Since Sup Forums love this Pajeet for getting rid of Net Neutrality, how does it makes you feel Sup Forums?
Since Sup Forums love this Pajeet for getting rid of Net Neutrality, how does it makes you feel Sup Forums?
Mason Cruz
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Josiah Roberts
Mandatory spyware will be mandatory on all computers.
Camden Taylor
The internet is doomed to be a hive of censorship and propaganda one way or the other and you're stupid if you think some meme movement like Net Neutrality would stop it.
Net Neutrality timeline:
>people don't want corporations to censor content/resell free content as part of bullshit bundles
>corporations bankroll almost every elected member of our government
>people want to solve first memearrow by expanding government control over the internet to stop the evil corporations
>corporate-backed politicians now in charge of regulating the internet
No Net Neutrality timeline:
>people don't want corporations to censor content/resell free content as part of bullshit bundles
>corporations bankroll almost every elected member of our government
>corporate-backed politicians now in charge of regulating the internet
Justin Anderson
Net Neutrality is a gigantic text that mostly focuses on making competition between ISPs impossible, and only a tiny part of it is the good "don't discriminate traffic". Other countries don't have Net Neutrality and Internet access works just fine for their citizens.
Alexander Johnson
But he hasn't done anything yet.
Sage
Gabriel Fisher
Encryption banned when? I can't wait to see the look on the dumb fucking encryptards' faces lmao.
Nicholas Martinez
Why? What do you have against encryption?
Brody Robinson
You guys are overfocusing on net neutrality and ignoring the alarming fact this guy is an anti-privacy hawk. He opposed regulation against ISPs tracking customers.
Gavin Hall
Remember when everyone on the internet was for net neutrality?
What happened?
Blake Lee
Got something to hide, Ahmed?
Luke Martin
Yes, what about it?
Easton Phillips
Net neutrality came and people got comfy and forgot about the problem, they forgot how shitty things were before.
That's how anti-regulationism always makes its away into people's minds: things get better and people forget about the original problem and start thinking retrogradely.
Cooper Baker
People online started worshiping trump for some reason, so no matter what he does they agree.
Grayson Peterson
i wonder what happened
Samuel Hughes
Other countries don't have ISP monopolies and have other laws, usually written very clearly and publicly, regarding how businesses are not allowed to fuck consumers. Comcast would have been shut down a decade ago if they were operating in the EU.
Jordan Turner
>people online
Nah, only a couple of cringe communities like this cesspool. Most netizens absolutely abhor the troll.
Hudson Harris
>"basket of deplorables"
mfw Hillary was right
Thomas Morales
Fucking gamergate was so retarded. Why did we let Twitter wars come here?
John Flores
She wasn't right, but Trumpanzees are subhumans. A war with Russians is more appealing (because I'm exempt from service even during a draft) than Drumpf.
Here's to hoping he gets impeached by Congress and Mike Pence gets assassinated.
Owen Cox
We're getting war anyway, except with Iran instead of Russia. The difference is, Iran did nothing wrong, whereas a number of Eastern European countries are under Russian occupation.
Oliver Evans
It's weird how Iran is always somehow our enemy in the Middle East. As far as Muslim fundamentalists go, they seem relatively chill.
Evan Ward
It's not weird when you realize our government is infested with zionists.
Ethan Edwards
>mfw libshits are too stupid to even understand a simple argument and thinks everyone thinks like they do
Answe this, faggots
Anthony Allen
Iran is shia muslim, sunni muslims despise shia. Guess who's best buddies with USA because of their oil? Saudi Arabia, who are sunni.
Adam Martinez
>answer my unfalsifiable defeatist argument
You've already accepted that it's hopeless, so why would I bother indulging you?
Hunter Hill
>You've already accepted that it's hopeless
Not really theres a really simple solution that you should be looking at: open up the ISP market to most anyone and deregulate it
Nicholas Kelly
Here's the answer, you sophist. Now stop begging for (you)s.
Matthew Nguyen
>le free the market meme
Because that did so well for our energy market, right?
Leo Butler
You mean freeing the market on the oil oligarchy, when I'm suggesting lowering the barriers of entry to the ISP market and then deregulating it? Not to mention the energy market is always going to have high barriers to entry due to the equipment involved to get energy, meanwhile you can et the equipment you need to start an ISP in a startup. So your comparing apples to oranges really.
Where in the world is your argument?
Joshua Barnes
>muh free market
Doesn't work. The "free market" is what resulted in this monopoly farce we have, as well as the reason for said monopolies being able to bribe politicians into enacting legislation making new ISPs effectively illegal.
