So the US is introducing a new law that will allow the FBI to hack and search any computer found using a VPN or Tor.
>The newly approved rule change by the U.S. Supreme Court will allow FBI to search and seize any computer around the world, found to be using privacy tools like VPN or Tor. The U.S. Supreme Court on Thursday quietly approved a rule change to Rule No.41, that would allow a federal magistrate judge to issue a search and seizure warrant for any target using anonymity software like Tor to browse the internet.
>Rule 41 will become a law in December if the U.S. Congress doesnt take any legislative action against it. As said in our previous article, the new ruling bestows enormous powers to FBI to be able to search computers remotely—even if the bureau doesn’t know where that computer is located—if a user has anonymity software installed on it.
>The rule changes, which the FBI said were necessary to combat cyber crime, come amid escalating tensions between the intelligence community and technology and privacy advocates, and just a day after the U.S. House of Representatives advanced a bill that would require the government to obtain a probable cause warrant from a judge before seizing data stored with tech companies such as Facebook, Google, and Dropbox.
Christopher Cook
Only criminals need that shit anyways
Leo Baker
How will they do it? Will they make ISPs flag certain IPs that are known to be Tor exit nodes or VPNs? Will they analyze the traffic for Tor/(Open)VPN traffic?
Noah Murphy
All the hacks they used on Tor users already depend on those Tor users being stupid and leaving JS enabled
Jordan Phillips
Can I visit the USA if I run a fast, dedicated Tor node under my real name?
Luke Jenkins
Good. Tor = pedo & drug-user enabling software
What good ever came our of it?
Isaiah Hill
usually only exit nodes attract official attention. When they do a form letter explaining "This is a Tor node, and I am not the person you're after, I don't know who he is, and I don't have any relevant information on the matter" is usually the end of it.
though I am curious why you'd make it easier for trouble to find you by using your real name with it
William Stewart
Snowden leaks Manning leaks LSD distribution, is good for all of humanity
Jason Smith
>though I am curious why you'd make it easier for trouble to find you by using your real name with it I just didn't bother and am running the on my company server
Lincoln Adams
>implying Snowden was a good person >hurr durr let's blow NSA spying way out of proportion and scare the sheeple >now let's hide in Russia and suck off Putin
Matthew Scott
Unfortunately true. There are so little "legitimate" Tor users. I guess that happens to virtually every "privacy-first" project though, it gets co-opted by people who just want it for illegal purposes.
Joshua Ramirez
>LSD distribution, is good for all of humanity DUDE DMT WILL MAKE U ENLIGHTENED , WATCH JOE ROGAN WE LITERALLY LIVEING IN TEH METRIX
Julian Lee
Good, you deserve it.
Jayden Clark
Government doesn't care if you are using a VPN to torrent. Shit sucks, but it will not effect anyone on Sup Forums in any meaningful way.
Dylan James
Psychedelics make it easier to distinguish between culture and reality.
Adrian Edwards
Who cares. If you're not doing anything illegal, why are you worried?
Jason Richardson
> Seizing an encrypted computer for being connected to an encrypted network. Good use of time, imo
Charles Ross
Kys hippie
Connor Gonzalez
>between culture and reality. what the fuck
Wyatt Wilson
I'm very curious how many of you folks are just trolling or shitposting, and how many of you really believe what you say.
If the latter, why?
Dylan Ortiz
Because I think the problem of pedophiles hiding behind Tor is a bigger and more widespread problem than the authorities abusing their power to control us.
Juan Jackson
I'm just shitposting but you guys deserve it. You could've came up with a better solution to combat mass surveillance by now. You have had YEARS to do something about it. And all you could come up with is encryption and putting tape on your webcam? I have no respect for the tech people who complain about this anymore. You lost . might as well get used to it.
John Clark
the ones running the government are actually literal pedophiles
Matthew Cook
Wew. I hope pedos die terrible sad, terrible deaths, as much as the next guy, but this is as near sighted as it gets.
Jaxon Long
More pedophiles and criminals use Tor than morally upright journalists (talk about oxymoron I guess) and government workers attempting to anonymously right wrongs. Given the nature of Tor you can't ONLY catch pedophiles and criminals, you have to get everyone or no one. Given who the majority of Tor users are, it's obvious which choice you ought to make.
