For how long will Sup Forums keep pretending GNU/Linux is a good operating system?

It really is not. It isn't user friendly, doing anything on Linux is a chore, and let's not even venture into the realm of bugs - which seem to infest all Linux distros.

>m-muh windows shill
Oh hell no. I hate windows 10 with a passion and recognize it as the steaming pile of shit it really is with a camera on top. I'd love it if there was a good, VIABLE, free alternative to it.
But there isn't, so I'm stuck on Win 7 - probably for the next 5 years - or only god knows when will Windows release another decent operating system - probably never.

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Until they try BSD.

Linux is far better than Windows. Anyone who doesn't think so is just a moron.

>Anyone who doesn't think so is just a moron.

Or maybe - just maybe - the person has actually studied operating systems.

Windows is technically superior to Linux on most objective criteria.

For example: there's simply no comparison between the two memory management-wise; Windows implements more modern filesystem technology; Windows has security mitigations; the scheduler on Linux is dogshit compared to the Windows scheduler; the Windows API is more stable and well-designed... I could go on for hours.

>doing anything on Linux is a chore
Except for real work

Yes, but there is a lack of good enterprise grade software for some special applications

Please, do go on ,so we can screen cap it and laugh about it.

>windows has tons of driver issues
>linux just works
It's just as user friendly as any operating system, depending on your distro.

If you don't like crontab why not just replace it?

You can't do that in Windows...

OS X is the only option. You have to afford a Mac to be able to run OS X stupid fucking children. Hackintosh is a bear around for longer than you've been alive you 12 year old pieces of shit. You're not doing yourself any favors by forcing yourself into an OS that has no functionality outside of tuxracing.

Laughter is the argument of the moron.

What does cron have to do with anything?

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>For example: there's simply no comparison between the two memory management-wise; Windows implements more modern filesystem technology;

Memory != storage

Do you think windows is a better storage server than linux?

>linux has no drivers
windows 8 is 99% the same as 7 but faster and has more features
you missed a word somewhere i think

Well crontab is a scheduler and you complaint about that thing. But it seems that you don't have a clue about linux.

>what is a semi-colon?

>modern file system technology
>fragmentation is still a thing

>Do you think windows is a better storage server than linux?

Hands down. Storage Spaces is light years ahead of LVM.

First, it's called cron. Crontab is just one of its configuration files.

Second, it's not a scheduler. It's a job scheduler. Learn the difference. We're talking about operating systems, not userland shit.

>it seems that you don't have a clue about linux
To an illiterate like you it sure does.

No mate laughter is a reaction people who are amused with things they experience in a good way. Like when you post funny stuff like that, go ahead user, keep up the good work.

Oh boy.

>For example: there's simply no comparison between the two memory management-wise
That's such a broad topic, what do you mean specifically? I'll vaguely hint at the many choices for memory management you have with Linux though.

>Windows implements more modern filesystem technology
Oh like btrfs, zfs, reiser, etc? Not like they are still using NTFS for literally everything right?

>Windows has security mitigations
So does every other OS. And if you mean UAC, that's generally agreed to be shitty and full of holes.

>the scheduler on Linux is dogshit compared to the Windows scheduler
Which scheduler on Linux? There are several to choose from depending on your needs.

>the Windows API is more stable and well-designed
You mean win32? Are you serious?

>I could go on for hours.
I know you could, it's quite easy to come up with bullshit.

Why can't someone design something new? You guys are smart. Windows a and Linux are too old

>linux has no drivers
So why does it just werk with everything :^)

>both actively developed
>old

Stay retarded Sup Forums

So witch scheduler you mean by that?

>Windows API superior to POSIX

Call me when Windows is used on 99.9% of the supercomputers in the world, kid.

No research cluster is running windows. Most science workstations use either linux or macos. Those who run windows use NX to connect to head nodes that run on linux.

Windows is relevant for home use only.

Especially canon printers/scanners (((:^)))

I'm willing to bet the supercomputers of the world are using something else, something secret.

Well, ext4 literally still uses linked lists instead of B-trees. It still has no support for deduplication and only very rudimentary cluster support. How can this be even remotely considered an enterprise-grade filesystem?

>Windows is technically superior to Linux on most objective criteria.

That is until you put the ridiculous UI on top of the Windows NT kernel.

It doesn't matter if the NT kernel is technically superior - people keep saying that Dave Cutler stole bits from VMS, but not the good ones, IMO. But let's stipulate, for shits and giggles, that the NT kernel, as it is now, is perfect:

Even the Windows 7 UI is less consistent than KDE4's (We're up to 5.x now). 10 is just a complete clusterfuck. It's the Vermin Supreme of UIs.

