Is the j1900 still the best bang for the buck?

Is the j1900 still the best bang for the buck?

Is zen/whateverfuck intel is doing now going to change it in the next months?

Why fuck the new celerons have 50% the perfomance of a 1900 and are more expensive?

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>Using outdated, obsolete J1900

KYS

>J4205

Oh, that is a nice one, I only got the N3150 when I was looking for them and that shit is worse than the j1900

I hope I can find a MSI/asus/gb version of the shit you posted, ashrock is cancer

FUCK ME I KEEP FUCKING UP THE POSTS

Hardware crypto in the more modern chips. Braswell and Bay trail are about the same price too on the chink sites.

Are the chinks getting a new atom ?

Anyways I need sata ports so chink barebones don't work for me

>Is the j1900 still the best bang for the buck?
Never has been

It was $39

x265?

What can you use these for?

if all you want is boring business stuff you can user them as tiny desktops. They won't game or anything but if you just wanna type letters and browse the web they're fine, especially with Linux. But a lot of them are really meant for being little network appliances. Router/firewall type of things. There's a lot with dual NICs. Stuff em into a tiny case (either NUC size or rackmount) and throw pfSense on em, off you go. You can use them for other light-duty server stuff too.

I want mine for centos homeserver/seedbox/remote workstation and storage

I was looking at these back when AMD released the AM1 platform. The J1900 generally sucked because it couldn't handle AES-NI instructions so VPN would have been CPU-intensive. The AM1 APU was pretty much better in every practical way except for being more power hungry and limited to single-channel RAM. I checked out whatever the next iteration of the J-series was afterwards: they added crypto instructions but they lowered clocks so the earlier series were better performers overall.

Now I'm stuck in the perpetual waiting for AMD mode to see if the Zen core makes it to a low-power platform so I can make an all-in-one router/server.

Will be DDR4 so cheap is not an option

That ASRock J4205 board that linked above looks to be retailing for $150-165. Apparently ASRock went with DDR3 for these boards. I'll have a look around for some performance reviews--that price is decent but as noted, anything but ASRock would be preferred.

I'm guessing the Zen cores are gonna take most of 2017 to trickle down to this segment, unless Zen is a horrific flop and AMD has to scramble to find markets for it. I'd really rather buy AMD for this as intel's habit of segmenting every feature into a separate SKU just annoys the hell out of me.

Fuck that I played rocket league on Linux with a J1800, which is the dual core version of the J1900.

With that clocking, gaming would be possible if it had a x16 PCI-E. It's a shame it doesn't.

Apollo and kaby lake should bring full hardware support there. Braswell only has hardware decode for that.

anandtech.com/show/10635/intel-quietly-launches-apollo-lake-soc

Huh. So they dropped the CPU clocks slightly over Braswell but bumped the TDP up by 4W. I guess the iGPU 60MHz bump must have caused that. Or more cynically, perhaps intel intentionally gimped the TDP so OEMs wouldn't buy these for cheap mobile over the shiny Kaby Lake $$$ "upgrade".

That would be very possible. But HD 500 would be quite okay for basic gaming, it would be pretty interesting to check out what kind of games can get 30fps at 720p.

>30fps at 720p.
>gaming
>2017

Why bother with these low power boards if 3D gaming is a major use case?

Depending on your power budget there's the Opteron 4365 EE, 40W, 8 cores, socket 32 which is cheap on eBay.

>OP want a CentOS headless machine
>LE 720P 30FPS GAIMING XDXDXD

socket C32, not 32

Remember to get the one with the "Proven Quality" seal guys

Does anyone have one of these or something similar? I'm curious what temps are like with that dinky heatsink.

They aren't designed for "Overclockerz muh gaymers frame rates". They run hotter then a standard heatsink setup, but you could still leave it at that temperature powered on for YEARS. Not going to hurt it.

>1 usb3
>2 sata
enjoy

I have an old D945GSEJT and stock heatsinks on the CPU (2.5W) and especially chipset (4W?) were getting boiling hot under load until I replaced them. But they were really tiny compared to the heatsink on the OP board, so I think it should be able to handle 10W just fine.

there's an amd am1 equivalent?

I was considering thermal throttling under load rather than longevity.

Yeah I've had problems keeping chipsets cool in the past too. What was your fan setup like, if you had any?

No. Socketed AM1 CPUs are 25W, and everything lower-powered is ancient Brazos shit that was slow even in its prime.

...

