Oracle officially kills Solaris

It's dead.

Most engineers working on Solaris have been handed layoff notices.

The few remaining engineers will only work on patches requested by government customers with long-term support lock-in.

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Good

:(

Was this the last proprietary UNIX besides MacOS?

Nice source there bub. I guess I'll take you at your word. Pffft.

at least give us an article to shit on

shit's been pretty much dead forever, I enjoyed using it on my own systems but it never really felt like something that brought enough to the table to justify paying out the ass for it and the hardware to run it on

AIX and HP-UX are still very alive.

>AIX

Not even IBM uses that shit.

No they are not, they are as dead as Solaris basically.

Kevin on suicide watch
>pic related when Kevin hears the news

MAKE SOLARIS GPL
MAKE SOLARIS GPL
MAKE SOLARIS GPL

DO IT ORACLE!!!!

There's illumos, which is based on the last version of OpenSolaris.

I hope HPE releases the source for IRIX now that they've bought SGI.

I don't see that happening. Oracle doesn't care about anything except money. There's no money to be made by making Solaris GPL

AIX is still kicking, but HP-UX is completely and utterly dead.

There could still others that are used internally, probably based on ancient versions of BSD or SysV

And illumios is dead too

...

Source?

Open Indiana

Never ever gonna happen

OpenIndiana is an illumos-distro.

>oracle
>gpl
that will never happen

>be RMS
>don't like passwords on UNIX systems
>write shitty Unix clone
>don't even finish it, some mongol picks it up
>some years pass
>tfw my shitty Unix clone is now the last relevant Unix operating system left

Does this mean ZFS is gone forever?

Did anyone actually use Solaris? What for?

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>BSD
>Relevant
Pick one

And yet again a load of bull.

The Itanium supporting versions get frequent updates, so how the hell it's dead?
User facing elements have not changed in 25 years in hp-ux, but it sure as hell receives updates and is supported.

Its not dead tho. All the cool kids are running it.

HP-UX is getting dragged down with Itanic.
Kittson never.

And even the last RISC -versions are still supported and will be for at least a decade.

that good, they finally killed the cancer, its so fuckin bloated and slow, and its constantly doing shit in your PC like windows, tried it couple of days ago. If you want FLOSS alternative, go with OpenIndiana.

>officially
>no source

good work OP, quality thread

no, zfs is open-source, not everything but major part is open, even if its really going to be dead FreeBSD is going to continue development.

>Calling Torvalds a mongol
Linus is the kind of developer the computing world needs. He cares only about the quality of his software, and does a hell of a job.
He is everything Wozniak and Gates were and more.

Not surprising, Solaris 11 shit and Oracle is still running all of Sun's assets into the ground.

The legal teams of course remain.

maybe next year java will die?

Does OpenIndiana support ultraSPARC?

Solus =/= Solaris

Good.
One less proprietary shit. Microsoft comes next.

[citation: my ass]
There's more to the datacenter than outward-facing web servers. AIX is pretty prominent in the financial industry especially usually running on database hosts, and it's easily the biggest of the SysVs.
HP-UX is still actively developed and there doesn't seem to be a sign of that stopping any time soon. As long as that holds true it's no more "dead" than Linux on the desktop, just because your favorite clickbait jews don't give a shit about it doesn't mean much.

Seems like it, but who knows, maybe they'll finally move it over to x64 like VMS since the Integrity seems to be swapping over slowly.

OI is even shittier than vanilla Solaris, atrociously documented and doesn't even run on SPARC.

This. Torvalds is an ass, but he's right with pretty much all of the stuff he talks about.

same as any other commercial unix nowadays, big-ass mission critical systems with six-figure price tags (before licenses) and multi-year uptimes with no tolerance for failure or security breaches, oracle in particular has been

during the workstation era they were also frequent sites in semiconductor plants as controllers, probably also development systems too, among a whole bunch of other uses because Solaris had a decently large desktop software base (that's mostly lost to the times, unfortunately)

I've also noticed that the ESA uses a lot of sun rays hanging off of remote servers in their control rooms and the JPL too, though they also have a lot of XP/7 and probably some Linux thrown in the mix as well

Install Solaris

>oracle in particular has been
I hate quick reply
oracle in particular has been really pushing SPARC platforms towards a more security-focused role with hardware crypto acceleration and improved memory protection

>doesn't even run on SPARC
But illumos does, this is no different than most Linux distros not running on SPARC.

OI is community supported, and who the fuck will use System V Release 4 UNIX on their desktops? I doesn't even have fuckin drivers. OI is is enterprise-class UNIX for mission critical shit and servers. ONLY for that, currently though.