Free market capitalism does not fucking work in favor of the little guy. I thought you goyim would understand this by now. Remember pic related? Remember how the only reason you weren't pic related at his age was because of unions? Yet for some reason Trumpanzees despise unions and welcome assfucking with open arms.
Jordan White
Everyone on the internet except Sup Forums still wants net neutrality. Sup Forums changed when Trump came out against net neutrality. You never leave Sup Forums so you wouldn't know.
Landon Long
Thanks for supplying an ideological pseudo-solution to a technical problem, you useful idiot.
Now here's the reality of the facts that you ignore because you're so blinded by rhetoric:
>As our readers know, the telecom market suffers painfully from limited competition, resulting in some of the highest broadband prices in the developed world (OECD data) and some of the worst customer service in any sector.
>And while deregulation can be a useful tool in healthy, functional markets that truly suffer from government over-reach, in the telecom sector (where incumbent ISP think tankers like Eisenach have polluted intelligent discourse) deregulation has an entirely different meaning. For most of these folks, deregulation quite literally means letting giant duopolists quite literally write telecom law. In telecom, we've discussed how this form of deregulation (time and time and time again) only makes the already broken telecom market worse for consumers and innovation.
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Tyler Butler
Here's more for you:
>It took two years for security researchers to even discover what Verizon and its marketing partners were up to. It took another six months of heavy public shaming before Verizon was even willing to provide working opt-out tools. At no point did industry, or any of its self-regulatory apparatuses, stop and think they'd taken things a bit too far, which is why the FCC, agree or not, felt it was necessary to lend consumers a hand.
David Davis
>Where in the world is your argument?
The solution isn't blind deregulation, it's separation of corporation and state. It solves the situation you described.
>your comparing apples to oranges really
No I'm not, you obviously know jack shit about telecom: there is a massively high barrier to entry the market. Laying fiberoptics isn't cheap, user.
Joseph Reyes
Love it.
ISPs own their networks. They can negotiate with 3rd parties on how they get to use their networks. YouTube, Netflix, etc. have no right to demand usage on their networks. They clog them up and cause problems. They should, and have, paid for access or caching servers on ISP networks to connect to their customers.
Customers pay for access to their networks, and their networks are generally agnostic. Know what will keep them that way and competitive? FUCKING FREE MARKET COMPETITION.
GET RID OF YOUR FUCKING MUNICIPAL AND STATE MONOPOLY CHARTERS FOR ISPS
Hunter Roberts
>le free market utopia
Samuel Collins
>you can et the equipment you need to start an ISP in a startup
Not really, especially if existing ISPs can tell you to go fuck yourself if you want to connect to their network infrastructure(which they can in an unregulated market).
Anthony Butler
There has never been a free market monopoly in history. Understand the definition of a monopoly. Some businesses have owned significant shares of a market in a free market, but they got there by supply the best good or service for the best price.
Standard oil had rock bottom prices. Customers enjoyed cheap oil. Know who was pissed and lobbied the gov to break it up? Smaller, less efficient businesses.
Josiah Barnes
Oh look, it's the "netflix is the evil one, it's hurting the poor multi-billionaire ISPs! it's not the ISPs hurting the little customers guys, trust me, ISPs are our friends!" retard again.
Camden Edwards
>there has never been a free market monopoly
Stopped reading here.
Ian Martin
>free market shills
Levi Johnson
>there has never been a free market monopoly
How to tell you're arguing with an irrational ideologue who ignores facts and shapes reality to his thinking.
That's either the result of dumb idiocy that turns you into an useful idiot or being a paid shill.
Leo Jackson
>le free market = deregulated market meme
When will this meme die?
Since when is a market free from government but slave to corporations "free"?
If you really wanted a free market, you wouldn't defend that.
Aaron Fisher
You own a private toll road. You want to charge the shipping companies that clog up your highways more to pay for their greater usage on your road.
Well, the shipping companies don't want to pay more. They lobby the gov to force you to let them run free on your toll road.
Now all the regular commuters have a worse commute, the road isn't maintained as well, and the toll road owner has a monopoly charter to be the only road in the area.
What incentive does the toll road owner have to improve their toll road?
Eli Howard
Those are corporate shills, my friend.
The day YouTube and Netflix start hijacking my DNS queries like most ISPs do, then we talk okay?
John Walker
>private toll road
Found the problem!
Nathan Long
Corporations are a product of government. Fuck em. Fuck the government.
A free market without state-sponsored limited liability and legal protections means people that organize businesses would have to compete on a more even playing field.