I use a J1900 for my home based Plex Server and it'll transcode about 2 1080p streams before it starts shitting itself. Not a bad little guy.

brazos wasn't shit when it came out. it completely surclassed intel ancient atom line

Oh wow that looks fun. Two power supplies?

I had an E-350 ITX setup, it was just as slow as contemporary Atoms like D525. It had a better GPU, but that's like praising a guy for having a 2 inch dick because the other guy is an eunuch.

One for the board, one for the switch plus Wi-Fi access point on the ceiling (the wire going out of the top barrel socket)

Apollo Lake has HEVC Main10 8K hardware decoding and VP9 Profile0 4K hardware decoding

If you fell for the AM1 dead platform meme, you're retarded

I can't seem to find a good board to replace my ASUS AT3IONT-I which uses the N330 Atom + DDR3, has HDMI and everything too.

It's a been serving as a forum/ftp server for over 6 years.

All the new ones seem to either be gimped on the PCIE slot, the sata, or the shitty laptop ram.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_SHA_extensions

Apollo Lake also does encryption much faster than previous generation Atom SoCs

Looks cool, but is that just for a home network?

>HEVC
this is never going to happen

I'd wait a few months for more Apollo/Kaby boards to hit the market. Really you have the choice of the old but beefy bay trails or the newer but more mobile focused braswell chips.

Yeah the only board that would work as a successor to my AT3IONT-I would be the GA-3150N-D2H but they've stopped making them.

Why don't more companies make boards with full size ram and PCI-E and 4 SATA?

Been wanting to get build a FreeNas box along with upgrading my server and I have plenty of left over full size DDR3 dimms but no laptop shit.

These boards are great for something running 24/7, only around 30W max load with all the bells and whistles.

asrock.com/mb/Intel/J3455M/

No one really expected AM1 to stay. The main problem with it was that 25W was too much for a tiny/fanless PC, but too little to have a GPU that wasn't useless (and for office tasks, one could get a 1037U board that did them just as good with less power consumption)

Yes. It's kind of bad practice to put file storage and routing/NAT on the same machine, but I don't want a ton of devices powered on 24/7.

This is SO-Dimm and only two sata, with the parallel and com ports this seems to be more niche controller oriented.

This has full size dimms but only has 2 sata and is M-ATX

What the hell is AsRock thinking?

>Why don't more companies make boards with full size ram and PCI-E and 4 SATA?

Because you need an external controller to have more than 2 SATA on Intel's modern ultra-low-power CPUs, and putting all of that on a tiny board is difficult.

Well the reason for the lack of x16 PCIe is beacuse the chipsets only offer 4 lanes. I've seen boards with an x16 slot wired as x1 (a la ). I assume limited sata ports are the result of similar chipset limitations rather than lazy mobo manufacturers. The laptop ram is probably used to cheap out on VRMs and keep the TDP/power consumption lower.

If you want, you can cut a pcie x1 or x4 slot to fit bigger cards, you'll just get the slot's level of throughput.

So there is no hope that some manufacturer will come out with something like the GA-N3150N-D2H in the future?

There are some microserver/NAS boards like the one I posted, but they are 4 times more expensive and get updated much less frequently.

Probably not on consumer gear, now that Avoton and Rangeley exist.

I think I'm gonna jizz in my pants
This is simply perfect

It would've been perfect if it had single-voltage power supply instead of standard connectors that require either a xbox hueg ATX power supply or PicoPSU bullshit.

It's perfect in the sense that it uses completely standard components that are easily obtainable and replaceable. SFX-PSUs and 1U PSUs exist for people who don't want ATX or PicoPSUs.

What's so bad about PicoPSUs? They use completely standard connectors and if they die you just replace it.

They kept the connectors standard because the PCIE can pull up to 75Ws

>if they die you just replace the whole fucking board

fixed. Good ones are pretty pricey.

I've got the J1900's faster counterpart, the Pentium J2900 and its successor, the Pentium J3700. Both of them run at around 50 degrees under max load with no fans blowing across their heatsink. Putting some airflow in there will drop temperatures by up to 10 degrees.

>I only got the N3150 when I was looking for them and that shit is worse than the j1900
How so? My J3700 doesn't do too bad against the J2900. It's not that much faster, but it's definitely not any worse than the J2900.

I imagine trying to spin up 4 hard drives on that won't go very well.

What's the actual power consumption on these like? Intel gives 10W for more or less the entire line-up that includes processors from 2x2 GHz to 4x2.4 GHz.