>Gates
>caring about quality of code

Choose one and only one.

It's touted as one of the main successors to OpenSolaris and it doesn't even run on the platform Solaris was built to run on. Nobody wants to run that shit on x86. Trust me, because I'm one of the few retards that does.

>OI is community supported
So?
>and who the fuck will use System V Release 4 UNIX on their desktops?
What does that even have to do with anything?

>OI is is enterprise-class UNIX for mission critical shit and servers.
Christ almighty, nobody is running that unstable piece of poorly supported shit on anything "enterprise-class", let alone "mission critical shit and servers" when mainline Solaris, GNU/Linux and even BSD exist, it's a toy at this point and will probably stay that way for a long time. Get real and stop regurgitating meaningless marketing brochure one-liners from pretend sysadmins in the home server general.

RIP last not cuck licensed Unix

the OS on our financial core is AIX

I hate it

RAWR

what's wrong with it? I always hear people bitching about AIX but everything I read about it seems alright and all the shillposts on leddit seem believable

He's Finnish.

you're saying this in a thread about solaris

>just GPL it ;)
This annoys the shit out of me every time I hear it, because it seemingly almost always comes out of people who know dick about the platform and just think opening the source is going to magically solve all of its woes.

Nobody's going to waste the money, time and lawyers figuring out how to open that shit up, even if they did, it's bound to be so poorly documented that you'd hardly see any new development on the system itself besides a few security holes, most of the IRIX hobbyist community have either just hacked up their own patches for fucky shit or totally replaced it altogether, I think Nekoshitters are right in saying the GPL is mostly a pipe dream would accomplish fuck all anyway.

Are they even a tech company anymore?
can't wait till they kill of Java

I realize it's like 1/18th the size, but The Open Group did free CDE and Motif a few years ago. It's not unprecedented for ancient software to get opened up.

I've got a machine running AIX 4.3.3 sitting right next to me right now. Aside from 4.3.3 being older than Jesus, it's not too bad. Not enough RAM in it to run X though, lol

>Oracle officially kills Solaris
Why was you lied on Internets?
oracle.com/solaris/solaris11/index.html

I'm probably the biggest fan of HP-UX on this board. Ignite-UX is on its own is a fucking amazing argument to run HP-UX, but HP-UX's dark future is plain for all to see.

The fact it's getting updates doesn't mean it has a future or that it remains a significant player in the market. Solaris gets "updates" too.

Itanium is all but dead, and PA-RISC was cremated and had its ashes spread at sea years ago not long after Alpha.

Nobody is deploying new Itanium equipment at any significant scale; there are a handful of shops replacing old boxes with new boxes, and that's about it.

I have several AIX boxes at work. We benchmarked our application servers on Windows/MSSQL like our Pajeet consultants (HCL) demanded and they couldn't keep up with Oracle on AIX.

And look what happened when CDE and Motif did get opened up: Nothing at all.

After a very brief flurry of activity, the effort to make a Linux port pretty much crashed and burned, and little else has happened in the intervening 4-5 years.

>Oracle officially kills Solaris

Can I have some sauce please? Although it would make me happy to no end, I can only find rumours from December.

>Itanium is all but dead, and PA-RISC was cremated and had its ashes spread at sea years ago not long after Alpha.

As far as RISC CPUs, go even outside of HP, only POWER is really still hanging on in any meaningful way. Oracle isn't pushing SPARC much, as far as I can tell. MIPS is limited to just embedded, and Imagination now owning it doesn't exactly inspire confidence in its future. I guess there's RISC-V, but I'll believe it when I see it in the flesh.

Apart from the lack of modern exploit mitigation features (ASLR, DEP, PIE etc) it's a reasonable OS.

The smitty admin tool makes it easy for a complete newb to get started with AIX pretty quickly.

The animated dude in smitty is the IBM salesman running to the bank to cash your check.

To my understanding the greatest barrier is the usage of licensed IP, or at least enough of it to make it not worth bothering.

I really just don't see what it would accomplish in the end, other than maybe helping Linux support SGI hardware better. Solving any real problems like, hell, getting a modern version of Firefox to run would probably be more work than it's worth. There's not much you could really do with the OS itself as far as porting goes unless you want to write a shit ton of new drivers and then end up with a shittier version of Solaris x86 with even less software.

This is unfortunate, though understandable. I couldn't imagine how much of a poor value the current Integrity systems are unless you've invested a lot into the platform to begin with.

>And look what happened when CDE and Motif did get opened up: Nothing at all.

I get that, I'm just saying it could still happen, even if the outcome wouldn't be very impressive.