But Vermin Supreme is actually funny.

I don't see any advantage over LVM. (except maybe the GUI)

You'd lose that bet, you fucking moron.

>there's simply no comparison between the two memory management-wise
can you elaborate? i'm not too familiar with windows memory management
>Windows implements more modern filesystem technology
it has something remotely as powerful as zfs/btrfs?
>Windows has security mitigations
that's not very specific
>the scheduler on Linux is dogshit compared to the Windows scheduler
CPU or IO? how does it compare with BFS/BFQ, and is there an equivalent in windows for schedtoold?
>the Windows API is more stable and well-designed...
stable as in kept-compatible-for-longer-than-it-probably-should-be, sure, well-designed? that'd be a bit of a stretch, they do things like keep years old bugs around just for the sake of compatibility, though i don't blame microsoft for this, it's what their customers want. linux isn't afraid to kill off old/buggy code in favour of newer, better code, even if it breaks a few things

The largest system I worked on used zfs tho.

Having linux instead of windows in the matter of entertainement is like having a windows phone instead android.

The lack of games on linux is killing it and cut the bullshit, allmost all of you are using your PC's and laptops at least 50% of their usage time to play vydia on them.

>enterprise
shouldn't you be looking at things like zfs or lustre?

Yeah...
- On windows, svchost takes often 100% on a thread core.
- Install updates, restart, TrustedInstaller is still working...
- Antivirus...

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this
games are the only reason i ever have a windows installation anymore, wine can be too much of a pain sometimes

FPBP

>or only god knows when will Windows release another decent operating system - probably never.
Well there will be no more Windows releases, just Windows 10.

>linux dying
im dying

Nobody will ever care about Linux on the desktop. Open source does not depend on "market share" for economic relevance. There is a fundamentally different model going on.

Yes, I use Windows, but I don't do it because it is superior. I do it because of a few games that I enjoy.

The issue is that the large enterprise systems that I've encountered that are based on Windows are consistently clusterfucks and I spend my time staring at progress bars wondering what the fuck is going on versus the Linux enterprise systems that "just work" or when they are broken they express why in useful terms rather than obfuscated error messages that need to be checked against proprietary engineering documentation.

"Error: 0x800b"

thx fgt, I hate you now.

Wake the fuck up.

>You'd lose that bet, you fucking moron.

Heh. I don't even think that there is a single token Windows system that Microsoft paid for in the top 500 anymore. Top500 doesn't even bother to generate a colorful chart anymore, I think.

I've been using Linux for years and years and I've never even bothered with WINE. It is just too easy to have separate drives and pick which to boot from via the BIOS.

I don't even like dual booting on a single drive. It is too fiddly. With VM's being as good as they are. the practice should be officially deprecated. If you aren't going to maintain separate drives, just pick a host machine and use VM's.

I don't know shit about the os, I've been using windows since forever cause it's what's already installed on my computers
but this thread is still funny af

>The lack of games on linux is killing it

is over there ->

That's what this argument always boils down to. "Hurr muh games"

Listen, faggot, some of us have been using and abusing Linux for longer than you've been alive. Because you're clearly

>that one KDE guy
I loved kde4 but I cannot see a single distro that proves kde5 is any good.
You can say gnome/cinnamon/unity or windows 10 UI is trash with retarded design but nothing feels as bad as using kde5. Bugs and layout aside, and those need fixing too.

VM's are noticeably slower.

blog.zorinaq.com/i-contribute-to-the-windows-kernel-we-are-slower-than-other-oper/

"I Contribute to the Windows Kernel. We Are Slower Than Other Operating Systems. Here Is Why."

[...] the gap is worsening. The cause of the problem is social. There's almost none of the improvement for its own sake, for the sake of glory, that you see in the Linux world.
[...]

Look at recent Microsoft releases: we don't fix old features, but accrete new ones. New features help much more at review time than improvements to old ones.

(That's literally the explanation for PowerShell. Many of us wanted to improve cmd.exe, but couldn't.)

