Is water cooling a meme or is it better than standard air cooling

Is water cooling a meme or is it better than standard air cooling

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meme. Can be a good looking meme tho.

Wasn't this exact thread with that picture posted at least last week?

IBM Z-series mainframes use liquid cooling, if it is good enough for them it's good enough for you

Amusingly I have the same res/pump/rad combo, but it's cooling my laser cutter.

Literally just for looks.

Just used first pic on Google images

In that case water cooling gives you much better temps. Modern day water cooling involves using terrible inefficient loops to look cool. See Jays2cents and other ecelebs for examples of looks before performance.

Properly setup a loop will get very good temps. Something like a 6700k would never go above 40c at modest OC of like 4.5ghz. GPUs these days tend to be lock either by voltage or other means so water cooling them brings the temp down but you don't get much if any OC headroom.

It's a meme and in 90% of the case you would be better off using air cooling while also saving money.

Days of loud obnoxious blowers are long gone. With good fans, a decent nvidia card (AMD still blows dicks when it comes to temps and noise sorry) and a proper non-plastic case you can have a dead quiet air cooled pc while also being able to OC it etc. and stay below 70 degrees on GPU. Water cooling is really only for extreme tier enthusiasts that want to OC their cards as far as possible because they play in 4K or run at 1440p/144mhz.

Are EWKB products any good? Jay uses them alot

>I never water cooled anything
EKWB are the best atm. They do force their nickle plating on you though

Yes, but they're also expensive as fuck. Having a whole EWKB setup often means paying as much as the card itself. Not really worth it for those 10 decibels and 4% performance gain if you ask me.

It can have its uses, but most of the time it's barely better than air cooling.

Where do you retards get these numbers?

Water block itself for my 1070 costs over 100 European dollars. Pump is another 100 euro, water block pipes etc. will add another 100. It's literally wiser to just buy another 1070 or a single 1080.

Watercooling has gone up in price over the years because of lack of competition.

You're point?

>build an overpowered PC with a sick-ass loop
>browse the web and occasionally play WoW on it

heh, nothin personnel, kid...

Yes it is indeed a meme 0 benefits and expensive as a whole PC

Watercooled ram is definitely a meme.

My point was pretty much stated in the first post. Water cooling is an overpriced meme that gives no gains:

- Majority of Pascal non-reference air cooled cards are already dead quiet even if you set fans to 50-60% while OCing it so there are no actual gains in noise reduction.

- Pascal cards throttle themselves starting from 50 degrees and going up, you honestly will be lucky if you gain 3-4 fps over the air cooled oc which was greatly illustrated in here:

gamersnexus.net/guides/2441-diy-gtx-1080-hybrid-thermals-100-percent-lower-higher-oc-room

So once again watercooling is a meme that gives you less than 3% performance gain while sometimes costing as much as another gpu that could be ran in SLI.

- Lower temps is the only actual visible difference. However if you don't live in some 4x4 shack while being surrounded by 4 oced cards running at 80 degrees each you won't be able to tell a difference in room temperature between a water cooled gpu and an air cooled one.

So yes, 3 times yes, watercooling is a retarded meme for retarded gaymen crowd. It made some sense when GPUs weren't voltage locked and ocing a watercooled gpu could actually yield some insane results but those days are gone. Wait for Vega I guess?

Heatpipes are far more effective at moving heat than pumped water. As such, for a given fin surface area, an air cooler is likely to perform better than a water. On the other hand, heat pipes are a lot less flexible in every sense of the word. You can cram a lot more fin surface area into a radiator than an air cooler, since it's not constrained to being in the immediate vicinity of whatever it's cooling. A perfect use case for water cooling would be if you needed one or more high-TDP graphics cards to fit in a single slot each. No space for the heatsinks they'd need, but more than enough room for a water block. So water cooling *can* be better than air cooling. But it almost never is, and it's also a pain in the ass. Do it if you want to, but performance isn't a good reason for it.

If you plan to have a 24/7 OC water cooling will provide much better temps. If you're fine with like 80c + temps then water cooling isn't for you.

>meme meme meme meme
Jesus, kid.

>If you plan to have a 24/7 OC water cooling will provide much better temps. If you're fine with like 80c + temps then water cooling isn't for you.

Not an argument. Did you even read my post? First, those cards don't run at 80 degrees unless you have some blower FE garbage or were stupid enough to buy 480 RX. Second - do you actually see any difference in room temperature between a rig that's water cooled and runs at 30 degrees and an air cooled rig that runs at 65 degrees? The answer is no and don't even try to bullshit me saying you do. Unless you hold your feet 3 inches away from your air cooled GPU you won't be able to tell a fucking difference.

A 1080 hovers around 80c stock retard.

Nice attempt throwing an ATI card in. Because a budget card makes no sense then all water cooling makes no sense.

End your life underage.

EKWB has blocks for ssds now

if done for aesthetics, meme

if you need to shift heat a decent distance away from the parts being cooled (eg: multiple gpus stacked close together) then it's the only game in town

water is just a way to move heat around, there's no magic to it

Meme

There are 2 options 1. Liquid nitroxid mono dioxide with some bleach added to mix
2.wind

why water and not mineral oil? corrosion problems?

Water has better heat absorption rate so provided it works properly a water cooling system does better job than an air one in terms of "raw cooling power".
However it introduces issues of its own while not eliminating any (air cooling is still part of every water cooling solution).

