It looks like AMD fanboys overhyped another piece of trash yet again

It looks like AMD fanboys overhyped another piece of trash yet again

what now, Sup Forums?

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youtu.be/oQS8s7TOXsE?t=1m25s
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I'll believe it when I see the actual benchmarks performed by an mostly unpartial mostly trusted party.

If your gunna shill Intel at least post the source

Do people still fall for marketing hype?
Just wait for benchmarks.
You need to be over 18 to post here...

>it's ok if intel does it

Y u still exist?
Answer me.

That site is absolute shit. No sources whatsoever.

Intel does not false advertise though.

If Intel says something about one of their products it's probably true.

the source was a wccftech article that pulled a claim out of its ass that it was on par with 6850k

actual AMD demo puts it with 6900k
it is shit

Yeah because they're true, every ad about them beating AMD is true ;)

>yibada
>That Intel processor wasn't identified in the press release, but has been assumed to be the Core i7-6900K Broadwell E.
>The report claims that the 8 core variant of Summit Ridge will have performance equivalent not to the 6900K, but to the 6 core Core i7-6850K.
>That certainly has a different flavor doesn't it? In effect, each Summit Ridge core is only about 75% as fast as a Broadwell E core.

>AMD Summit Ridge Processors With $250-$300 US Pricing To Have Performance Equivalent To Intel’s Core i7-6850K

>$250-300 summit ridge
>75% performance for 50-60% of $500 6850k (sale price)
>75% performance for 42-50% of $600 6850k (regular price)

>overhyped piece of trash

2 shekels have been deposited into your account

If this were true, the rumored $350-$500 launch prices for the 8c models wouldn't hold up.
If Zen falls outside of 85%-95% of Broadwell IPC I'd be surprised.

> will obviously not get quite so close in perf/W though, especially compared to SL/KL

and just for good measure, when it comes out and everyone buys one up resulting in no stock leading to stores jacking up the prices much like they did with the rx 480 we'll get a bunch of threads with,

>$500 summit ridge
>75% performance
>amd BTFO

>actual AMD demo puts it with 6900k

actual amd demo didn't specify what cpu it was paired with, those shitty "journalist" sites you read did that

DELET THIS

AMD nor fanboys have ever claimed that Zen will beat Intel's HEDT
Anyways, Intel's actions speak tons, they're pushing 6 core chips into the mainstream, releasing unlocked i3's, and making 28 core Xeon's
Competition is already on in the entire market Zen covers
>If Zen falls outside of 85%-95% of Broadwell IPC I'd be surprised.
They're at parity IPC wise (as long as you don't go into 256 bit FPU ops), clock wise everything points to a disadvantage

Zen should offer similar ipc to Ivy bridge though, but with DDR4 it should be able to trade blows with skylake and kaby lake. If they go for the value option and stop trying to be a premium brand, they can do very well.

When is Zen coming out?

right now

rumors say January, but who the fuck knows?

nobody really knows where the IPC will fall outside of cherrypicked benchmarks, but most pundits expect it to come closer to Haswell/Broadwell than Sandy Bridge/Ivy Bridge.

Intel is making moves on the possibility that Zen will be good, not with any solid knowledge.
They could easily stick jew prices on all those new products if Zen underperforms.

Around January/February, they will probably make big announcements and demos at CES

The intel CPU is clocked 33% higher.

Here's an idea.
Set low expectations, that way you'll never be disappointed.

OEMs have zen now

i work at dell we have a few systems to be released for Christmas but its more of a stealth launch.

>no actual source
Just desperate short sellers who lost all their money betting on AMD to lose.
Even if Intel is 30% faster per core, AMD is offering 50-100% more cores for the same money.

Cool. My dad works at nintendo. Can we be buddies?

Laptops or desktops?

The i7 Broadwell-E chips are currently on sale ($350/$500 for 6 cores at least), so the perf/$ comparisons are somewhat in flux.

I just want Summit Ridge to actually expose the on-die 10 GbE controllers, which would add a shitton of value and start eating Xeon-D's lunch.

i have never been more happy to have jumped the AMD ship

>anally raped at every price point in the GPU market by Nvidia
>facefucked by Intel at every price point in the CPU market

How is this company still even around? What the hell happened to AMD? Five or six years ago they used to be actual competition to Intel at least with GPUs. Now its just flop after flop.

AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT

can we get some new amada content for zen release? yes?

But the first point is false and the second point isn't true in the OEM market and in the budget market
Why are you blatantly shitposting?

Fuck off.

>what now, Sup Forums?
This
I hope Zen is bretty gud. I'll buy one even though my 4690k is still doing awesome

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Cool contact info?

desktops

no laptops due for another 4-5months at least.

