Reasons why I refuse to switch to Linux

Don't get me wrong I actually love free software. However, functionality must come first before ideals.

Pretty much all of Linux's problems boil down to the fact that it has substandard programs. Photoshop is better than Gimp. MS office btfo's Open Office. I couldn't find a decent video and audioplayer program anywhere. No, I didn't like mpv, since it has no gui, it's trash.
Or it simply has no programs - in the case of videogaymes.

When these things change I'll be the first to migrate, but until then, I'll stay on Win7.

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Strangely enough, the bear seems to feel rather comfy, despite the awkward position and the precipitation.

cool blog faglord

Is this common for bears or is that an especially athletic bear in that picture?

>Or it simply has no programs - in the case of videogaymes.

Video games are not designed for server systems where a local login is handled pretty much as if it were a remote login.

You're actually correct, shill. But not for the non-issue programs you mentioned. The problems run deeper. And even after getting through the bullshit of our current paradigms we got to deal with the shitty packages most distros come with.
Nice bear, would wrassle with.

vlc is nice for both video and music.

I understand where you're coming from though, but it's a vicious cycle: there aren't that many users on Linux so less gets developed for it, so there is a lack of software, so people don't use Linux, so less software gets made for it, etc. Though aside from games I've never had problems with it. I can do everything I want with openoffice and pinta, but I'm not a graphical designer.

Also games on linux is getting much better. Valve is throwing their weight behind Linux, and a lot of steam games are already playable on Linux without any emulator whatsoever. (though a lot is still missing, I admit)

Though please do use Linux. It's the better system in any way except certain categories of 3rd party software, and the only way they'll develop for Linux is if more people use it.

I wouldn't know. To be honest, I'm also wondering.

plenty of bears can do that but the picture makes it look like the bear has been there a while, or plans to continue to do it, which is kinda uncommon I think

I like animals better than people

Linux isn't free software. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binary_blob

>No, I didn't like mpv, since it has no gui, it's trash.
?

I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you're referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I've recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux. Linux is not an operating system unto itself, but rather another free component of a fully functioning GNU system made useful by the GNU corelibs, shell utilities and vital system components comprising a full OS as defined by POSIX.

Many computer users run a modified version of the GNU system every day, without realizing it. Through a peculiar turn of events, the version of GNU which is widely used today is often called "Linux", and many of its users are not aware that it is basically the GNU system, developed by the GNU Project.

There really is a Linux, and these people are using it, but it is just a part of the system they use. Linux is the kernel: the program in the system that allocates the machine's resources to the other programs that you run. The kernel is an essential part of an operating system, but useless by itself; it can only function in the context of a complete operating system. Linux is normally used in combination with the GNU operating system: the whole system is basically GNU with Linux added, or GNU/Linux. All the so-called "Linux" distributions are really distributions of GNU/Linux.

>Implying Libre office isn't better than MS Office

Also you can play every game on windows in Linux through wine or virtual box.
I don't get why people whine about games because it isn't like they play indie games with no wine support they more than likely play lol or some shit tier game with constant wine testing and support.

>>Implying Libre office isn't better than MS Office
lel

You get a pass on professional software, but as an OS linux is superior in many ways

My reasons are no GUI to do certain things and eGPU doesn't work.

mpv is the best player though, even in Windows.

>Also you can play every game on windows in Linux
>it isn't like they play indie games
You're completely disconnected from reality

>I couldn't find a decent video and audioplayer program anywhere.

I have this problem on both windows and linux.

>However, functionality must come first before ideals.
What a sad would we live in where people give up their freedom for convenience.

>Photoshop is better than Gimp
This is very true. Painfully so. A dead giveaway that you're dealing with a tryhard child is when they suggest that you can just swap the one for the other.

>MS office btfo's Open Office
I've not personally found that to be the case ... but I'm a nerd who spends most of his time on the comandline/in vim.

Is it a lack of specific functionality, or is it an intentional lack of backwards compatibility engineered by M$?