More examples:

* We can't touch named pipes. Let's add %INTERNAL_NOTIFICATION_SYSTEM%! And let's make it inconsistent with virtually every other named NT primitive.
* We can't expose %INTERNAL_NOTIFICATION_SYSTEM% to the rest of the world because we don't want to fill out paperwork and we're not losing sales because we only have 1990s-era Win32 APIs available publicly.
* We can't touch DCOM. So we create another %C#_REMOTING_FLAVOR_OF_THE_WEEK%!
* XNA. Need I say more?
* Why would anyone need an archive format that supports files larger than 2GB?
* Let's support symbolic links, but make sure that nobody can use them so we don't get blamed for security vulnerabilities (Great! Now we get to look sage and responsible!)
* Oh god, the NTFS code is a purple opium-fueled Victorian horror novel that uses global recursive locks and SEH for flow control. Let's write ReFs instead. (And hey, let's start by copying and pasting the NTFS source code and removing half the features! Then let's add checksums, because checksums are cool, right, and now with checksums we're just as good as ZFS? Right? And who needs quotas anyway?)
* We just can't be fucked to implement C11 support, and variadic templates were just too hard to implement in a year. (But ohmygosh we turned "^" into a reference-counted pointer operator. Oh, and what's a reference cycle?)

>I cannot see a single distro that proves kde5 is any good.

KDE Neon.

It actually fucking works. Even search, which it seems like everyone screws up.

>muh supercomputers
Yeah, you know what those run too? FORTRAN.

Tell me about how FORTRAN is the best programming language out there.

So what?

We started caring about security because pre-SP3 Windows XP was an existential threat to the business. Our low performance is not an existential threat to the business.

See, component owners are generally openly hostile to outside patches: if you're a dev, accepting an outside patch makes your lead angry (due to the need to maintain this patch and to justify in in shiproom the unplanned design change), makes test angry (because test is on the hook for making sure the change doesn't break anything, and you just made work for them), and PM is angry (due to the schedule implications of code churn). There's just no incentive to accept changes from outside your own team. You can always find a reason to say "no", and you have very little incentive to say "yes".

There's also little incentive to create changes in the first place. On linux-kernel, if you improve the performance of directory traversal by a consistent 5%, you're praised and thanked. Here, if you do that and you're not on the object manager team, then even if you do get your code past the Ob owners and into the tree, your own management doesn't care. Yes, making a massive improvement will get you noticed by senior people and could be a boon for your career, but the improvement has to be very large to attract that kind of attention. Incremental improvements just annoy people and are, at best, neutral for your career. If you're unlucky and you tell your lead about how you improved performance of some other component on the system, he'll just ask you whether you can accelerate your bug glide.

>computers "run" compiled languages
kek

not all programs written for clusters are written in FORTRAN. Quite a few fluid dynamics and n-body simulation codes are written in C++. That said, a well-optimised FORTRAN will outperform any other.

>KDE Neon.
>It actually fucking works.

Not the guy you're replyig to but that is a fucking lie. I installed KDE neon, installed customized my desktop a bit, installed a few things, KWIN crashed within the first 15 minutes. After that it kept crashing every 10.

Fuck KDE 5. it's trash.

This. Supercomputers are mere number crunchers. Bragging about owning the top 500 supercomputer list while no normal person out there would ever even consider running your OS in their PC, and no corporation would ever consider running your OS in their workstations, is like bragging about how you made a great combustion engine that's only used in generators but not in any actual vehicles.

It's like being a celibate priest but bragging about how big your dick is.

Distributed systems are a backbone of any modern computing infrastructure that needs to service customers. These systems run mostly on *NIX type OS's.

>being pedantic

>falling for Pajeet tier advertising.
You discust me turbo autists.

its the sad kde4 guy here and i have to agree.
I tried switching themes on kde neon and after 3-4 changes shit froze and i got a half bright/half dark theme and i had to remove all config files because it was freezing every time i tried to change theme. And yes i was logging out between theme changes.

desu i use arch linux but i really do think OSX is the best operating system

im a web dev and i could give 0 fucks about "freedumbs" and all that. i can do everything that i would do in terminal in OSX and i get the added bonus of software being made to run on OSX.

arch has been great for me from a users perspective, but it does get kind of silly when i need to install some random piece of software and i need to boot into windows to do it..

>It isn't user friendly
MCSE w/ wrist braces confirmed

leave all the heavy lifting to the posix bois

Nope.

Telecom systems run real-time OSes.

About a third of the web runs on Windows.

Most paid-for distributed database instances run Microsoft SQL Server, which runs only on Windows.

Windows Azure is massive and it was even in the TOP500 list at some point.

Computer graphics only happen on Windows because no other operating system has the drivers and/or the software for it.

Sorry for crushing your dreams.

>or only god knows when will Windows release another decent operating system - probably
never.

Assuming you meant Microsoft, here lies your problem: Dependent on another corporation that is more interested in spying and selling your data, than in making products.

> real-time OSes
How can I install these on my personal computers???

