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Why hasn't the Intel Management Engine been compromised yet?
Seems like a very ripe target for attack.
John Scott
I've just installed Debian. My very first (fully installed) distribution, however, Gentoo was my first linux "experience". I grew impatient with setting everything up, that's why I'm not using Gentoo now.
John Green
unsubscrbe
Joseph Anderson
Should I try to download drivers separately before installing debian or just let it handle it?
Jacob Rogers
Do not install outside of your package manager
Chase Anderson
Download debian-nonfree image. It has firmware and stuff
Juan Rogers
Nouveau should be okay for legacy hardware?
Julian Parker
I like htop's looks but dstat is more useful for troubleshooting. What do you use to monitor CLI resource use and things like IO latency or blocking under load?
David Brown
How do I use synaptic on fedora? I have apt and synaptic installed but I have no idea how to add dnf repos to apt?
Angel Williams
You would have to check the feature matrix of your card,but generically, yes it would be fine for daily use
Easton Stewart
You don't
Benjamin Russell
Thats too bad, yumex is worst pkgmanager front end ever created. Is there gui like synaptic for dnf?
Lucas Richardson
Linux should see NTFS partitions just fine and manipulate files in it just fine, right?
Lincoln Gonzalez
If you're using ntfs-3g, they will
Bentley Richardson
I think the Fedora devs only care about the Gnome software center, whatever it's called nowadays
Xavier Butler
Gnome software center doesnt show all packages
Nathan Long
...
Zachary Perry
Since Windows is using NTFS, I'll have to find another way.
Christopher Allen
Gentoo users, mind explaining why you like portage? Building stuff from source has always seemed like a con to me, but Gentoo looks interesting because of no systemd.
Ethan Sullivan
FuckBSD
Gavin Reed
Gentoo user here. Use arch with openRC if arch still supports it
Cooper Gonzalez
nmon, is also freaking sexy
Leo Jones
Arch doesn't support it. The best init agnostic distro outside a source based is Devuan.
Blake Howard
>because of no systemd the fuck? is everyone using systemd now?
Aiden Scott
wow im so behind, gentoo's pretty much the only one.
Liam Scott
no is not, thankfully
Samuel Carter
What firewall rules would you recommend that I use on my laptop. I use it at home behind a NAT (no ports are forwarded to the laptop) and at my school.
Block all incoming TCP connections, unless established from my side, and then what?
Levi Hernandez
Hey guys I recently installed Ubuntu and I'm pretty happy about but I got some questions. When I used Windows I used ccleaner once in a while to get rid of unnecessary shit, is using a similar service necessary on Linux?
Jonathan Morgan
What are you trying to get rid of?
Charles Sullivan
ccleaner was just a placebo for the most part anyway. people didn't empty their rubbish bins and MS would absolute cunts and have many gigs of unneeded update files sitting around for no reason. Cleaning up the registry was pretty pointless too.
If you install is years old and in that time you've upgraded the kernel tons of times, have loads of orphaned files and want to clear the cahce of packages then you can deal with it then. But it's really not something you need to worry about.
Aaron Sanders
>installing loonix >mounted root and swap on SSD >Have ext4 partition that I want to use for games (steam mostly) Where do i mount it? I don't want it to be home.
Cooper Murphy
So who at Kubuntu thought it was a good idea to make Libreoffice Draw the default association for PDF? I opened the Shadowrun corebook (about 550 pages) and it almost broke my ram. Got it covered now with okular but ffs why not include kde's pdf reader in a kde oriented distro, let alone whose idea it was to associate pdfs to a fucking paint-like image editor.
Carter Long
I just ufw enable tbqhfam
no, it doesn't bog the memory but some people like to use bleachbit to remove unnecessary files and for security reasons
Hillary approves
Daniel Hughes
Alright thanks user
Matthew Young
There's not much unnecessary shit here you could get rid of. Cleaning package caches and old kernel images is enough.
Brody Moore
how do programs send messages so I cen see them with dmesg (like ufw for example)? is there a way to do this from the terminal? >ringbuffer-send 'ayy lmao'
Blake Jenkins
You guys sound smart so let me ask one more pleb question Is any kind of anti virus/malware protection needed on Ubuntu? Btw thanks for helping out
Logan Morgan
Free software is the best AntiVirus protection. Just don't run blindly code made by people you don't trust (PPAs, AUR, etc). There's "clamav" to scan for windows malware, but such malware wouldn't affect your system anyway (unless you run it in WINE). Common Sense 2017 is as always all you need.
