum continuous power handling capacity, too.

Apogee Duetta Signatures

why o why

Hey let's design a two way loudspeaker with a single full range driver and a tweeter but no crossover. Give it a nice paint and a price of 7k a pair.

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Just fuck my shit up.

is there like a retards guide to home audio?
i know nothing about audio setups aside from headphones

Kind of a broad concept that. I'm sure there are easy guides without delving into something too technical but anything more specific?

So I got 2 options
A pair of JBL 305
or
5.1 Setup, Micca MB42X for fronts and rear, a Dayton 800 Sub, and for center a BIC America fh6

My room is like 2.5m * 2.5m

jbls
don't even bother with surround in a room that small
also match the LCR speakers

>Zu
Not even worth insulting.

Some stuff is the same, low impedance loads are more difficult and more sensitive, low output impedance is desirable, voltage relates to sensitivity.

Frequency response charts need to be augmented by off-axis behavior, directivity charts. Thermal compression and excursion limits are serious issues, at higher playback level.
Careful placement of speakers if possible, control desk reflections, early reflections, and countless other crap.

Looks like shit.
Shit placement
Shit prepared room
Door...

I know my setup is shit but just how shit is it
I use a schiit modi with Numark MNPM5's a long with an old KLH E-120 from a home theater setup.
I'm also using a RCA audio splitter off the modi to pass audio to both.
pls respond

NHT Classic 3 bookshelves (front)
NHT SB2 bookshelves (rear)
Dual NHT SW10 subs
Pioneer Elite VSX-59TXi monster receiver

Run digital optical from output on motherboard to the receiver

Where do I improve next?

>tfw no Eames crow

fuckin nice desk

R8 my cheap setup

>Schiit Magni
>Schiit Modi
>Schiit Wyrd (I had issues with really bad feedback from my rig)
>JBL LSR 305
>DT770 80ohm

I'm super happy with my 305's

yes, they are actually that good.

Those are some amazing speakers. You look at them thinking there's no way the sound comes from them but oh boy it does.

Whats the smallest room where I think about using surround 5.1?

oh no
its the room treatment faggot

Any thoughts on the Emotiva Airmotive 6S's? Can't really find any reviews on the newer "S" version.

bump

Thanks for the info, user. Some of you audiofags are alright.

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poor fag detected

what amp you using

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look powerful like 'party' speakers

Any guide into buying speakers around $500 below?

no, because price has little import on quality.

start by specifying how you want to use the speakers.

theater? stereo? listening 9 feet back on the couch? listening in the other room? critical monitoring for music production?

my setups:

1:

diy 300B tube amp
jensen sigma sg-210s mounted in midget coffins
Rek-O-Kut b-12 turntable with grado and velvet touch tonearms
stanton 680 cart with shibata stylus
Nakamichi BX-300 and BX-125 cassette decks
Pioneer HR-R100 and Dokorder 8 track decks
sony blu ray
moded radioshack DAC
diy 6DJ8 phono preamp
TEAC A4010GSL reel to reel
diy input switcher
Pioneer CLD-V2400 laserdisc
JVC BR-6400U vhs
JVC DLA-RS20 projector

2:

Marantz 2230B
JBL L15 speakers
Technics SL-120mk1 with sl-1200mk2 tonearm, Nagaoka cart
Nakamichi BX-125 cassette deck
some Sanyo 8 track deck

3:

Sony WM-D3 walkman
AKG K141 headphones

4:

Thinkpad R60 w/ C2D upgrade
diy bluetooth speaker with Focal balanced mode radiators and Tang-Band mini sub

>brick wall

Had to move because of that damn door.

Hafler 9500. Highly underrated amp. High slew rate and high current delivery for the 87db sensitive monsters.

Holy...

Excellent choices for a low priced setup.

Time for a DAC and to mod these Fostex / get some better cans. Loving this little amp though. I've been enjoying headphones for the first time really.

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