They have SoC on motherboard counterparts, the E1-2100, A4-5000, and A6-5200. The A4-5000 is still slightly better than the J2900 and its successors while using less power than the J2900 in most cases despite having a more powerful iGPU. It's clocked lower, so that probably helps, but the Cat cores are severely underrated as CPU designs go. The A6-5200 has too high of a TDP to make any real sense over buying a more powerful AM1 socket counterpart (and I think only BioStar offers A6-5200 motherboards now) and the E1-2100 was just pathetic like their dual-core Celeron counterparts. The A4-5000 was in the sweet spot between the Celeron J1900 and Pentium J2900, but could beat both at a pinch.

I'm pretty sure the N3150 supports higher ram speeds, more sata ports, and more USB than the J1900.
I got the QJ1900M from Asrock and I hate myself for not getting the N3150 instead.

The 4K output support on the N3150 alone is worth it.

It should spin up 4 drives fine, as the PicoPSU itself doesn't do anything particularly intensive (and 12V might just be passed through), but you need a sturdy power brick.

I went for a Kabini-based system.
Components are dirt-cheap, got a board with 4xSATA ports, used the 4x PCI-E slot for a 4xSATA controller, and the mini-PCIe for 2xSATA.

In the end I got a pretty cheap storage server with reasonable speeds and power consumption, and all the hardware plays nice w/ CentOS 7.

As a bonus, I realized I didn't even need a fan on the heatsink, so I only have the case fans for cooling the HDDs.

Might as well go for SFX PSUs by that point.

>A4-5000 is still slightly better than the J2900 and its successors while using less power

Intel's definition of TDP is a little bit fucked, not very reliable in determining power needs.

From their marketing material:
>Thermal Design Power (TDP) should be used for processor thermal solution design targets. TDP is not the maximum power that the processor can dissipate.

do any of you have recommendations for a low-noise PSU in a setup such as this:
ASRock QC5000-ITX AMD FT3 Kabini A4-5000 Quad-Core APU BGA769 (FT3) Mini ITX Motherboard/CPU Combo
2 5400 rpm hdds

the current psu draws like 60 watts max (full load & connected to 1080p display)

SilversStone 300W Gold rated SFX PSU.
Fan doesn't turn until the PSU reaches 131°F (55°C), with your load, it probably means never.

Comes with a SFX to ATX psu adaptor plate.

newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256097&cm_re=SFX-_-17-256-097-_-Product

>using the memebenchmarking site
The A4-5000 is seriously underrated. I've had a Biostar one with my J2900 last year before it died from a lightning strike. They compared favorably with the A4-5000 just edging out by a fraction, but the J3710 and later SoCs never really gotten that much faster than the J2900. I'd say that the A4-5000 is still just as fast as the newer Intel stuff, but here's the kicker: the A4-5000 used less power overall because it didn't need to go into Turbo mode (mainly because it doesn't have one at all) while the J3700 and J2900 did every chance it got.

much appreciated, thank you; i was having trouble finding low noise atx psus for cheap but this works just as well i guess

Well, for heatsink design 10W for the entire line-up is sensible (the lowest-end chip will just stay cool), but it's of little use when I'm trying to get a board that won't overload my existing 25W supply with hard drive and extra LAN adapter included.

picoPSU + laptop power brick

100% silent

N3150 has 4K video decoding while the A4 5000 is a total turd like the E450

>the A4-5000 used less power

here, can I get some actual figures?

Yes, but I didn't use either the A4-5000 or the J2900 and J3700 for watching movies. They had a more important role running my VPN concentrator, my IPS (don't do this if your internet connection is faster than 100Mb/s, I switched to a i3-6100T shortly afterward), my gateway, and my VoIP server.

A4 5000 a shit at decoding 1080p VC-1, though this type of stream is hard to encounter

My grandparents are currently using some ancient dual core Athlon 64 with nForce integrated graphics, it's slow when opening bloated web pages and the fans are getting annoying.
Are any of these memeITX boards a suitable replacement if nothing beyond web browsing and Solitaire is required? Or should I stick with active cooling for more performance?

Kill-a-watt said that my barebones A4-5000 with a single 4GB stick of RAM, a 32GB flash drive, and a 120GB Mushkin ECO2 SSD was using between 40-50 Watts when it was being moderately stressed (maybe about 60% CPU utilization). My J2900 with the same hardware was pulling about 55 Watts consistently with similar loads. It's a small difference, but if you have these things on 24/7/365 like I did, it can add up, especially if you have a UPS and need as much extra uptime as possible during a power outage. I'm not counting my N3700 (I've been calling it a J3700 all this time) because it ha four NICs, which drain about as much power as a second N3700 by themselves.

