Does the fact that your genes and environment heavily if not completely determine who you are and your capabilities ever bother you?
You will never be able to accomplish tasks that others can simply because they got lucky genetically.
When i find myself struggling to do things i know others can do better than me with minimal effort because of their genes i stop bothering.
How have you learned to deal with these facts?
I forget about it but it always creeps back when i try to learn a skill.
It's annoying when i "can't" do something i want because i lack talent but that's about it.
A lot of the time people enjoy the things that they are good at because they are good at it and it's satisfying. Instead of thinking about how you wish you were good at something try and focus on the things you are good at.
That being said if you're good at something for which there's no request i.e. i'm good at knitting then you'll need to man up and do something that can bring in money regardless of whether or not it's something you have talent for.
Outside of the very top hard work can win against talent and that's something that you'll need to accept sooner or later. Instead of focusing on how something is easier for other people because they are talented try to achieve your own goals.
If anything this motivates to work even harder to surpass those guys.
I have no simpathy for faggots that complain all the time about their flaws
stop making excuses
working hard helps you more than being lazy talent
>>When i find myself struggling to do things i know others can do better than me with minimal effort because of their genes i stop bothering.
You only believe it involves minimal effort. They all work their asses off. Nobody can do anything without a lot of effort.
For example physics that normal people learn in one semester at university. Sir Issac Newton also learned that in 6 months and most people probably thought "he probably learned it without doing any work because he is a genious"
But, no... It involved thousands of hours and tens of thousands experiments, measurements, analysis and everything just to invent stuff like calculus and the theory of natural forces. Stuff a normal dumb fuck can learn in a year.
Anything worthwhile involves a lot of effort. Of course you are dumb because you think people get that without effort so you MIGHT be too dumb to get anywhere, but if you put effort into it then even a dumb fuck like you could likely do more than most people.
This is what I hate about liberals. They use that stupid example of throwing paper balls at a trash can. Just because it is harder to make it from the back of the room means you should give up?
I simply don't care. I'm having fun through doing things i like to do, sometimes i suck compared to other people, sometimes i don't.
That being said, i'm envious towards those full-blown math nerds. I'm finishing my master degree in computer things and i hate to see people who 'think' better than i do, and yuppie math nerds surely do. I guess it's similar to "stop bothering because someone has better genes".
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>waah genetics
>waah someone had better start
you probably just need an excuse to drop something when you dislike it. some legless retards often start running and then they're winning their legless club competitions. you don't really need to fight it, just accept it and move on.
>I could beat usain bolt in the 100 m
if you exist, you're pretty much a genetic winner. hell, look at trump.
>i need to be number one or it's all for nothing
>If anything this motivates to work even harder to surpass those guys.
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Malcolm Gladwell, the author of "Outliers", making a similar point
So what if you couldn't really do it in the end?
The effort alone pays for itself if your will us strong enough?
I think that's a good way to determine if someone has true autism, they can't handle not being nº1
I wish I was a girl. Other than that, the only thing I don't have and others get for free just for being born is money.
You can always overcome through will.
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>“I always thought von Neumann’s brain indicated that he was from another species, an evolution beyond man.”
>Today, we need geniuses like von Neumann and Turing more than ever before. That’s because we may already be running into the genetic limits of intelligence. In a 1983 interview, Noam Chomsky was asked whether genetic barriers to further progress have become obvious in some areas of art and science. He answered:
>You could give an argument that something like this has happened in quite a few fields ... I think it has happened in physics and mathematics, for example ... In talking to students at MIT, I notice that many of the very brightest ones, who would have gone into physics twenty years ago, are now going into biology. I think part of the reason for this shift is that there are discoveries to be made in biology that are within the range of an intelligent human being. This may not be true in other areas.
The low hanging fruit in every field has been picked. To make any significant contributions to human knowledge now requires so much intelligence that it actually becomes a *disability* to be that intelligent (John Forbes Nash Jr., Ted Kaczynski), etc.) like overclocking a processor way beyond its specified limits and voiding the warranty.
How is this in anyway related to "lbrllrs"? In fact, it is ""eebool lirbrbls" that will generally tell you that it is not just genes and talent but hard work that makes the master.
There really is no such thing as talent every time you see someone good at something its because they actually put in the work to get where they are nobody just wakes up one day and becomes amazing at what they want to do it takes a lot of dedication to become good at anything
this. Genes and 'talent' are no different than SJW bullshit about 'starting on a different step' (in regards to poverty etc). Yes theres some truth to it that genetic and environmental factors make things easier or more difficult. But only by so much. If you actually have the will to do something, if you practice it, you'll be good at it. You might need to practice a bit more than someone who has the money to pay for better shit to learn and practice with or who has the genes that help with that skill. But that only matters for the start. The difference between failures, typical 'successful' people, and very successful people, is that failures give up too early no matter what and just bitch about their life, typical successful people find what they're naturally talented at, and practice that because its easy. Very successful people get good at whatever they need to in order to accomplish their goals, no matter what, genes, money, location, they figure out a way to push through anyways instead of being a lil bitch.