Gavin Diaz
I believe every word of this and you all should to. Invest in icy docks. Whenever you go somewhere take your hard drives with you. When the FBI come by to search and seize, it makes for a quick getaway: pull out hard drives and make a run for it.
Colton Edwards
With hacking news going on the tv nowdays it's kinda ok that their intentions are to stop cyber crimes. But to catch a few criminals it sucks it has to ruin the rights of the majority. To avoid this mess the person needs to change their habits a lot.
Sometimes the law needs to be broken. Weed, slavery, Activism
So the US is introducing a new law that will allow the FBI to hack and search any computer found using a VPN or Tor. Just using a VPN or Tor = suspected of a crime and good reason to go after you.
>. You could've came up with a better solution to combat mass surveillance by now. We kinda have. "offline" mesh networks.
>More pedophiles and criminals use Tor than morally upright journalists (talk about oxymoron I guess) and government workers attempting to anonymously right wrongs. Where was this survey?
Austin Thomas
Is there anything a layperson can do to stop this?
Mason Brooks
>Just using a VPN or Tor = suspected of a crime and good reason to go after you. Ain't it the truth, though. Ain't nobody using an identity obscurer to hide they identity unless they doin' something that gonna get theyselves in trouble.
>Where was this survey? Ain't nobody need no survey. The proof in the pudding.
Oliver Garcia
please, for the love of god, Poe's Law is a real thing and when you keep saying shit like this even though you don't mean it, you just wind up giving the proponents of eroding our civil liberties undue attention and support
now that trump's in office there's literally no way to stop it. What's even better is it's only going to get worse from here on out.
James Reyes
I buried a 2.5" backup HDD in the woods Twice a week I go for a walk, once to pick it up, and update it, then to bury it again. I really should use 2 drives in rotation
Liam Adams
Honestly, I'm pretty sad, I saw this a couple of days ago on theverge, and I think it's terrible, sure, it's awesome that they can convict pedos easier, fuck that's awesome, but the problem with them finding them is still a huge issue. If you don't think it is, you're in denial. It's insanely hard to be able to talk to all these different countries, and get their permission to get the original IP from them, hell and they have to do that an insane amount of times. I think they should've came up with a law that say, something like, if you're suspected of this this and this, and if we have the evidence that suggests you did this this and this, then yeah, fuck you, we're searching your shit, otherwise, no I don't think they should. Innocent unti proven guilty right?
Robert Price
>Where was this survey? Visit the Tor-hosted wikis for links, Tor-hosted forums, boards, and image-sharing sites, and you can see for yourself.
Kayden Hall
Well that's a warrant, and the FBI thinks it's too hard to work within the law, so we have this constitution breaking garbage.
Lucas James
>Innocent unti proven guilty right? That's how it should be, but in practice it's guilty until proven innocent. Case in point: my uncle served 25 years until they realised he wasn't a murderer.
Carter Ward
I imagine all people that do very important things with legislation or things of the sort have a magnet by all their devices. Fuck, I keep one in my drawer on the off chance someone was to break in and try to steal hard drives to get things such as bank info and many more important things. I've never had to use it, but it's always good to have one just in case.
Jeremiah Walker
That's actually fucking insane, he got some reperations right? or no?
Robert Ward
>It's insanely hard to be able to talk to all these different countries, and get their permission to get the original IP from them, hell and they have to do that an insane amount of times. The motivation beyond the "license to hack" thing is that even if ISPs and the like are very cooperative, it's impossible for any of the parties to know or figure out the original IP. That's baked into Tor's design. Even if they had a universal warrant to search anyone suspected of being a pedo, they wouldn't be able to figure out who those people are, or where they are.
really what it comes down to is that they'll be able to catch only the pedos that have poor security practices and get themselves bit by government malware somehow.
Christian Richardson
Kys illiterate nigger cuck.
Wyatt Williams
Exactly, which is why I think that this law is really unnecessary, at that point, they could gather a plethora of evidence to get a warrant to search without having to make this in my opinion dumb law.
Austin Davis
You deserve it. For sitting on your ass instead of finding a solution.
Jaxson Collins
It'll probably get worse later on. Trump's wife had given her proposal for less online bullying. It could mean internet IDs for everyone with easy access to your internet history.
Alexander Mitchell
>Ain't nobody using an identity obscurer to hide they identity unless they doin' something that gonna get theyselves in trouble.
People experiment with things they like when they are not being watched. Did your parents not give you any privacy?