>I couldn't find a decent video and audioplayer program
You didn't look very hard.

>No, I didn't like mpv, since it has no gui, it's trash
O. I. C.

>I'll stay on Win7
Riiiiight.

I meant popular games, and indie games from 5+ years ago. Most new indie games either release using unity, or they are easy to get to work since there are few dependencies.

>they more than likely play lol or some shit tier game

LoL is a sport

>Photoshop is better than Gimp
Rental
>MS office btfo's Open Office
$150 Home and Student
>I couldn't find a decent video and audioplayer program anywhere.
You apparently didn't try very hard.
>No, I didn't like mpv, since it has no gui, it's trash.
SMPlayer can be used as a frontend for mpv
>Or it simply has no programs - in the case of videogaymes.
It does, but I'll accept Windows as being the gamer platform of choice.
>When these things change I'll be the first to migrate, but until then, I'll stay on Win7.
You're going to migrate to Win 10 in 2020.

This could be a matter of habbits too. I swiched around the time Windows98 was released and I can't stand to use a Windows computer.

I know GIMP in and out, but I don't know Photoshop so I prefer GIMP. I do see why someone who knows Photoshop would prefer that. As for which is "better", I can't judge but if I were to guess I'd say Photoshop because it has paid development.

Note that you actually have to pay for Photoshop and MS office. I have been in a situation where I needed to teach Windows users how to make a basic spreadsheet and the solution was to install the Windows version of LibreOffice since they didn't have the MS one.

Video games is still a reason to use Windows, Steam for Linus doesn't exactly have a huge catalog. Though I have the impression worthless NEETs mostly use xbox or phones these days.

Many good points.

Have you tried making a spreadsheet? The only thing it doesn't have is PDF.
Dominated by Koreans, its the archery of video games.

>I meant popular games
Yeah do play Deus Ex: Mankind Divided on your Linux machine
>indie games from 5+ years ago
>from 5+ years ago
>5+ years ago
Stop humiliating yourself

I don't really about the most features on the system because it comes down to the ammount of software available
that's why I use Windows and Android

GIMP suffers from bad UX design more than anything. I've been told Krita is a fairly viable program for drawing.

Run Office in WINE. LibreOffice sucks because it isn't compatible with MS, and MS will never make the "open" standard feasible for anyone to fully implement.

VLC is good enough. There seems to be a disproportionate amount of people on Sup Forums who need a highly configurable, accurate video player to preview their multimedia work so they use mpv (see also: they're fucking autistic so don't listen to their shilling).

Linux has CSGO, League runs fine under WINE. You've knocked out a shitload of people's concern right there.

Linux has DaVinci Resolve, Lightworks, Bitwig, Ardour, Siemens NX, and plenty of other professional software. It seems the entirety of Sup Forums uses Photoshop as their sole source of income, and so Linux will never be viable because "gimp sux and photoshop rulez".

>Have to wait a few weeks to play a game that is going to be released natively on the platform

What a great argument
Also humble bundle started in 2010 so idk what you're talking about.

>Don't get me wrong I actually love free software.
No you don't.

what the fuck is it with Sup Forums and photoshop? how many of you autists are actually using it for something other than creating pepes? jesus christ

The joke went over your head didn't it.

You won't be able to play it you fucking moron because you don't even have drivers for hi-end GPUs. Have you even seen hardware requirements of this game you mong? Enjoy playing in ultra-low, then go brag on Sup Forums that Linux is able to run recent vidya titles.

This is why normal people laugh at you.

windows vine port when?

>People who play new games at the highest are at all normies

At no point did I every way the performance was equal, I just said you could do it. Also I'd rather play the original than play the new one, I don't understand why people care more about looking at it than playing it.

Why the fuck should anyone care about what are you using on your garbage?

I already proved my point, you're retarded. Now go play with your superior Linux gaming platform

>Python scripting

That alone makes it ten times better than VBA for Excel.

Epic blog.