Nicholas Taylor
>You guys sound smart we only pretend
>Is any kind of anti virus/malware protection needed on Ubuntu? no, not really
Camden Green
You don't really need it no. You will probably only ever install software from your distros official repository and if you use permissions like you are supposed to the system is secure. You also get security through obscurity, windows machines are a much more populated and easy target.
David Russell
Thanks anons you've been a big help
Nathan Kelly
anti virus software is a meme, because viruses don't exist; there are only programs doing their jobs and unlike proprietary systems/programs, where it's easy to backdoor binaries, you and millions of other people cam see what a program does and developers can remove maliciouse code from a package even before it enters a distributions repo.
Dominic Morgan
Well, that works for FOSS, but if you install proprietary software on your FOSS machine, you have the same problem like on Windows and the only way to check for bad code is heuristic, which is why anti virus software exists.
Angel Stewart
when you use proprietary software, you usually don't care much about security anyway imho nonfree software belongs into a vm or into the trash either a secure system or nonfree software, you cant have both...
Sebastian Russell
>have windows dual booted because I used to rarely need it for stuff (VM etc isn't an option) >Literally haven't used it for a year, I was much less knowledgeable about computers then >Mostly used it for games, office and proprietary software >Boot into it >cringe as 15 startup items including steam, NVIDIA GeForce Experience, Spotify, some garish overclocking software as well as drivers that for some reason demand their own programs open >Look at filesystem to delete stuff to save space >Tons of near useless programs wasting tons of space, each with their own program files entry >Try to change some settings >Half the settings can be changed through two different menus >Uses twice as much space as Linux with the same programs >Actually need to worry about viruses >Botnet >Badly written and bloated so badly many things barely work
Windows is a truly cancerous piece of shit, as is most of its software. Not to mention how fucking bad nfts is, and the price tag.
Henry Davis
This so much. It now comes with the added feature of booting your computer at night without asking.
Chase Price
What is the most noob-friendly distro? I've only ever used windows and I don't want to JUST my computer by accidentally being too close to code.
Julian Robinson
Ubuntu if you dont like Unity, go with Linux Mint
Juan Walker
I'm very mad because someone told me that mate is good but there isn't a way to make so that if throw my mouse on the top right and i left click i close a maximized window. Feels like macOS
Christian Gonzalez
>recommenting Mint found the troll
Landon Price
What else then? here a free (You)
Jack Sanchez
Ubuntu Mate?
Gabriel Watson
Ubuntu and if you don't like unity get any other flavour DE (xubuntu, kubuntu, whatever). I use KDE (kubuntu). Do some research on DEs and pick one that looks like you want, or you can try many with "allinone" or something like that.
Kayden Sanchez
kek, "knows" how to use linux yet fail to learn the more user friendly windows.
kek to you samefag
Elijah Kelly
Obviously you haven't even used a GNU/Linux liveCD. In any case this is /fglt/, so take your shitposting and/or shilling elsewhere.
Jose Hill
who uses CD-s anymore kek and using "obviously"
go troll your other neet mlp fags you have in the basement
Asher Long
>apparently advanced enough not to need systemd >doesn't understand the benefits of building packages/sofware yourself
Kill yourself you pretentious poser.
Michael Thomas
>use it for games, office and proprietary software
So for everything? Did you boot into your Linux distribution just to browse the internet and then boot back to Windows to edit an image quickly and write something in "office"? Pathetic.
Asher Sanchez
>*** Please be civil, notice the "Friendly" in every Friendly GNU/Linux Thread. ***
Nolan Powell
back to page 1 with you
Liam Bell
Is there a way to use vim as hexeditor?
Justin Stewart
:%!xxd converts the buffer to hex :%!xxd -r converts it back Map it to keys for maximum convenience.
and update your kernel .... 4.9.6 is latest stable release already
Gavin Cox
Sup Forumsentlemen, my first attempt at installing debian via netinstall iso botched bootloader and wasted my time so far. I started install, had to go afk so I left it downloading 1440 packages from repo. I come back 4 hours later, grub failed to install, text installer started asking for CD while being loaded from CD and then stopped responding. I had little time at this moment, so I clicked "Graphic install" for giggles, skipped installing packages from repository and also had to skip something named "System and standard programs" simply because it failed to do so itself. Grub installed successfully, so tomorrow I'll look at barebones debian. I also hope I would be able to load into windows partition. What would be my first action from debian terminal so I won't be stuck editing doc and viewing pdf files via console?
Matthew Carter
Should we tell her?
