So when the fuck is pic related going to take off? Sup Forums has been promising me for years that it'll be any minute now but it just hasn't happened.
Hardware decoders are more or less here and still coming with 10-bit Intel being promised with Kaby and AMD promising to bring god's gift to technology in the form of Zen. Not like it matters because aparently a fucking g4400 can play 10-bit 4k or at least 1080p just fine through software.
Yet I'm still watching shit in everything BUT this crap. Like a goddamn peasant.
What's the excuse now Sup Forums? Do we need the masses to buy into the 4k meme more? Do we need the gamers to start getting $800 monitors to be paired with their $200 GPUs?
do you have any comparison graphs or shit i want to know the advantage to h264
Anthony Rogers
H264 is good enough. BluRay isn't adopting H265. Only a few anime rippers are using H265 Hell the movie SCENE is still on old ass XVID with only modern movies being ripped to H264
Hardware support is lackluster unless you're running the latest hardware. By support I mean full hardware acceleration so, not software decoding.
But from what I hear it has massive increased encoding time and very little gain over h264. So mist don't use it.
Joshua Moore
Size/Bandwidth at the cost of computational power and memory.
The problem at the moment is also the people doing encodes are shit at it. There's h265 rips that are twice the size but worse than the equivalent h264 versions.
Camden Baker
>a fucking g4400 can play 10-bit 4k or at least 1080p It can't do FHD 10bit much less 4k 10bit.
Ryan Thompson
I'm not into chinktoons, but I download all new movies in HEVC, because you get a watchable quality at under 1GB and my internet is slow.
Easton Walker
>Sup Forums has been promising me for years That would be diaz, noboday in scene want to pick up HEVC. Also reminder he's the one that introduced 10bit, and killed many people in house fires.
Ryder Bailey
Hevc good for low bitrate. For high bitrate, h264 is still winning
Eli Garcia
i do some HEVC encoding
Hunter Green
>Sup Forums has been promising me for years that it'll be any minute now but it just hasn't happened.
Why dont you reencode your x264 downloads and convert it into x265, then upload them it yourself (assuming you downloaded from private trackers in the first place)
Chase Myers
>It will never take off
I am actually seeing a lot more x265 releases in public trackers.
Its already taking off thanks to ease in Transcoding and piracy
Carter Barnes
Explain yourself op, i encode hevc for work, 10 videos a day.
Kayden Martin
>The problem at the moment is also the people doing encodes are shit at it
True that. What's worse is that they're using scene encodes instead of untouched sources.
Nathan Robinson
This
Good thing a lot more independent uploaders are cropping up every year who are not completely autistic with their uploads/releases.
KAT definitely was the gateway for non scene releases getting more popular in public trackers. Helped provide a lot more variety in quality and sizes that otherwise would not have been available
Jack Nelson
>reencode your x264 downloads Wouldn't that result in quality drop?
Matthew Davis
Only if you are shit at it
The only way to get less shit at it is through trial and error
Jeremiah Price
most anime releases are remuxes or transcodes of the raw releases so anyone could grab a remux or the raws and do their own encode from the same material others use
Henry Perry
H265 takes too long to encode and the scene folks always want to be the first one to show up with their rips, so it's low bitrate 264 all the way for them.
Nathan Jenkins
Handbrake does a decent job imo
There are few x265 scene releases but I doubt if these scene groups are associated with the kabal
Joshua Lopez
>H265 takes too long to encode
It's not that big of a difference, around 30% longer.
The reason scene doesn't use it is because they're all about standards, that's why they still used Xvid a few years ago.
Carter Evans
What are the hardware requirements to run this shit? What's the cheapest intel processor capable enough for 1080p 10 bit?
People are freaking out about this like when x264 Hi10p or whatever was going to be a thing. Half a decade later and there's barely anyone using that.
Connor Robinson
Anything Intel based on Skylake has is capable of 10bit decoding via Intel QuickSync, which can be enabled even if you have a dedicated GPU wp.xin.at/archives/3561
Landon Morris
>Sup Forums has been promising me for years that it'll be any minute now but it just hasn't happened.
There is x265 anime, though, user.
William Wright
10bit won't be a thing for a while.
Consumers are too stupid to care about colors and shit. 4K is all that matters.