So this 8 core chip is going to be slightly worse than a 5820k? Was hoping to upgrade to 8 cores but I wouldn't have much reason anymore. Maybe the server chips are worth the wait.
Been using my 5820k for over 2 years now, I'm glad AMD buyers will finally be able to buy purchase the level of performance that has been available for years at the same price as It has been for years.

>How is this company still even around?
early 2010's, they mostly got carried by the bitcoin market and the good will of their fans. also by selling their stuff at meager profit margins to remain somewhat competitive. a lot of their efforts in the past 5 years or so were spent on R&D, to prepare for polaris/vega and zen.

lately, huge ass SoC contracts with console manufacturers and chinese hardware vendors have helped them a lot. in addition, polaris is doing extremely well despite nvidia fanboys trying to convince themselves otherwise.

>What the hell happened to AMD?
a whole bunch of shit

in no particular order: getting way too optimistic and building a bunch of fabs (that are now globalfoundries), spending a fortune to buy out ATI, gambling on parallel computing and losing nearly all their x86 market share, selling APUs that nobody wants, and putting out consistently terrible marketing efforts. the company was steered wrong, pure and simple.

of course, there's the corporate sabotaging by intel, but that's relatively minor in comparison.

>at the same price as It has been for years.
you mean half the price

8 core is 350, friendo

Sad!

Many such cases!

as long as the price is half of what intel does they'll be good

8 core, 16 thread. go look at how much the 5960x costs.

if the IPC truly is only 75% of broadwell-e then that's 75% of the perf for a third of the price

I disagree on the marketing bit. Even with the shit hand that they've been given (i.e. the products they have to market ...) they've done a real great job by guerrilla marketing (by which I mean basically lambasting Nvidia and to a lesser extent Intel on twitter and in interviews etc) and stirring up the reddit and the kids on Sup Forums type of crowds. Everyone seems to love an underdog, and especially when they stoke the 3.5GB memes to boot.

The only thing I can see as a benefit is extra pcie lanes. Still unconfirmed if the $350 chip will have 40 lanez or whatever, or if that is only for the $500 part. Totally underwhelming.

That is only as strong as a 6 core. I.e. a 5820k

>they mostly got carried by the bitcoin market
Bitcoin mining was profitable on GPU's only during the 6xxx era, after that ASIC's hit the market and killed it, Litecoin/scrypt mining only lasted the first few months after Hawaii was launched
>also by selling their stuff at meager profit margins to remain somewhat competitive
The 290X was 700 USD at launch

They did mostly scrap Bulldozer on the HEDT and enthusiast market to develop Zen, but the GPU division hasn't stopped launching products (Fury series is right there) and they just launched new excavator APU's in September
And they are competitive with Intel's offerings in the OEM market
>in no particular order: getting way too optimistic and building a bunch of fabs (that are now globalfoundries)
The fabs were doing well before AMD's CEO back then decided to spin them off and name himself CEO of them
>spending a fortune to buy out ATI
Literally the only market where they are competitive and the only reason they have big OEM contracts right now
>gambling on parallel computing and losing
Zambesi/Bulldozer wasn't intended just as a parallel architecture, at first it was intended as a serial and parallel monster while reducing area as 2006 AMD slides showed, there are even ES samples floating that had a much different silicon than Bulldozer
They scrapped it around 2009 since it didn't deliver in reducing area at all, and then everything became a clusterfuck
>selling APUs that nobody wants
APU's have been successful all around, it's the only product where they compete with Intel and they secured them multi year long semi custom massive contracts

...

when will we see Zen powered Anime Processing Units?

>inb4 Amada is scrapped for Zen APU's launch

Not that guy but:

>Bitcoin mining was profitable on GPU's only during the 6xxx era

That's still a fairly long time, and a hell of a lot of chips would've been sold.

>The 290X was 700 USD at launch

Conversely, the amount of time that it was anywhere near 700USD was very short.

>but the GPU division hasn't stopped launching products (Fury series is right there)

Which hasn't been competing well, at least in terms of revenue or even average cost per board.

>and they just launched new excavator APU's in September

Which nobody really actually *wants*, and the remainder that do - Aren't paying enough for them to generate a good profit. The same goes for the OEMs that buy them because they're cheaper than intel's CPUs (which really, are APUs also). That cheapness, or more accurately the customer perception of cheapness when it comes to AMD's APUs, translates to a lower price per chip that the OEM is willing to pay, and thus less profit per chip. The volumes might look big, but compared to the ridiculous write-offs on the massive over-stocks of older APUs they've already lost heaps on, and the R&D costs of making the damn things for the little margin they'd make ... Eh, it's not anywhere near the cash cow it was supposed to be.