Thomas Moore
Now, write "man screenfetch" and search what flag you need to use in order to truncate the output based on the terminal width. Repeat this with all commands you have questions about.
Welcome
Brody Johnson
Cinnamon, Mate, or just a WM?
Gavin Garcia
Still better than Windows so it's still WIN.
Joshua Gutierrez
>we
Henry Lewis
im french btw
Evan Ross
I know it sounds strange, but how about making your own decisions? You know best what's good for you.
Joshua Bell
I've used variations of all three. I'm just interested in what others think :)
(I'm a fan WM only)
Jordan Moore
WM + favorite programs = best DE, but only if you love your computer. If you just want to have something to get shit done, KDE.
Carson Young
Is there anything simliar to OverTheWire's bandit? Shit was fun.
Kayden Powell
has anybody here deep understanding of xrandr? i would like to solve a problem of mine if somebody can take the time to answer
Dominic Roberts
I should really look into just using a WM plus the other things I need. I am running mate right now and it has only the bare minimum for what I need. I guess if I had my status notifications as well as date and time I really don't need anything else aside from my windows.
Not really a fan of using the terminal for absolutely everything though. Clicking through a GUI with a mouse is lazy and easy. [spoiler]I can even do it in bed.[/spoiler]
Connor Thomas
WMs aren't terminal only. You can use guis all you want. Tiling WMs just tile your windows across the screen.
You can do everything without removing your hand from the keyboard! It's even more lazy :)
Samuel Watson
desu typing is more of a pain than clicking a mouse. especially if you aren't sitting at a desk.
Landon Ross
Hi, I'm using kubuntu 16.10. I added the backports repos to get KDE 5.85 (default is 5.75). Someone tells me I can enable the Neon repos to get 5.9 which is out yesterday. Can someone explain how to do it?
Jack Phillips
Thank you, I'll get on these right away.
I already got a feeling there's at least 15 things wrong in that screenfetch.
Samuel Cruz
get rid of Kubuntu and switch to KDE Neon if you want a less buggy shit experience.
I guess I'll do it in a few days, I just reinstalled kubuntu yesterday and can't be asked to change distros at least until tomorrow.
What's so wrong about Kubuntu compared to Neon anyway? Is most of the team on neon now? I've heard bad things about kubuntu but I guess I need to hear what ppl won't print on official sites.
Zachary Ortiz
what's that systemmd command that shows boottime something like sysmte-md-analyze
Henry Morales
What DE is everyone using?
Tyler James
tmux obvs
Oliver Fisher
that K.
Nathan Carter
What's the problem? $ var=hello; echo "${#var}" 5
@ is referring to an array # combined with @ counts array items
bash $ var=(hello faggot); echo "${#var[@]}" 2
zsh % var=(hello faggot); echo "${#var[@]}" 2
Brody Lee
Gentoo user here.
The first thing to keep in mind is that using portage doesn't really feel like you're compiling anything. It just does its magic and maybe takes a little bit longer than a binary installation.
Once you get used to it it really feels like using any other package manager for the most part. Except that it gives you so many more options to choose from if you want. If I install something I can look and see that it comes with GTK+ and qt5 and go >shit, I only need one of those, let me tell portage to build it for only one and leave out support for the other or say you don't use pulseaudio, you can tell portage to globally never build pulse support for anything, meaning you never pull in any pulseaudio dependencies.
But even if that stuff sounds too advanced, remember it's not even necessary. You can also get lazy and just let portage do whatever the fuck it wants and then your system is a little bit closer to having the bloat you'd get from binary distros.
Then on top of all that, there's the benefits of everything on your system being compiled for your specific hardware, and everything being built with the exact versions of libraries you have on your system. The end result is that despite being fairly "bleeding edge" Gentoo is actually one of the most stable distros you'll ever find, and thanks to the flexibility of portage and compiling locally rather than downloading pre-compiled binaries even when something does break it's pretty much always possible to resolve the issue and get your machine working again.
I think the only times re-installation is considered to be the best solution when fixing a Gentoo machine, is when the system is like 10yrs out of date and even then it's still probably doable, but re-installation is just simpler at that point.
Carson Moore
Yep, point is that since ${#var[@]} is specifically used for getting the size of an array it's a bad thing it returns the length of variable when used on a single variable instead of an array. That would be a problem, for example, if you didn't know whether var was a single variable or an array. Practically speaking it's not an issue because I can't really think of a case where that could be a problem (except perhaps indirection or if var is a nameref) but still, not good.
Jonathan Allen
if you aim for portability, don't use arrays and write posix sh, which is supported by both, bash and zsh