Jayden Rogers
>Hardware decoders are A meme, i just brute force it with my CPU.
Cameron Jenkins
w-where?
Carson Moore
The usual place.
Juan James
gotcha
Christian Stewart
Hardware decoding on Intel is available only for 8-bit H265 on skylake.
10-bit H265 hardware decoding is only available on a handful of intel processors. I think it's mostly mobile ones. It won't be until Kaby Lake when it will actually be widespread throughout their line up.
Latest GPUs have it though so you can go that route. The problem is really with HTPCs and such
Nolan Howard
Kaby Lake has HEVC Main10 hardware decoding
No reason to buy anything but Kaby Lake, AYYMD has nothing until next year for Main10 hardware decoding
William Jones
>No reason to buy anything but Kaby Lake, AYYMD has nothing until next year for Main10 hardware decoding Newer GPUs have it. Besides, all skylakes can brute force 1080p HEVC Main10.
The only issue is 4k HEVC Main10. That one's a bitch. Pretty much all mainstream processors struggle there with software decoding.
Zachary Richardson
You guys are forgetting that trying to decode it on a PC isn't really all that important. H264 is well supported by all kinds of consumer hardware as was xvid. This is what ensures adoption by people other than random transcoders on p2p. When you see hardware decoding in game consoles, phones, and raspberry pi like devices it will have a better chance.
Grayson Cooper
This is the real problem.
No one in the industry gives a fuck about the PC (mac and linux included) space, as of course the hardware will be powerful enough. Its all about low power mobile and console-like devices.
Xavier Hernandez
Brute force software decoding isn't power efficient & kills battery life
John Long
luks gud tho
Isaiah Hernandez
No it does not
Hardware decoders must match the output of software decoding as in the H.264 and HEVC spec
The outdated meme about hardware decoding being worse than software decoding has long been debunked
Go ahead, software decode 4K 60FPS or even 120FPS HEVC 100Mbps Do you get smooth playback like on Pascal GPU's hardware decoding or Kaby Lake's hardware decoding?
Anyway it looks like HEVC might still be a pain in the ass to encode, taking more than 3X longer than H264 to encode so we need cheaper processors with better performance to encode video at 30+ FPS especially in 1080p. Zen sounds promising, but i dunno.
Another issue is software decoding on phones. Currently you need something like a snapdragon 805 to decode 10-bit 720p HEVC and it uses up battery life quickly. So until hardware decoders for 10-bit HEVC arrive for phones, mobile users are fucked.
Jackson Peterson
That was actually a good thread, I remember trying to start some encoding threads before that one but none of them too off. Too much shitposting from amd/nvidia fucks.
Also the only good thread that tripfag has ever made.
Tyler Reed
Adding to this: the latest x265 encoder is version 2.0 but I don't think much has changed in terms for encoding/decoding efficiency, at least not by much.
Jayden Wood
P2P is a good indicator of mass usage, the legal market is forced to use whatever standards the big companies shove down everyones throat
HEVC will become mainstream simply because people will find content in smaller sizes with relatively less loss in quality
Zachary Cruz
Lol, not until tablets and phones adopt HEVC will it actually take off.
Robert Kelly
P2P is not the masses though, its likely a fraction of a percent in terms of usage. Especially when you factor in Netflix, Amazon, and YouTube.
Isaiah Anderson
I really fucking hate this. The HW decoders exist yet qualcum refuses to put them on phones. Why are they doing this to us? We pay close to a fucking grand for a phone yet we don't get something as simple as a little embedded HEVC HW decoder? Fucking bullshit man.
David Edwards
>3X longer than H264 its probably match same speed with x264 if encoding on haswell cpu because of heavy avx2 optimizations in x265
Samuel Bailey
Got 131 movies in HEVC/x265 10-bit 1080p format (Tigole, excellent encoder), they play on my LG G Flex 2 with hardware decoding using MX Player Pro, no issues for me.
Kinda miss his encodes actually, as soon as KAT died he decided to take a break, hope he'll become active again with some other site if one happens along.
Ayden Hernandez
I think you're a bit off base. P2P can support all kinds of niche formats. This usually comes by way of transcoding scene releases. A good example is what happened when the scene dropped xvid, iptorrents set up scripts to automatically transcode all scene TV releases to xvid then upload them. The shit trickles down to p2p. They're now doing the same with x265 and the download numbers really aren't that great. There's more people downloading xvid still even.