Artists who want to express controversial ideas without someone knocking on their door and telling them they're naughty for thinking that.
Also remember where you are; on an anonymous image board.
You're picking one tiny part of the Internet accessed by Tor and formed a general a general opinion of it from that.
James Wright
> "The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
Really made me think
David Evans
That has to be the dumbest shit I've ever heard, TOR isn't just fucking rapists pedos and shit, it's the unindexed web you fucking moron.
Adam Garcia
>FBI >Tor
Ayy the """honeypot""".
Then FBI should host a new librechan. Much easier than fucking around with Tor. Wasted money.
Jackson Collins
your entire reality, be default is based on culture. You grow up and are told how the world works and how to interact with it etc etc.
Since culture is created by people tho, and people are not perfectly rational, you end up with an irrational world with lots of inconsistencies. Distinguishing between culture and reality means seeing the inconsistencies much clearer, knowing that they were created by people, and not to care about them.
LSD or other psychedelics often force this realization as a result of how you think on it. No psychedelics are necessary though, but they help for sure.
Sebastian Morris
Well people bully Barron for being autistic so that's good. Online Bullying needs to stop. Hell ,bullying in general needs to stop .
Lincoln Richardson
He got nothing. My state has no wrongful compensation requirement.
They can do that without Tor. And I'm not anonymous in the eyes of the law; my IP is recorded and anything I say can be traced back to me and used against me in a court of law.
Yes, but the unindexed web is a hugbox for rapists pedos and shit.
David Torres
What makes you think this applies to digital things?
Logan Allen
> Effects Kind of, shitposter
Dylan Martin
Computers are physical objects. The Law stipulates against "unreasonable" searches and seizures. All government searches and seizures are automatically called "reasonable", regardless of evidence, or lack thereof.
Aaron Moore
OK, I'll rephrase:
What makes you think your data belongs to you?
Noah Moore
how do you know that those chemicals are not forcing an illusion? how do you know they are giving you truth and not just a product of messed up chemistry in your brain due to unnatural and forced injection of those chemicals in your brain?
James Davis
>And I'm not anonymous in the eyes of the law; my IP is recorded and anything I say can be traced back to me and used against me in a court of law. And I'm not anonymous in the eyes of the law; my IP is recorded and anything I say can be traced back to me and used against me in a court of law. Why would you want to live in a world where every word you say will at sometime in the future be used against you?
Gabriel Hill
Plus it's not like anyone is walking in to your home, they're slipping in through the hardware backdoors in x86 hardware made within the last decade or so.
But I'm sure Sup Forums didn't forget about that.
Evan Hernandez
Does it even matter? How about finding a solution to combat the NSA rather than cry bitch and moan you're not getting things your way?
Levi Edwards
The fact that we created, transmitted, or viewed it. Of course it doesn't """belong""" to me, faggot. It's government property, just like my body, my house, and my land.
I don't want to, but in this world, it will happen.
Cooper Taylor
>Yes, but the unindexed web is a hugbox for rapists pedos and shit.
So is the catholic church, but we don't make laws saying we can raid the catholic church lol
Henry Myers
LOOOOOOOOL AMERIFATS JUST USE YOUR GUNS AND KILL YOURSELVES YOU FUCKING USELESS PIECES OF SHIT
Xavier Stewart
>How about finding a solution to combat the NSA Because I'd rather not be in jail. You can't circumvent the government. They will beat you to the punch with their agenda, every time, guaranteed.
Brody White
"Properly-implemented strong crypto is one of the few things you can rely on." --Snowden
why do you think there's been such a push to make sure nothing hits the wire in plaintext?
Brandon Sanders
EU FAG HAS BEEN SPIED ON FOR YEARS LUL FIX YOUR TEETH RETARD
Asher Robinson
If it's not mine, why would I be prosecuted?
Owen Evans
only solution is the 2nd amendment
Grayson Flores
Because the Catholics are protected under the secularity laws. Rape and paedophilia are ingrained in their religion. Just like how a vietnamese woman got away with whipping her son under the guise of it being part of her evangelism.
Jose Adams
do have anything USEFUL to bring to the conversation?
Benjamin Ramirez
Your fatalism disgusts me. All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.
Benjamin Davis
>Yes, but the unindexed web is a hugbox for rapists pedos and shit. Sadly it isn't that exciting. :^)
Angel Scott
>All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to try and overthrow it. Fixed that for you. I'm serious - if you try and fuck with the government, they will make sure you are fucked by a black man every day for the rest of your life.