>That's still a fairly long time, and a hell of a lot of chips would've been sold.
Bitcoin wasn't popular during the 6xxx series, most people didn't trust it at all
I was around back then, a 6990 would pay itself in 3 days, I didn't buy it because I thought it would die out and be replaced by some other coin
>Conversely, the amount of time that it was anywhere near 700USD was very short.
Only due to the 780Ti launch which was priced quite lower than the 290X, meaning the 290X was competitive with Nvidia's
>Which hasn't been competing well, at least in terms of revenue or even average cost per board.
But it has been competing well in revenue and cost m8
>the R&D costs of making the damn things for the little margin they'd make
They're made on a 5 year old 28nm node, with rehashed Bulldozer which has nearly no improvements and with graphics IP derived from the Radeon division
They're exceptionally cheap to make, just like the Polaris 10 dies

Can someone point me to benchmarks comparing the i7-6850 and 6900?

Why not the 6800?

>i7-6850 and 6900
anandtech.com/show/10337/the-intel-broadwell-e-review-core-i7-6950x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-tested-up-to-10-cores/8

Of course all you fags care about is gaming

Amada was already scrapped awhile ago

that or she has been removed off the internet and only exists in rare Jap merchandise form

Why can't and ever seem to compete with Intel, is Intel just that good?

>entire performance spread less than 1%

>Amada was already scrapped awhile ago
I'M LITERALLY SHAKING
This was the only good thing AMD marketing has done in the last decade wtf I hate MAD now

im really shocked how prevalent are the marketing memes.

It was popular enough that AMD were having supply issues and the prices of the cards were skyrocketing as a result.

Maybe only a few people were into BTC, but they must've been buying 4+ per person. In fact I heard there were some groups that bought dozens for severfarms.

Actually now that I think about it, the shortage continued well into the 7000 series man, what are you talking about? By the time the craze fully ended, the 200 series was almost out.

The point stands that they were only selling it at a *good* margin for a very short period of time, and even then when the 780 Ti came out, the price instantly went to similar, and then quickly fell from there. In other words, the price slid rapidly because it wasn't very competitive at equal pricing, and certainly was nowhere near competitive at its original price.

Lol no?

anandtech.com/show/10613/discrete-desktop-gpu-market-trends-q2-2016-amd-grabs-market-share-but-nvidia-remains-on-top

jonpeddie.com/press-releases/details/add-in-board-market-increased-in-q316-amd-lost-market-share-while-nvidia-ga

AMD have been bleeding market share for ages now - Except in the last year they've been gaining back a bit of what they've lost (this isn't something praiseworthy, it just means that the losses temporarily dipped into 'disastrous' before settling at 'really bad').

And even then in the last quarter they've once again slipped in share - They fell to ~20% market share last year, and even before this quarter where they've started to slip again, they never regained their losses.

But you only need to take a look at the actual revenue charts - Even with less market share, Nvidia was still gaining on AMD. How? The ASP was ridiculously higher than AMD's - In other words, by going with the premium 1070/1080, they were giving loads of low end customers to AMD, only to make a hell of a lot more money by dominating the high end - The advantage is clearly Nvidia's.

Now it's time for Mi hoshi ai.

>They're made on a 5 year old 28nm node, with rehashed Bulldozer which has nearly no improvements and with graphics IP derived from the Radeon division
They're exceptionally cheap to make, just like the Polaris 10 dies

I'm talking about the entire cost from day 1.

There would've been significant TDP challenges to deal with, not to mention the cost of developing updates like Steamroller etc etc, all arches which never ended up in a pure CPU form, which means the R&D cost layed squarely on the APUs. And like I said, even with how cheap they were, they massively overestimated demand and lost many millions on unsold stock. That only happens due to incompetence or a bad product.

Broadwell E = $450 to $1800
Zen = $150 to $500

75% performance for 33% of the price, that sounds like a win to me.

>It was popular enough that AMD were having supply issues and the prices of the cards were skyrocketing as a result.
That was during the 290X days, which died out in months since scrypt ASIC's were launched pretty fast
>Maybe only a few people were into BTC, but they must've been buying 4+ per person. In fact I heard there were some groups that bought dozens for severfarms.
You don't know jack shit at all, the people that actually splurged in 290X bought dozens at a minimum
>Actually now that I think about it, the shortage continued well into the 7000 series man, what are you talking about? By the time the craze fully ended, the 200 series was almost out.
There weren't massive shortages during the 6xxx and 7xxx days, the real shortages were during the 290X launch
By the time the 7950 was launched ASIC's had dominated the market
>The point stands that they were only selling it at a *good* margin for a very short period of time, and even then when the 780 Ti came out, the price instantly went to similar, and then quickly fell from there. In other words, the price slid rapidly because it wasn't very competitive at equal pricing, and certainly was nowhere near competitive at its original price.
The original price was due to literally no competition at it's performance bracket until the 780Ti was launched
>AMD have been bleeding market share for ages now - Except in the last year they've been gaining back a bit of what they've lost (this isn't something praiseworthy, it just means that the losses temporarily dipped into 'disastrous' before settling at 'really bad').
During the Kepler days they were getting marketshare back
>I'm talking about the entire cost from day 1.
Most R&D had already been covered by older releases, they also bear a fraction of R&D cost compared to Intel's since they don't have their own fabs
>There would've been significant TDP challenges to deal with
Most power-related IP is applied as well in the Radeon division

will there be massive clearance of stock of old fx cpus in january then?