PS is easy, that's why it's better.
Libre Office is ok, fuck paying for MS Office.
mpv is great, you huge faggot. Read the fucking manual.
On audio, they're all bad. Foobar is just too good.
There are videogames, just not every single one. The more you fags switch to Linux, the more games will be ported there, it's as simple as that. The average gaymer just wants immediate self satisfaction, not thinking of anything except playing the new turds being released at $CURRENT_TIME.

you stirred up some spicy salt in here, lol.

>LoL is a
>sport

Calm down. LoL is a video game that is played at a high level, competitively. It's no sport

When did I ever claim it was equal? I was solely addressing that most major titles can be played on Linux. How is that in any way disconnected from reality? Your only example is a game that is shipping soon natively for Linux, but that it will have to run on the shit settings because of drivers.

These threads are my favourite thing on Sup Forums.

Put "why I don't use linux" in the OP and you see thousands of Sup Forumsermin from all around the website crawl to it like cockroaches to mouldy cheese.
And all of them Yes-man eachother thinking it solves a problem, like they somehow formed a group of support for each other.

You can almost feel the tiny slightly salty droplets flowing down their cheeks as they grieve that the operating system they're pretty much forced to use because of their shitty childish hobby is not what gives you the street cred among computer autists on an anonymous desktop posting forum.

Sup Forumsedditors rejoice.

>Photoshop
VM with Win7

>Office Software
>using software that purposely tries to destroy free standards
M$ office works with WINE

>Video player
>not using the best player among all platforms (MPV)
VLC (still is decent, but bloated)

>Audio player
Clementine

>has no programs
>what is the Arch user repository (36647 packages in ADDITION to the offical repos/packages)

>Videogaymes
There are tons of natively supported gaymes, and the list gets bigger every fucking day
steamdb.info/linux/
Also:
>what is a VM with GPU passthrough

Pretty much what's going on ITT
Spillover from Sup Forums blaming their ineptitude with anything other than Windows on the OS.


It's kind of funny seeing so many of these supposedly really "technically adept" types go all apeshit over people using Linux or OSX. My experience is that it's usually just their ego telling them that "No, you can't be bad at something relating to computers, so it has to be something other than you" to avoid having to admit that they only know how to use Windows.


Personally I dumped Windows for OSX around 2007 and after a lot of tinkering with UNIX stuff in OSX all my desktops have since then run Linux (while my laptops run OSX). At this point Windows has to me become "That OS the clueless, kids who want to play games and those who have to use some really obscure tools only available on Windows". Pretty much all the software I run into, even the obscure stuff like AVR Studio, Matlab, Quartus II, etc., run on ether Linux or OSX.

>MS office btfo's Open Office.
Can someone explain to me in what sense this is true? What are you people trying to do with office software that is reaching the limits of what Libreoffice can do?

Most points you make are valid, but
>I need a GUI for a video player

They are probably complaining about the default theming, which is a valid point 2bh.
LO devs need to get their shit together and wake up... It's almost 2016+1

If I take a shit in your soup, it's still soup

Not him, but I think you're trying a bit too hard, and I'm cringing a bit

Linux is poorly coded trash made by a conglomerate of paedophiles and other human traffickers. Its a criminal botnet that essentially uses your computer TO CODE CHILD PORNOGRAPHY.

You should just use Microsoft Windows 10(tm). Or any Windows phone.

There are two reasons i dont switch.

1. My work environment is Windows. Whats the point to switch to Linux if i depend on Sql server and visual studio?
2. Games

>On audio, they're all bad. Foobar is just too good.

Why? Is there a particular reason? None of the Linux-involved developers likes music enough to make it good?

>GPU passthrough
Not OP, but this is a meme.
I passed through a GTX 970, the process took me about five hours, which was annoying enough by itself .The process isn't actually that long, the documentation just sucks. But whatever, I was willing to let that slide, good things come to those who wait and what not.

