GNU/HURD

Well, it seems a new version of GNU/HURD has been released.

gnu.org/software/hurd/news/2016-12-18-releases.html

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I don't understand but why should I use a microkernel instead of monolithic kernel?

Big who cares

Hurd durd

More like TURD, lmao

>who cares
Stallman cares.

Nah, he agreed that hurd is ded

>gnu.org/software/hurd/news/2016-12-18-releases.html
HOLY SHIT

Well the DUKE NUKEM of the OS WORLD is V. 0.9!!!

>HURD

Why do it take 50 years to develop an OS? Linus made his in a weekend.

As less stuff run in kernel space it's more safe and stable.

Because (((they))) made sure that new programmers don't have any idea how a computer works. Virtually every modern programmer I know thinks that everything below the Java VM is magic.

Hell, most of them don't even know that there is a JVM when they work exclusively with Java.

Because only Stallman is """""working""""" on it, at this point.

7/10, with her personality barely 3/10.

still no USB support?

Nice I'll try some hurd distros once they roll out

Underrated

Debian supports HURD since forever

XDDDDDD

came here to post this

bye~

Don't forget Arch HURD, you illiterate normies

hurd and minix should just merge already

Not maintained since 2013

Is it ready for use outside of a virtual machine?

Yea, well, that's because of you fags who forget to mention it in these threads. So, thank you Debian-cuck

they recently posted a comment on their site, but I think theres only one guy working on it
If it wasnt for debian the project wpuld probably be dead by now
even fsf acknowledges it

not for production use

So anyone here has actually any knowledge on this kernel? Has anyone ever used a microkernel?
What advantages does it have? Other than abstract words like "more secure" and "more modular", what actual capabilities does it have? what can it do?
Anyone?

I was designed as a microkernel because it was considered theoretically better and THE WAY OF THE FUTURE™

Instead it's an over-complex mess that no one could debug which festered for years and everyone just made due with linux.

>Other than abstract words like "more secure" and "more modular", what actual capabilities does it have?
none

It used to look good on paper and attracted research grants like magnet.
Nowadays, no one gives a shit anymore.

It'll make your room 5% to 10% thanks to intense message passing

Arch GNU/Hurd*

Theoretically more stable in some ways, not necessarily more secure though. Nearly everything that runs in a monolithic kernel would be run in the userspace of a microkernel. The kernel gets limited to delegating out resources to processes. More extensive microkernels can even impose limits on what processors can interact with each other so it can "sandbox" processes but that is not necessarily a defining factor.

>Version 0.9
Hurry up dammit, I need this.

underrated post, this sounds like a magnificent idea

Does it mean it isn't just Linux anymore?

This is now a praise thread. All praise our new savior, the HURD!

I don't entirely buy that microkernels are inherently more secure. It's true that there's less code that can be compromised in the kernelspace but all of the major OS components are still there just in userspace. If there's nothing checking the integrity of the OS components then malicious applications can still compromise the majority of the system even without the kernel.

Stability is probably true though, the kernel has less parts that can crash so it makes sense.

Linux actually works better for the GNU project's goals anyway. Kernel drivers in the kernel source tree must be free software. If a dev wants to keep their driver proprietary they have to maintain compatibility on their own.

>the kernel has less parts that can crash
Except all those parts didn't vanish into thin air, they just moved into userspace where they can crash just as much.
The problem isn't where stuff crashes, but WHAT stuff crashes. If it's a critical system component like filesystem server, you're fucked even with a microkernel. Actually, any one of the Hurd servers misbehaving has the capacity of leaving the system in an inconsistent state.
Recovering a running system from inconsistent state is extremely hard to do. UNIX solved this by not attempting at all - you might recall the story about hollering down the hall to reset it every once in a while.

But God forbid you say something bad about microkernels because they are the meme of the year every year for thirty years and running.

Just read the fucking docs on the site goddamn.

That is also true.

Microkernels just seem to be another layer of abstraction. I don't even see how they're any different from a hypervisor. Applications are basically their own OS and when multiple applications need to work together they're just networking or clustering or whatever. The kernel delegates out hardware like a hypervisor does.

great
a few decades late though

I wish Stallman and others did not have to chase the mircokernel time sink and just wrote something like Linux before

They could have done a decent microkernel

using mach for a base was retarded tho

so how do i compile the GNU operating system from scratch

andy prefers BSD stuff

won't happen

>They could have done a decent microkernel
implementation time for a world ready system seems to point to mircrokernels as a failed approach for anything outside a research system

good question, the best question in this tread

Microkernels are old and busted, Exokernels are the newest hottest meme

>Exokernels
botnet meme

Even ReactOS is lightyears ahead of this thing...