Yeah try posting on /fit/ with this shit so they can tear you apart.
I will give you environment, but even with that, given enough time you need to learn where you are and get out of it.
Genetics? only matters when you're trying to have sex, there might be a limit on how attractive you can possibly look. Otherwise there is no "intelligence" gene, you just never tried. If you think this matters for business, you can make deals and get clients over the phone and they can mistake your gender and still work with you.
You are literally one step away from fat acceptance, who denies physics exists so they can say dieting and exercise doesn't work.
Unless you were born with some sort of incredibly rare disease or were born handicapped, there was never anything keeping you from becoming intelligent.
Also, as others have mentioned in this thread, you always have to watch out for the guy second or third in command. The one first up on the chain already is satisfied and has given up. Next down the chain, knowing that there is an opportunity for them, is where you see the drive explode and then they catapult the entire thing upside down.
>Does the fact that your genes and environment heavily if not completely determine who you are and your capabilities ever bother you?
With mature technology it is possible to change genes, even in an adult person. It has been tried already in a limited form.
It's a stupid and irrational thing to get hung up on, just like most other thoughts and fears of this kind.
The truth of why it's dumb is everywhere on earth. Since if people didn't know better than to shrug these thoughts off, we would have no more than a one person for each craft/task in the World...
>tfw the only doctor in the world is not in your city, let alone your country.
>tfw the doctor could reach to save your life if he got on a plane, but can't since the best and only pilot in the world is on vacation, sick or died recently, and nobody could be arsed to train to become a pilot while he was still alive
>The low hanging fruit in every field has been picked. To make any significant contributions to human knowledge now requires so much intelligence that it actually becomes a *disability* to be that intelligent
Machine Learning is a major development of this century. XX century had airplanes, antibiotics, DNA, nuclear. XXI century has machine learning.
With ML it is finally possible to make machines work instead of us. We just make the machines and herd them like sheep, while they compute novel solutions to our problems. For example, see eurekalert.org
>Since if people didn't know better than to shrug these thoughts off
I meant if people didn't know better than to get hung up on thoughts like OP's...
Environment makes a much bigger impact than genes. I moved back in with my parents at age 26 because my apartment got bed bugs. Biggest mistake I ever made. It's a hole that is very hard to dig out of once you realize you're in it.
>*climb out of
machine learning was invented last century and it's nowhere near as fucking useful as you or any other pop-sci AI memers think it is
I'm not a popsci memer, I'm ML practitioner.
It is super-useful.
>machine learning was invented last century
This one is true, one can trace the roots back to 1960. But it really blossomed after 2000.
>I'm ML practitioner.
you probably just jumped on the bandwagon after the google bot beat somebody at Go and think tinkering with neural networks in Python makes you a 'practitioner'
that's just your misinformed opinion. i'm very tired of people opining this shit over and over
>A study, "The cerebral cortex of Albert Einstein: a description and preliminary analysis of unpublished photographs",[11] was published on November 16, 2012, in the journal Brain. Dean Falk, an evolutionary anthropologist at Florida State University, led the study - which analysed 14 recently discovered photographs - and described the brain: "Although the overall size and asymmetrical shape of Einstein's brain were normal, the prefrontal, somatosensory, primary motor, parietal, temporal and occipital cortices were extraordinary."[20] There was a fourth ridge (apart from the three normal people have) in Einstein's mid-frontal lobe involved in making plans and working memory. The parietal lobes were markedly asymmetrical and a feature in Einstein's primary motor cortex may have been associated with his musical ability.[13]
the truth is evident for all to see if you want to confront the reality of human achievement. genetics determines how high the bar is. environment determines how close to the bar you can get.
holy shit this is a horrible fucking thread
GOD FUCK
I assume OP does not want to be the next Einstein and has more modest goals like not being a NEET.
And your confirmation bias is showing. How many great men didn't have usual brains?
i don't have confirmation bias. i pointed out that an average person will not have the genetic/biological abnormalities needed to become a towering figure in human history. such a thing should be foregone conclusion. but the western world has a meme of HARDWORK TRIUMPHS OVER ALL. it clearly doesn't. this thread is full of doers. that's fucking great. but it's not enough.
>How many great men didn't have usual brains?
great men? how do you define great? you're asking me to provide biological dissection evidence of "great men". how many did you want me to kill to establish a baseline? einstein's brain might be most studied "famous" brain ever. it stands to reason that if biological differences exist, and they do, they would be apparent. some men are just lucky. read macolm gladwell's outliers for a great look at how the perfect confluence of environment enabled some men like bill gates to succeed.
it's all good and fun to argue with user but go and read a book(s) if you want to actually learn anything of value.