...But I then experienced maybe a 10-25% frame rate loss across all games, going up as far as a 40-50% drop in Deus Ex Human Revolution. Deus Ex Mankind Divided (the newest game I had at the time) crashed on start up and Left 4 Dead 2 ran at a whole 1 FPS (suggesting to me at least that it wasn't recognizing the passed through GPU and was instead rendering on CPU.

Unless I missed something major GPU passthrough is not any more dependable than WINE.

>No, I didn't like mpv, since it has no gui, it's trash.
I'm real curious what people are doing with their media players, I'm a windows user who used mplayer before and use mpv now, I double click a video file and it plays the video on screen. I can pause it, go back and forth, and adjust the volume, it also handles subtitles automatically. You can drop scripts in a folder to make it act how you want too, I make mine automatically play the next file in a folder when it's done. What are people doing that requires a gui for watching videos?

>he's over 18 and still plays games

If you don't have an external force (integration with colleagues or Windows only dependencies) forcing you to work with Visual Studio, you should stop. It's use of project files instead of some kind of actually portable build script ensures whatever you're building will only ever work on Windows.

Likewise, we have equally good SQL servers on Linux.

>rendering on CPU
You have already given away your level of knowledge...
Your whole post is trash

I can only imagine they can't be bothered to look up the whole four or so keybindings they need.

>No, I didn't like mpv, since it has no gui, it's trash.
Y-you do you realize we have VLC riiiight? What the fuck were you using on Windows?

Libre Office is as good as MS Office, the only issue is that MS is making retards sabotage Libre Office by setting docx by default

also i use MPV in my Windows partition ( also Libre Office) , video players don't need a GUI

Something's wrong then, if there are no problems there's basically unnoticeable performance difference

You're right though, passthrough way overhyped because unless you get lucky with your hardware you end up with issues. It's infinitely more reliable and easier to just dual boot.

>No, I didn't like mpv, since it has no gui, it's trash
this the type of person you share this board with anons, let that sink in for a moment

You could have just asked, here's my level of knowledge:
>I've written an entire OpenGL render engine. Post processing, uniforms, texturing, LODs, lighting, the works (my shadows don't work yet but eh, that's just some weird renderbuffer issue).
>I've written a Vulkan render engine up to the stage where you need to provide uniforms to the shader.
>I've been hired explicitly to write a render engine for an IoT platform.
>I've hand written every single part of the graphics pipeline at one stage or another except the rasterizer.
>I don't have any amazing knowledge of what goes on inside the graphics driver.
>I also don't have any amazing knowledge of how GPUs actually work on a hardware level.

I know a fair bit, but I am blindly assuming that some part of the Windows software stack (or the graphics driver) implements a CPU implementation of DirectX. Software rendering definitely does exist though and it does occur on the CPU and it is slow.

Anyway, this is excellent, if you know more than I do then you can explain to me what I missed and why GPU passthrough doesn't appear to be the promised land everyone claims it is. I'll be waiting.

I work as Data Engineer, its not about what i`d "want" to use - its about what enterprises use. And they use Sharepoint, Sql Server, its reporting tools and Analysis services and etl tools. Why would i switch from Visual studio when its also used for team foundation, as well i program in C# when its needed.

I only use Oracle Linux for .. well, Oracle database. And even that when not connecting remotely i use virtual box for in Win environment.

Linux is a tool - nothing more, nothing less. It is and should be used for specific purposes, to run specific services, servers and software, ligth client etc. However simple reality is - all the real bussinesses use Windows and are tied to it. All the real software you can develop and sell uses Windows.

There is zero real reason to switch to Linux for personal use, other than if you need lightweight internet browser environment - and even that comes with restrictions.

I personally would love to switch to Linux for one reason - i can make a build suite for my personal needs much more lightweight and fast than Windows. However, i cant do my work from it (or with heavy restrictions), and much of convinience features and programs i used in years just arent there.