The encode time is a big factor. The scene is all about groups racing to be the first one to upload and pre something, especially on the TV side of things. Hardware support is important to them as well as you can see from the comments from the time when they dropped xvid.
Even without the scene it will take more than what's currently happening for us to see widespread adoption. Hardware decoding is what's truly important and I'm not just talking about your PC either. I can decode 1080p H264 with a shitty $30 android box I imported from China. In 2007 I was watching xvids on a $30 DVD player. That's where the demand for piracy is at, low cost devices.
Benjamin Gonzalez
>its probably match same speed with x264 if encoding on haswell cpu because of heavy avx2 optimizations in x265 Nope, that there is 10-bit HEVC video being encoded so intel processors don't get any shortcuts.
Luis Cox
Considering exclusive content like ones on Netflix or HBO are outnumbered in viewers who pirate them, I would say P2P is relatively more mainstream than other content providers
Camden Ortiz
Hell SnapDildo won't have them for a long time. Qualshit still insists to segregate features between the 4xx 6xx 8xx series lineups.
Like noCA on the 4xx, 2CA on the 6xx and 3CA on the 8xx. Hell they also force the phone manufacturers to license the bands they want to use although the chipset can work with all of them.
Fucking jews and fucking features restricted to only the 8xx housefire CPUs.
Lincoln Jones
They arent free senpai. it would force they to pay a royalty per-chip/device produced. And that shit adds up fast.
Ethan Taylor
Good luck beating AV1 (successor to VP9) + Opus.
Pretty much every major software company (besides Apple) is on board the consortium behind it, CPU/GPU powerhouses like Intel, AMD, ARM and Nvidia, as video streaming providers such as YouTube, Netflix and Amazon, and browser developers such as Google, Mozilla and Microsoft.
Well I did try some encoding and it took like 36h and saved like 1GB on a 3GB h264 that only took like 3h to encode. As long as processing power does not catch up and storage keeps cheap I don't see myself using it.
Dylan Nguyen
(in general) This is absolutely false, who told you that?
The only scenario where this may have been true, is where content wasnt available in a given country (ie, GoT and Canada etc).
Other than that, P2P is no where near as popular as legal means.
hopefully those dumb fucks cant sort out the patent problems and AV1 hits market before HVEC adoption.
Storage density is hitting its physical limit iirc. 12tb hdds being the logical stopping point before NAND becomes cheaper per gig.
Camden Thomas
AV1 is a streaming codec you dumb fuck. Also why would anyone use it when VP9 is already here?
AV1 will just be a meme video codec for personal use, most will start using HEVC.
Dylan Robinson
>I am actually seeing a lot more x265 releases in public trackers.
Does HEVC have any activity outside of piracy?
I mean, having illegal activity be the central use for your format can't exactly be good PR; look what that did for BitTorrent, an awesome legitimate downloading method with a not-so-great reputation due to disproportionate piracy use, unfortunately a lot of people think that crime is the only use BitTorrent has and that includes people who make laws.
Liam Rivera
Well shit on me, just discovered Tigole's back doing UTR stuff, excellent.
Also, if you want a great guide on HEVC/x265 encoding, you can find it here:
>Well I did try some encoding and it took like 36h and saved like 1GB on a 3GB h264 that only took like 3h to encode. As long as processing power does not catch up and storage keeps cheap I don't see myself using it. You obviously have no idea how to encode video.
Replace whatever shitty stock encoder meGUI has with the latest one from:
Then encode it using the fast preset and use a CRF instead of bitrate (28 is default). ALWAYS use the fast preset, the slower ones take more time and only reduce file size by like 5%.
Charles Anderson
>AV1 is a streaming codec
That's why it will win, because streaming is the future of video distribution.
Bentley Gomez
YouTube isn't going to use H.265 anytime soon, so it's not a big concern to me.
Lucas Bennett
>the slower ones take more time and only reduce file size by like 5%.
nope, you're the only one who dont know about encoding
Aiden Ramirez
>nope, you're the only one who dont know about encoding He's right though, anything faster than the "fast" preset is diminishing returns especially at high bitrates. Unless you're trying to beat YIFY and cram movies into 200MB then the fast preset is always the best preset.