Fuck off shill. There is lot of great stuff you can do on Linux distros
Pretend that the difficulty of use and the incomprehensibility of commands inherent in Lunix is actually a badge of honor.
Look at ugly, distorted fonts in your browser and on any other application you might want to run
Reformat and install another distribution. (People have been known to do this continuously for weeks. Hint: they all suck. Stop wasting your time.)
Watch a console display error messages.
Convince yourself that Open Office is "just as good" as Microsoft Office.
Read countless manuals to do the simplest of tasks. And still fail
Say you use Lunix (which will get your ass kicked, even by other Lunix users.)
Think of ways at work to bring up the subject of how you use Lunix, because the penguin thing didn't work.
Fail to realize that, penguin or not, noone gives a fuck about what operating system you use.
Eat KFC chicken around the clock.
Manually edit config files.
Run a virtual instance of Windows so you can play games, while at the same time saying how much you hate Microsoft.
Argue that KDE is better than GNOME.
Argue that GNOME is better than KDE.
Argue that both GNOME and KDE are inferior to your chosen environment.
Develop carpal tunnel from keyboard usage between bouts of excessive self-pleasure borne out of social-retardation.
Depend on easy to use programs like vi.
Try to learn how to do simple tasks in emacs, eventually using notepad to complete the same task.
Keep your virginity.
Be a badass non-conformist.
Never get viruses,ever,like how a virgin never gets STDs.
Graphically chart the shrinkage of your penis over time with bundled, GPL'd software. This is a highly requested feature among lunix users.
Discussing the awesome non-ntfs filesystems you can use with lunix, for example one written by a convicted murderer.
Spend hours of your life compiling bits of code, just to find out it was EPIC FAIL!
pasta-linux, pasta-fud, pasta-rage

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>im a web dev
Cancer

>durr le gorborations are ebul maymay XDDDDDD
Fuck off commie!

> I'm a mad NEET

Job's a job, m8. Get over it.

Not an argument

>MS SQL server
Runs on Linux
>Azure
>Pic relared
Computer graphics
What is Maya, what is Blender, what are Nuke clusters?

Poor Pajeet will have to learn to use another OS.

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>le puerile bald pseudophilosopher quote meme

>Cucks defending a monopoly.
Nothing new here.

>g-guys look, we're running Linux on a Windows VM, we did it, it's the year of Linux finally!
Pathetic.

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>proved wrong
>being this mad
Poor Rajesh is out of control guys.

>I tell him to fuck off 'cause he's a commie
>calls me a librul
>doesn't know what a monopoly is

99.9% of the world use windows, why would i use some autistic trash OS over based windows

fucking niggers

There is nothing wrong with being a virgin you shitlord.

Check your privilege.

Oh then please tell me how being at a dominant position on the desktop market will make Microsoft improve it's product and services and not just jew out everyone from hardware manufacturers to software companies in order to cripple the competition.

>99.9%
>pulling numbers out of his ass
>being a retarded pajeet

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>stds are a good thing
>you get carpal tunnel from a keyboard and not a mouse
good goy

>oh shit, he pointed out how full of shit I am, what do I do?
>quick, appeal to Sup Forums's racism and call him an Indian! that ought to do it!

Don't worry, the free market will fix it.

>using Linux exclusively for 22 years
>see this thread
>laugh at OP for not knowing how to make Linux work for him rather than the other way around

Thank you for the amusement and sensible chuckle

other user here, you need to study your operating systems, read Operating Systems Design and Implementation.

The scheduler in the kernel is what allocates CPU time to processes. The kernel allows a process to run for a window time then stops and allows another to run. It does this rapidly so it appears that your programs feel as if they're all running at the same time.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheduling_(computing)

>proved wrong
>ad hominem
>cries when called out
Just drop it Rajesh, you lost it.
Implying there is free market in the US and Microsoft won't simply lobby the goverment to get benefits and "special treatments".

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>b-but it's not a real free market!

>hey, Reagan, watcha doin'?
>free market capitalism!

>hey, Thatcher, watcha doin'?
>free market capitalism!

>uses ad homina
>whines when I do it back

Consider you're defending a billionaire corporation with terrible business practices that on top mistreats their users.

>Regan (((leftist)))
>Thatcher
You simply can't have a free market with a big goverment, sooner or later it will get corrupted and the free market will be replaced with dominant families, a true oligarchy.

>you simply can't have with X...
You sound just like a gommie.

>Implying goverment corruption is not blatant.

>isn't user friendly
You're one of those people who think Linux doesn't have a GUI and is for hackers on steroids, huh?

you don't need one

if you needed one you'd know