>After a very brief flurry of activity, the effort to make a Linux port pretty much crashed and burned, and little else has happened in the intervening 4-5 years.

How did it "crash and burn"? They ported it to the point it compiles and runs. I haven't tried it on a long time-scale, but it seems to be pretty stable. Also, it was pretty feature complete, not much to improve past where it was. No different from things like FVWM in that sense.

I work with Oracle on RHEL at work. While it's fine, I'd love to get my hands on an AIX system.

That's my point exactly; they got to run on a handful of platforms, and that was about it.

What else has happened since 2013?

There have been no improvements of any sort made to the code; for example, dtmail still has no TLS support, and CDE still has security vulnerabilities that the commercial UNIX vendors patched in 2004.

My brother got a sparc64 computer recently. I wanted to put Gentoo or FreeBSD on it, but my brother put Solaris 10 on it. Apparently the hardware doesn't even support Solaris 11. Not sure what the fuck he was thinking, but it's not really mine so whatever. Seems stupid to not only put a proprietary OS on it, but to put on an OS that isn't the latest.

Sounds like you're a sper/g/lord and your brother is based af.

I guess I understand why you would think that, but one other piece of info to add: no GNU/Linux distro besides Gentoo/Funtoo even supports Sparc64 currently.

Well, 10 is still getting security updates, so that's not too bad. That said, he has a Fujitsu SPARC64 system? Weird. They're not all that common, I would think. Is it a workstation or server?

>HP-UX
>dead
Not anytime soon, HPE's got plans for it for at least the next 5 years

Agreed

It's a Sun blade 100

UNIX is dead.

That's... not what I was expecting. What you've got there is a 64-Bit SPARC (UltraSPARC specifically), not a SPARC64. Only Fujitsu made SPARC64s as far as I am aware. I was hoping he had like a Fujitsu HALstation or something.

The Sun Blades are super common, as far was workstations go.

Yes, it's an UltraSPARC IIe specifically. When I say sparc64 I was referring to the architecture you'd look for when choosing a distro.

Don't Netflix use a ton of FreeBSD systems in their backend? Also, as pointed out above, they still roam in the halls of the financial industry. Not quite dead yet.

Not mongoloid, Mongol.
youtube.com/watch?v=eVlOC0bpFq0

Yeah, I thought you were speaking of processor type, not arch. Doesn't Debian still have a sparc64 build?

It probably supported sparc64 in the past but doesn't anymore. I did a search on distrowatch for sparc64 compatible operating systems of all types.

Just looked it up, apparently they dropped support after Wheezy.

Fun fact: Even when they did support sparc64, they didn't support any SPARC64 machines.

No their shit is all migrated to Amazon S3.

You know whats not dead?
The oil industry.
youtube.com/watch?v=LymAkCh9ROs

Their appliances DO run FreeBSD/NGINX

openconnect.netflix.com/en/software/

>Well, 10 is still getting security updates, so that's not too bad.

Only if you pay for them.

Not that it's a big deal if it's just some box he's fucking around with at home.

My company is migrating our Solaris systems to Red Hat, gonna miss that 6222 day uptime.

We still use AIX and just updated our hardware to Power 8 youtube.com/watch?v=aCfYVrWe8d0

Red Hat is the future.

Why the hell would you want to squander exotic hardware doing the same exact shit you can do on any old SBC or thrift store shitbox PC but even slower? Blade 100s are glacial ass, at least do something new and different with them.

"animated dude"? Is there a GUI for AIX?

The mind boggles.

I doubt that anybody would buy AIX servers in [current year]. However my company still does have a shit ton of host systems, that are almost impossible to upgrade. Stupid cobol applications ruining everybodys day. I think we tried to migrate from that shit to Red Hat for about 10 years and it's still ongoing.

While we are at it, is there a site from where I can download a linux distro for AIX?

1. AIX is proprietary, available or paying IBM customers only.

2. AIX is for POWER only. You need an IBM POWER server to run it.

>linux distro for AIX
the fuck are you even on about

Illumos is very much not dead
news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13081622

Joylent/SmartOS is customized illumos and numerous other projects

Tell them to migrate to SmartOS instead with DTrace, Zones (kvm), and real ZFS not the weak BSD implementation, Redhat is the past where you get breaking changes with every update due to systemD/SELinux complexity

you think IBM hung onto that shit after ditching commodity garbage just because? just because a few baby duck faggots kick and scream and throw a tantrum about corporate back-ends not being hip enough doesn't mean people aren't buying them, they aren't meant to fill a datacenter to the brim

Nah, too many things rely on Java today.
And .NET is a joke (at least now).