Kevin Evans
Because you have it.
And I'm the government and I have more money and lawyers than you, and the judge works for me.
Carter Parker
Hell, we could say that playgrounds are also places for pedos and rapists, but we don't seize shit because you've visited a playground in your lifetime.
Luis Barnes
This is so true. Make anyone more powerful than you angry and your life will be miserable. Nothing is more powerful than a government
Robert Rogers
Probably the same way they always do it. Have TOR exit nodes and onion child porn sites.
Kayden James
Yeah, we kinda do, if you're a grown man who is a reported filly fiddler.
James Cooper
Because there are a lot of natural psychedelics, lots of substances already existed before the chemical ones did
Henry Rogers
Monitoring...
Eli King
Similar things were said by British loyalists in the mid-1700s, and more recently to civil rights protestors in the middle of the 20th century.
Government is a construction of men and what men can make, men can unmake.
Aiden James
If you're reported that the issue here, this law makes it so you don't have to be reported. If you're reported, fuck please search that guys shit and turn his shit literally upside down I don't give a fuck, BUT HE NEEDS TO BE REPORTED. Not just have TOR.
Hudson Johnson
I knew all my csv software would come in handy one day.
Andrew Foster
[CLAPPING INTENSIFIES]
Easton Peterson
you've literally never had a job with computers involved, have you?
article is full of shit OP if they investigate a bank head or a judge remoting in for work for no reason they will get fucked hard
John Price
HEY GUYS
LOOK
HE'S GOING TO "UNMAKE" THE INTERNET
Tyler Cruz
NSA backdoors all the way down to your hardware
>American companies literally letting the NSA in
Cooper Davis
the microwave and satellite networks used by larger businesses and families are in no way in control or turn-off-able by a government... outside of disabling all the equipment
but then again you go to war with general electric you'll lose that war
Jose Perry
>men can make, men can unmake One can kill a person but one cannot revive him. One can let a wrongfully-convicted person out of jail but one cannot repair the damage done to him whilst he did his unfair time. One can take a girl's virginity but one cannot restore it.
Brandon Phillips
Nothing wrong with that. It is for your safety.
Ayden Lopez
because its the exact opposite of illusion. The whole point is figuring out reality, not trusting culture, not trusting previous experience, only trusting self-evident logic. If it was an illusion caused by LSD then it wouldn't be reachable without it.
Also, there is an illusion LSD does cause, which is the enlightenment experience. Many interpret it differently, some don't think its an illusion at all. Basically it is the raw feeling that you are connected to everything, that you literally are the universe, or god. Personally I saw it as a semi-illusion. Its a failure of the brain to determine the boundary between inside and outside, and so the brain assumes the entire universe is 'inside'. To witness this, forces you to question all sorts of aspects of how you view the world and what logic and rationality really mean. It causes you to question if *everything* is an illusion. For me, this caused me to become much more interested in rationality and logic, in order to better determine what is real and what is illusion.
Josiah Brooks
Quality shitpost, or so I hope
Noah Gomez
I don't know what this is but I want and need it where can I find it?
Matthew Cruz
I think he doxed a bunch of people.
Gabriel Stewart
>Government is a construction of men and what men can make, men can unmake. This. If the plebs in this thread want to continue being plebs, they'll get what they want.
Oliver Carter
It's a csv software, csv is comma seperated values, I think. Basically you input data and it stores it.
Ryder Gonzalez
Donate to the EFF and make a telephone call to your representatives.
Chase Garcia
You can't "unmake" the internet unless you can somehow shut it all down at once, and destroy all the hardware (at the same time), then ALSO destroy the means to replace that hardware...It's not going to fucking happen.
ARPANET was literally made so you couldn't destroy it without the entire country being covered in mushroom clouds.
Adam Long
So they are also allowed to hack into any company that uses VPN software ? Why is there no backlash of major companies ?
Jayden Richardson
No
Joshua Rivera
The government owns the banks, prints the money, has their thumb on every utility, and has a monopoly on violence. They can make GE do whatever they want.
Carson Nguyen
Donate to the EFF and make a telephone call to your representatives. Wouldn't this send warnings to the NSA about you? Maye you won't get that nice government job you wanted if you were to donate and make calls
Jason Gutierrez
You mean the major companies that are on board with PRISM? Those major companies?