Adam Martin
how comes it's memecodec, 1080p, yet so blurry?
Carson Perry
This is why you never choose the bitrate, always use a CRF unless you are a video streaming website.
Colton Gutierrez
it's 720p
not sure why you think i'm not using CRF
Caleb Howard
Probably reencoded from an already highly compressed release. Also, modern anime has tons of blur applied in production so it's "artistic" or some shit
Justin Rogers
>not sure why you think i'm not using CRF The quality looks like ass for 720p HEVC. Use a lower CRF value senpai.
Grayson Kelly
Oh, I see.
> it's 720p that explains it a bit. it's still blurry kinda.
got a point there. so I guess it's both the 720p + muh art.
Nathaniel Reyes
it's only slightly softer than the source CRF is 17
Evan Scott
Dam nigga, your source is shit. Try to find a blu ray mux.
Gabriel Martin
the source was pretty soft, which is why i downscaled it to 720p
here's one that is sharp enough to justify keeping it at 1080p
Nathaniel Hill
Is this 8bit or 10bit?
Logan Brooks
can nobody read? >Pixel Format: yuv420p10
Christopher Cook
noice
Christian Ortiz
hevc is pretty nice
for such a small amount of additional ringing and blurring artifacts, the filesizes are pretty tiny
if i could afford the hdd's to just keep bluray remuxes of everything, i would, but until then, tradeoffs must be made
Benjamin Thompson
The anime community still had not adopted it besides some retarded 100mb rips.
Until that happens it will forever be a meme.
Isaiah Bennett
265 enabled TV's are already around, now the TV industry has to switch to 265 encoded broadcasting so we can finally have full 1080p tv channels. 4k tv is a meme created by manufacturers so they can pump up the sales. 4k TVs were not hard to manufacture and yet they advertise them like a fucking singularity. 4k is shilling unless you do digital painting, data analysis, movie or audio cutting.
Kayden Wood
>So when the fuck is pic related going to take off? Hopefully soon? I'm actually more interested in AV1.
Logan Hughes
What's your CPU temps when playing this?
Daniel Hill
It's so taxing just trying to watch 4K 10BIT H264
Jackson Miller
the second railgun was so shitty, holy hell
Jace Morales
This is not the board for it, but I highly disagree.
Tyler Richardson
only uses ~50% (out of 800%, as i have 8 cores) of my cpu during slow scenes, ~120% when there's lots happening
not sure what purpose finding out temperatures would be to you, but it doesn't put a considerable strain on the cpu
cpu is an FX8320
haven't watched it yet
Gabriel Allen
not him but on i-7 x264 is ~4-8% and x265 is ~12-14%
Jacob Perez
OK. Then try playing at at X2, and report back also what's the VO and what decoder?
Colton Murphy
I'm pretty sure Doki does releases HEVC versions for their BDs. In fact their 1080p release of Bakemono no Ko was only released in HEVC.
Charles Ward
here's at 2x speed
Christopher Morris
Doki are retards that's why
Zachary Perez
>128% Not bad What's the VO on your profile and are you using hwdecoder? Also why use cache if you're playing files from HDD?
hwdec is set to no, not that my HD7850 could decode H.265 (probably, i don't know, if it was decoding on the gpu my cpu usage wouldn't fluctuate based on the video bitrate)
i have cache set because i use mpv also for playing youtube videos and ones streamed over local network shares, there's probably a way to selectively enable cache for different sources, i guess, but why bother, it doesn't affect ram usage that much
Noah Thompson
>xv Windows? And what's with the scale?
>i have cache set because i use mpv also for playing youtube videos [protocol.http] cache=yes cache-default=200000 cache-backbuffer=10000 pause
[protocol.https] cache=yes cache-default=200000 cache-backbuffer=10000 pause Here you go.
Aaron Gonzalez
>FX8320 >HD7850 Must be nice being rich.
Austin Sanchez
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Justin Long
>download 14gb Blu-ray h264 rip >reencode to 4gb h265 Yeah it will be a quality drop, but people would much rather download a 4gb h265 than a 4 gb h264
Aaron Gutierrez
Then at least include a vp9 decoder. Sure it isnt as good as hevc, but its better than h264 and a lot more free.