For example:
Best image viewer hands down, Irfan View - is not available in Linux.
My software to keep notes that i accumulated hundreds of articles/notes/mindmaps over years - KeynoteNF nor the one i am switching atm One Note: do not exist there, neither the proper cloud integration for similar tools.
Autohotkey (and cant overstate convinience of that tool) doesnt work there
etc.

Do you use an AMD or NVIDIA card? My (largely baseless) assumption is that it's something to do with NVIDIA, I had to disable several VM features to get the NVIDIA drivers to stop disabling the GPU (they really really don't like you using their cards for virtualization).

Well that's fine then, I said

>If you don't have an external force (integration with colleagues or Windows only dependencies)

>video players don't need a GUI
Sure they don't, let's display the video as characters in a text console.

>Graphical user interface = A display surface
What the fuck are you smoking?

But 99% of you are actually using Linux - Android. Not counting Apple faggots.

Did you know that free software means you can get perfect functionality? It means that if you need something from your software, you have the freedom to improve it to whatever standard you please.

Yup, NVIDIA. Hiding the KVM hypervisor signature at least lets it work, but I still end up with 10% of my virtual machine cpu being used up by hardware interrupts no matter what I do with a Windows guest. Interestingly though there's no problem with Linux guests, go figure.

Guess it's not that then, I'll give it another go when I get a Vega GPU and see if it's any better.

you went full retard there

>Data Engineer
>Sharepoint
wtf

There is something called Dual-Boot.
Learn to use it.

I have a hard time believing that you can use image manipulation software and word processors at a level high enough to warrant the use of photoshop over gimp or the use of MS word over Libreoffice (yes libreoffice, not crappy openoffice) Writer.
>no decent audio player
deadbeef has all the basic features an audio player should have, and is relatively lightweight, supports many common audio formats, etc.
>no decent video player
>I don't like mpv because no GUI
Yeah I didn't like it at first either, but I got used to using the keyboard shortcuts pretty quickly. Also you can just use VLC.
>muh gaymes
nice subjective opinion

LoL is the new chess chess; surely you need a lot of skill to be good at it, but at the end of the day, you've just wasted a lot of your time to be good at something that has no real world use.

>However, functionality must come first before ideals.

100% agree

but if you find yourself that you are fine running office and photoshop in a virtual machine

and for games to go boot in to dualboot windows..


then its quite usable

mpv is a decent video player and it has gui, now even with playlist latest version.. you mean configuration is not through gui but thats fine, if you cant handle that then you really have no bussiness using linux

theres shitload of music players, you really have no idea

>I'll stay on Win7.
yeah, anyone who is still on win7 has no idea about technology

Here the thing, "linux" programs are made by regular people with the features they want. What you want may not even be considered so either start paying or start contributing in other ways then complaining.

>Is it a lack of specific functionality, or is it an intentional lack of backwards compatibility engineered by M$?
Mainly its try hard linux babies blaming microsoft for everything. Microsoft is shit, we all know that but the constant whining has got to stop or no one is ever going to take you man-babies seriously.

>When these things change I'll be the first to migrate, but until then, I'll stay on Win7.
ok

Your fag coworkers have been shitposting all day. Get your telemarketer friends out of Sup Forums.

what do you mean by GUI in mpv?
Neither does VLC by standards I'm guessing you're thinking of.
You just click the video file desu.
Through terminal you can even create playlist, for example mpv *.mp4. You can also stream youtube vids (mpv youtubelink).
Just edit input.conf and add volume-max = 200 in mpv.conf and you're ready for the best video watching experience.
Also, LibreOffice>M$.
Krita is better than GIMP but I agree that Photoshop is the best image manipulation software.

The problem is, that you think terminal is good. It is good if you still think we're still in the 80's. Today's people will be scared if you tell them to open a terminal window. They need GUIs or they won't be using your program.

Like I said, mpv does the stuff too.
You just click the file and it opens.
Define GUI in video players. Am I thinking the same as you?

Playing controls and seek bar is the minimum and MPV provides them. Also, settings, playlist and properties windows are part of the GUI.