>Bitcoin wasn't popular during the 6xxx series, most people didn't trust it at all

I bought a 6950 and launch, the one with the "cut corners" on the PCIE connector, that could be flashed to 6970.

4 months later I was unfortunately out of job, and I made a modest living out of mining for half a year. If I didn't need to cash in every 3-4 weeks, I'd be swimming in dough today (made 4-5 BTC a day back then).

When the ASICs came out, I preordered one for something like $200, it cost $300 when they finally released it, and it was already completely fucking useless by the time they shipped it. Made something like 0.01 BTC a night. Luckily, I managed to sell it for $350 two weeks later, so I made more money off of it that way than actual mining. I feel kind of sad for the poor sap who bought it... and more sad for the people who bought them for $400 and $450 a month later (when the difficulty already quadrupled and they made even less money).

i would imagine, you could prob make a fx 6300 builds for days. cant imagine what you would use them for.

>I bought a 6950 and launch

*at* launch. 2010 december I think? It wasn't any better than the 5850 I had before, but cost twice as much for some reason.

Idiot

anandtech.com/show/10337/the-intel-broadwell-e-review-core-i7-6950x-6900k-6850k-and-6800k-tested-up-to-10-cores/6

im almost 4th world so for my new pc

>4th world

Where do you live then?

On planet deviluke.

>4th world

He probably lives on Apokolips.

poorest part of poorest yuropoor cunt

oh, greece?

something like that just without sea

>actual amd demo didn't specify what cpu it was paired with, those shitty "journalist" sites you read did that
are you fucking retarded

youtu.be/oQS8s7TOXsE?t=1m25s
>On the audience's right, is an Intel Broadwell-E Core i7-6900K CPU

Kek

AMD finally embraced the meme.

TFW: FX 8320 @ 4.93Ghz with H80i GT and RX 470 with core undervolt -40Mv

Setup is dead quiet because the weather has been comfy lately (22-26°c i live in place with an overall 35°c+ temps from 9am to 11pm)

I have chill in my arms, my legs are a bit too warm and my nutsack is at the comfiest of temperatures. Thanks Amada!

Im thinking on removing the H80i and install my old TX3 during the summer to heat my entire 2 floor 4 rooms house.

It doesn't matter what cooler you use, retard.

>H80i is designed to cool 140W+ CPUs.
>Keeps my FX 8320 under 59° with stress test.
>TX3 desinged for 95W chips.
>FX 8320 is 125W + a 1.4Ghz OC and .3V Core bump.

>>It doesn't matter what cooler you use, retard.

Are you even trying?

Post cpumark scores

W8 for me to get home. @Work right now dude.

I dont benchmark tho so you'll have to wait a couple hours. (5Pm i clock at 6PM and drive 30mins to home)

I will use a fucking tag o u know its me.

pic related is an old pic i've posted a few times here.

H80 is loud and is no better than air cooling

Sweet. I don't think I have ever really seen a heavily OC'd 8350 on passmark.

Well since the last update i created custom fan curves and outside BF4, Vegas 14 and CAD the thing is quiet as fuck.

The RX 470 its a bit loud when im doing Vegas 14 renders and im using a Nitro+ (sometimes i regret not going for the MSI one).

I was kinda leaning towards the XFX one. Good to know.

I was talking about heating up a room

>"Zen will shit on the competition"
What did Pajeet mean by this?

At least it'll drive prices down, there's no point buying "enthusiast grade" hardware.

Can we ban retards who post wccftech """""rumors"""""?

>i7 6900k is over $1200 CAD
being a leaf is awful sometimes

This like the first C2D's, 2nd gen will dial it in.

AMD is the moral CPU

FEMALE CEOS ARE A HELL OF A DRUG

WHO /IN AGREEMENT/ HERE

we've known for (literally) months now that zen only performs on par with sandy/ivy bridge, amd has a history of making EXTREMELY exaggerated claims about performance in marketing material (bulldozer, fury x overclockers dream, 480 beating 1070, etc) and fanboys had only themselves to blame for falling for it AGAIN.

zen might be a good sidegrade for people who don't want to be stuck in intel's jew trap of buying a fast i3 or a slow as fuck i5, but otherwise it won't be as good.

>AMD is the moral CPU
Would have agreed if they didin't include fucking hardware botnet in their cpus. They can go bankrupt for all I care.