Jeremiah Carter
This. The problem is private corporations owning the Internet.
The Internet should be public and state-run.
Logan King
They have a monopoly charter. What are you going to do about it? Lobby the gov to force them to let all the congestion through?
Sounds brilliant. Why would we want to disrupt the wonderful monopoly rent-seeking going on?
Xavier Cruz
>your pic related
More of an issue with the economical paradigm changing from agrarian to industrial rather than a political one - USSR, for example, had terrible conditions during their industrialization period as well, despite extensive state oversight. A similar change also happened earlier when people went from hunter-gatherers to farmers - those early farmers didn't exactly live the good life even though agriculture eventually allowed for a far greater standard of living and a fairly stable society. And another similar period of misery is yet to come as almost every job will eventually be automated and economy is forced to adapt to the new order. I guarantee there will be growing pains in the near future(maybe a century or so) as people start to realize they are no longer useful, or needed, in almost any way.
Nolan Lopez
Because central planning works so fucking well.
Henry Lewis
>private toll road
Internet is a public utility. Your example would be more apt if you used another public utility, like electricity.
>own the rights to supply energy to people
>people keep installing products that use lots of energy
>want to charge people different rates depending on the device or appliance used
>government tells you to fuck right off
>realize you're an idiot
William Johnson
By more level playing field you mean businesses would be paying to sabotage other businesses and providing the bare minimum of service once they've eliminated all competition, right?
You fucks are as dumb as the ancaps that think "charity" would pay for roads and hospitals.
Jayden Hill
Because that's not an easy work-around.
It doesn't harm anyone. It allows the ISPs another method of making some extra money. If it was a real problem, customers would be outraged. Most don't know and don't care. You're the tiny minority.
Brandon Perez
More like:
>own private road
>own shipping company too
>other competing shipping companies use your road because it's the only one that provides access to certain customers - you have a monopoly on roads in a certain location
>you don't like their competition
>so you wanna charge them extra for using your road in order to achieve a monopoly on shipping as well
Joshua Smith
>Because roads aren't considered some faggoty statist meme up the wazoo
>Because governments manipulating markets never go wrong
Aaron Carter
Well, why are you defending big centralized fucking corporations then, you fucking shill?
Jace Carter
Yeah, so the obvious fucking answer is get rid of monopoly charters. Not MORE fucking gov regulation on markets.
Do you people even fucking see what you're typing?
Leo Ramirez
Governments have a much better track record of protecting the consumer than le free market corporations do.
Henry Lopez
>governments manipulating markets sometimes go wrong
>so let's completely ban it even when it could be beneficial
Totally unregulated markets go wrong too - the key is achieving the perfect balance. Not outright disregarding a perfectly fine possibility.
You're not being rational, you're being ideological.
Grayson Mitchell
I don't defend corporations. I'm an AnCap. Corporations are one with statism.
I defend private property and to do w/e the fuck you want with your own property. If you want to sell goods and services, you don't get special rent-seeking privileges. You have to compete on quality and price. May the best man win.
Brayden Phillips
Governments regulating markets means winners and losers are chosen by some central planner. Gov regulation ALWAYS leads to winners and losers at some level. The answer is to stay the fuck out of the markets and not give people monopoly.
Noah Barnes
You're reversing cause and consequence. We don't have monopoly charters because the government regulates markets, the government regulates markets because of monopoly charters. We didn't always have regulation, at one point it became necessary. See Take for example this issue , the privacy issue (which you are conveniently ignoring). The problem arose and then regulation came up to try to solve it.
Now, that regulation is gonna get gutted and ISPs are going to be free to track you. Enjoy.
The true solution to make government stop helping corporations is not banning regulations, but banning lobbying. We need separation of corporation and state.
Lucas Cox
>I'm an AnCap
Anthony Perez
The fact that unionization was able to outlaw child labor and force corporations into turning their deathtrap factories into relatively safe working environments DURING the industrial revolution is evidence enough that it could be done, but without state oversight it takes a lot of misery and death to force corporations into being reasonable. It's exactly the same case here. Relatively free internet market ends up getting taken over by a few megacorps, they pay for legislation to ensure there can't be any competition, and then they do the bare minimum, because they know that the only choices you have are no internet or their internet.
There are two solutions: prevent corporations from bribing politicians (impossible) or prevent corporations from fucking the consumer and monopolizing (very possible).
Alexander Gray
Governments not regulating markets means winners and losers are chosen by some unelected multi-billionaire moguls instead of by elected representatives of the people.
Alexander Jones
>may the best man win
More like "may the best hitmen and saboteurs win."