So to answer your question directly:
Water cooling is better than air cooling in terms of how well it cools.
Air cooling is better than water cooling in terms of how easy it is to install / maintain.

>tl;dr: Air is fire-and-forget solution sufficient for most, water is power at a cost for those who decide it's worth the effort.

Kind of a meme. It is quiet though, which I like.

There is not any reason for it to be more quiet than wind cooling, because both use fucking wind cooling + water cooling uses more moving parts [pump]

you are either shit at wind-cooling solutions are just shill.

Not that user, but you're jumping to conclusions.

What if you we use water to transfer heat to a larger radiator that is cooled by larger, lesser rpm fans?
Let's ignore pump noise for this argument. That makes it potentially more quieter, no?

You are right regarding that particular user's water cooling, that it is most likely NOT quieter than air, because he's most likely using a commercial preset, but nothing entitles you to go around saying "water cooling is louder because it's air cooling + more".
It *is* air cooling + more, but that *alone* doesn't imply it's louder. There's more variables, like, the actual setup.

>Is -cooling system that based on a substance with good heat capacity- a meme or is it better than -cooling system based on a substance that has an awful heat capacity-?

You tell me faggot

water is a better medium for heat transfer (same reason cars use it - with additives to prevent corrosion)

It's better, but not in ways most people think.

Wc has a higher heat capacity and thus allows for more heat to be dissipated. It won't yield lower temperatures unless you are already exceeding the thermal capacity of your air cooler.

The side effect of that higher head capacity however is lower noise.

Think of it this way, which will yield a lower temperature for your 90w cpu?

>a 140w noctua d143
>a loop 600w 360mm radiator

Well there is good risk of destroying whatever you are going to be cooling. So don't get pissed when you fuck up.

why is this tube so long and indirect?

Because fuck having efficient runs.

Imo the only reason to get water cooling if you dont give a fuck about looks is if you are overclocking if you are not then there is no reason to get water cooling and waste that money when you could just get a regular cooler for cheaper

at least you didnt say " on the cheap" i would have had to cut you from tip to taint

>A 1080 hovers around 80c stock retard.
did you not read op post?
>Did you even read my post? First, those cards don't run at 80 degrees unless you have some blower FE garbage
>blower FE garbage
right there dingus. partner cards with custom coolers don't run at 80c and don't sound like jet engines. my strix is whisper quiet even with the fan at 65%, stays below 70c, usually hovers around 68c, and boosts all on its own to 1.96ghz. considering even the most heavily water cooled 1080 can't break 2-2.1ghz because all pascal cards are voltage locked, water cooling is truly a meme in this regard.

the only time water cooling makes sense now is either on X99 with a hexacore and up haswell-e or broadwell-e because you want to push to 4.4-4.7ghz. or shitty ass skylake and now kaby lake because of the shitty tim between the heat spreader and and want to hit 4.6 - 4.8ghz.

you don't water cool anymore because of silence unless you're THAT FUCKING AUTISTIC over sound where you rage uncontrollably because even the sound of moving air with zero motor noise from a weak ass 800rpm fan makes you want to blow your brains out. or you simply are limited on space due to autism and falling for the small form factor meme.

>144mhz

Both can't go below ambient temperature.

Air cooling is very good today because components consume less watt, BUT it depends on the cards that the different companies make. EVGA for example had a problem with theyr memory modules if I remember correctly with the 10XX series Nvidia cards which made them catch fire.

The only reason I built a custom loop water cooling was because I like building it, I had the money and that I wanted a more silent case.

You can turn down the fan RPM on radiators compared to cooling ribs on a normal air coolers.


TLDR: Not worth it unless you really like building it and dont care for anything else than looks.

watercooling had its uses back in the day but today its with 22nm and 14nm chips its completely useless and creates maintenance problems. i think most of the watercooling companies are still trying to push the meme hard but a conventional copper heatsink works better

>Modern day water cooling involves using terrible inefficient loops to look cool.
It really doesn't fucking matter the difference is probably only a few %

You're fucking stupid

Water cooling is for small form factor desu like mini itx

You just pay a premium for the small form factor

Coil whine on my strix is killing me

>do you actually see any difference in room temperature between a rig that's water cooled and runs at 30 degrees and an air cooled rig that runs at 65 degrees?
That's not how it works. The same heat gets generated regardless. Water-cooling is just better at dissipating it. (Ignoring the negligible change in resistance due to different temperatures.)
Actually, water-cooling probably generates more heat because you have to run a pump, too, and the radiator is bigger than the fans you'd use otherwise.

>There is not any reason for it to be more quiet than wind cooling
More fans at considerably lower speeds or potentially even no fans at all. I had a Cape Cora passive radiator keeping my gaymen desktop cool for a couple years. Loudest thing in the PC was literally the hard drive by a large margin.

As I got some issues with corrosion I went back to air, but my bequiet dark rock 3 isn't as silent as the same rig under water used to be.

>it's cooling my laser cutter
what do you use it for? hobby or work?

>tell a difference in room temperature
Watercooling doesnt change the amount of heat output by the system. It just moves it away faster.

>I had a Cape Cora passive radiator keeping my gaymen desktop cool for a couple years.
How well did it work temps-wise? What were you cooling with it?

Been having some silly ideas recently about going passive with a smaller case and mounting a big external radiator to the side of my desk but I could never find good info on how well it worked