>Am I thinking the same as you?
no you are not tooo brainwashed by stallman

umad?

>obvious bait
Are you even trying anymore?

0/10

I'd switch from gimp to photoshop but photoshop can't draw circles.

>what is wine

Wine isn't the answer to everything. There are still some gaymes that run like shit and others that have unfortunate hiccups. Windows 10 made me switch to Linux and I was hoping more would follow, but that is unfortunately not the case.

>Photoshop is better than Gimp.

You know, the people that actually reach the limits of GIMP + InkScape are few. I think a lot of people just suffer from baby duck syndrome.
I'm not saying PS isn't better in some ways, but unless you are super pro user you won't even reach that differnce.

>MS office btfo's Open Office.

Yes. Forget Open Office. But hy is that even an argument? Libre Office is good enough for every day tasks.

>I couldn't find a decent video and audioplayer program anywhere.

VLC is pretty decent.

>Or it simply has no programs - in the case of videogaymes.

You can emulate everything with "wine". You can also play Linux games.


OK, now it's my turn:

Programmin on Windows is just shit.
Windows console can't into UTF-8, many progamms are not availible or you get conflicts. This DLL stuff is one big pile of shit.

On Linux every shit is either pre-installed or just a few commands to get it. Things work just fine.

>tl; dr: I use both, but Linux is way ahead for every non-childish task

...

Winfag here.

My problems with moving to Linux lie more on the general software support rather than only gaming (but it is still important to me).

Yes, Linux may have plenty of options for, lets say DAWs, but all the good software shit is in either Windows or Mac. Steam Linux support is a good way to bring more people to the Linux side of the neighborhood even if they're the worst demographic out there, but it also gives more reasons to companies to develop branches for those users. I better not talk about video editing/composing.

Freefags will hang me for this of course but the whole reason Linux isn't seen as viable for anything outside programming and databases is because of lack of a well-sized group composed of the common windows-like user that gives money to companies.

Now, I've been wanting to try the passthrough option so I can leave win7 as my mainOS and have some fun with linux at the same time, but at the moment my PC is weak and the process looks long as fuck.

>Photoshop is better than Gimp
Oh yes indeed it blows it and it's mother and grandmother out of the water. I can say the same for some few other Adobe software (like After, which also happens to be utter shit compared to Nuke but whatever).

I find funny that in 3D it isnt the case. I'm not going to say Blender fucks everything else raw but, unlike other software, it has plenty of options for its users so they dont have to buy (as an example) 3dsmax for modeling + Substance Painter for texturing + Zbrush for sculpting.
Cons about blender is that it's a clusterfuck with all the shit it does.

>MS office btfo's Open Office.
Yet MS Office is still unable to have a preset or something that makes it behave like Final Draft for script writing. Pure metaphysical bullshit.

>I couldn't find a decent video and audioplayer program anywhere.
There's plenty actually.

>When these things change I'll be the first to migrate, but until then, I'll stay on Win7.
Good luck with Win10 then.

PC Is for work, consoles are for games.

B-but user, current consoles are underpowered, overpriced PCs.

300 dollars to be able to play all the current games comfy on the couch on the big TV with a controller is a pretty good deal. It costs like 700 to get a PC that can play all the new games and you're pretty much forced to sit uncomfortably on the computer with keyboard and mouse for most of them.

I don't know about you but for me 30fps on consoles is sickening.
50-60fps is a minimum good framerate for my needs.
I agree on being uncomfortable to play on pc but in the age of online play and youtubers most game devs dropped couch play to favor online multiplayer experiences, so it is another reason for me to not bother with a console.

Also, in my case I use plenty of CGI software so if I invest enough in a PC I get the benefit of also being able to play games at decent quality, instead of paying extra for an underpowered machine.

I saw CEOs runing Parallel with Windus for Ms Office and Outlock

If a Ceo can be so ratarded to brag about his cool expensive computer and not even use it properly why couldnt you do the same?