Nigger, I just said that I didn't use any of my SoC computers for watching movies. That shit doesn't matter to me or a lot of potential users of these sort of low-power motherboards.

>don't do this if your internet connection is faster than 100Mb/s

My ancient single core Atom N270 handles NAT duties at 50 Mbps just fine. Are you doing some bloated filtering or something?

Anything N3150 or newer will be just fine, it'll even let them watch 4K youtube.

I have the J1900 as a HTPC that my Dad also uses for office work at home, he just uses it to browse the web, work on documents, upload them back to his workplace and watch youtube and other streaming services.

Alot of people actually use Atoms for HTPCs and stuff like XBMC or KODI

>A4-5000 with a single 4GB stick of RAM, a 32GB flash drive, and a 120GB Mushkin ECO2 SSD was using between 40-50 Watts

That's a shit ton of power. MB+HDD+SSD+2nd NIC in use just 20W off the 12V line even when stressed. Were you using a standard ATX PSU? Because those tend to drop to like 30% efficiency at very low loads.

What's stopping me from buying one of these instead an Intel Stick if all I'd use it for would be for internet broswing and watch anime? The anime and downloads would be storaged at my main PC.

Also, a friend is selling me one stick for 40€ becuase he has two of them, and I have already used it and it does its work just fine.

I think one reason to buy any of these would be to be able to play ol' games on the couch and maybe minecraft (min specs) when someone comes to my house I guess.

The only reason to buy one of these instead of a compute stick is the harddrive/ram and other expansions, the CPU and IGPU are basically in the same category.

>Were you using a standard ATX PSU?
I used a 250W one pulled from a dead server blade. It's still alive and kicking powering my N3700.
Also, are you 100% positive you're only pulling 20W from the socket? What board is that? For comparison, my A4-5000 was rated at 15W TDP and had two additional chips that were rated at around 7W TDP each.
I was using signature, policy, and anomaly based detection rules using Snort. It's single-thread dependent, which is why I swapped for an i3-6100T.

>if you have a UPS and need as much extra uptime as possible during a power outage

You can try rigging your shit to run directly off UPS's battery - e.g. with a 12V to 19V buck converter and a picoPSU (plus some kind of relay to cut it off when the UPS shuts down due to low battery). Eliminating the pointless DC-AC-DC conversion will give you like +50% uptime.

That's a pretty good idea. But how reliable are those converters? I don't want the whole thing going up in smoke from a faulty, fire-prone connector. My UPS alone costed more than the N3700 board.

pcengines.ch/apu2c4.htm

This was posted last night. Would make a great pfsense box. Pricey tho.

Those are seriously underrated as well. You can install Ubuntu or Debian on it and run it as an IDS, a router, or a single-client SSH server.

i was looking for a cheap build for my brother. it needs to run windows 8 or windows 10, be fluid with multi tab browsing on firefox and play some minecraft at best.

do the new intel apollo lake offerings (mini itx mobo + integrated cpu) would be enough? can the amd am1 platform be also good instead? or even the old bay trail counterparts. Initially I was thinking of buying a cheap lga 1151 mini itx + a new dual core pentium, but jesus, they are fucking expensive here in europe (mobo + cpu would costs around 140 alone), no way im gonna give intel so much money for so little. amd, except for the am1 platform, was a no go because they don't ship their bigger athlons on mini itx, blut their athlons are also old.

The config that's gonna be replace is a lga775 with a dual core pentium e6300 + 4gb ddr2 ram coupled with a cheap 9000 series nvidia card

lastly, should i wait for zen?

Higher allowed power consumption makes quite a bit of difference.

Also, these boards do not have an itty-bitty 5000rpm fan that will fail in a year.

price, and a messy laptop type power brick negating any size advantage.

>how reliable are those converters?

So far all DC-DC converters I ordered from China were quite decent (unlike, say, LED bulbs or charging cables). But just in case, I wash the PCBs to get rid of solder residue and check the mounting of any heatsinks.

>2016 is ending
>j1900

what's gonna be perfect is a cheap amd zen apu plus hbm

just think of all the space saved on the mobo

link some decent cheap converters please?
All mine failed.

Grab a cheap 775 C2Q or do the 771 mod and get an Xeon, those are dirt cheap, will give you an instant boost and give APUs a run for their money.

Spend money saved on a better GPU and you'll be good for while.

These power bricks are still smaller than SFX PSUs.

12V picoPSUs will also happily work with small internal AC-DC power supplies, like this one.