Liam Martinez
>I'm an unironical capitalist
Hey, if you love capitalism so much, then why aren't you working 14 hours a day alongside your wife and kids in a sweatshop factory?
It's very easy liking capitalism after all the improvements that socialist unions and progressivism brought into it.
I hope you enjoy all the Pajeets capitalism is bringing in to replace you for less than minimum wage too.
Isn't capitalism just so fucking great?
Mason Murphy
Oh no, the ISPs will track you and figure out that you like buying weeaboo trash on Amazon. Now they'll target weeaboo trash ads to you! THE HORROR!
That's the difference between a private company watching your habits and the gov.
Things were not bad before net neutrality. Are you on crack? If anything, virtually nothing changed. The FCC hasn't even flexed their fucking muscles on their new regulatory powers.
You're a complete naive fool. if you think there was ever government structure in the history of humanity that was without "lobbying" and persuasion from wealth. Money and gov go together like hippies and weed.
Dylan Wood
>Things were not bad before net neutrality.
Damn, confirmed shill. Completely ignored from now on.
Zachary Garcia
Wrong. It means that the government is rewriting the rules of the game to promote a more ideal situation. Even your ancap society relies on some very lax rules that obviously lead to non ideal situations and fuck some people over while promoting others. Regulations mean imposing more rules to change how the game is played. It's seen everywhere in games be it video or sports. Basketball isn't just do whatever but the ball is supposed to find itself in the hoop, basketball rules evolved into a form to provide more entertainment.
Elijah White
>If anything, virtually nothing changed.
Because "muh deregulation" right-wingers won't let the FCC enforce its own rules:
Easton Flores
The state comes in after the fact and claims responsibility for things the market is already solving. Child labor and working conditions had already been improving for many years prior to them making a stupid fucking law.
In fact, the regulations fuck over society. In Bangladesh they outlawed child labor and it did nothing but increase child prostitution and theft. Child labor naturally goes away when economic conditions are right. Society values education children over the value of their labor when conditions improve.
For example, OSHA was enacted in the middle of the 20th century. The rate of workplace accidents declined no more quickly than it already had been after that fact.
Kevin Allen
>"You're a complete naive fool."
>and the irony of that statement was completely lost
Tyler Edwards
>completely downplaying the privacy issue like that
What are you even doing on Sup Forums if you're an anti-encryption autist?
Mason Lopez
>We don't have monopoly charters because the government regulates markets, the government regulates markets because of monopoly charters.
Am I missing something here or are you completely off the rails with this sentence? Natural monopolies don't exist, because they also require a natural monopsony (which is impossible to maintain). Monopolies are only formed through government intervention. The government thinks they can pick winners and losers better than the natural economy, so they treat certain companies differently, resulting in a monopoly.
The rule of thumb is this, the more inclusive something is, the more shitty it becomes. Always and without fail. Everything that is non-essential to human life, every hobby, every pastime, should be gated by a learning curve and a community unforgiving to newcomers. The internet is far worse than it was in the early 2000's. It stands to get even worse than what we have now.
Christian Lopez
Economic illiterates everywhere
Anthony Rivera
tryhard
Jeremiah Richardson
>in a poverty ridden shithole the powerless government wasn't able to do anything
Wow. Really comparable to first world nations.
>OSHA is worthless
I can tell you've never worked a day in your life.
Eli Miller
Yeah, no one has interest in dispute resolution, security, or property management. Who would bother with providing such services? It's not like there are multiple times more private security persons or arbitration facilities out there compared to their public counterparts. Oh, wait...
Lucas Hernandez
> Things were not bad before net neutrality.
> not bad
Nicholas Davis
>Ignore statistics and evidence because you meme so hard for government to fuck your tight boi pussi
Lincoln Evans
lol stupid commie.
Neither pure communism nor pure socialism is ideal. Balance nigger!
Noah Moore
Who says I'm against encryption? Fuck the gov pretending they can control that shit. I'm against government regulating markets, because they pick winners and losers and we all suffer in the end due to lack of competition, innovation, and lower prices for better goods and services.
Alexander Young
>ignoring evidence
>ignoring evidence
>ignoring evidence
Wow. Just, wow.
Nevermind that you completely ignored these
David Wright
Child labor was necessary so people could actually eat and clothe themselves though. It still happens today and is necessary. Only when enough wealth was acquired did the countries outlaw child labor as it wasn't as necessary anymore to uplift the populace.
Jackson Martinez
>child labor was necessary
Charles Anderson
Do retards like you just not live in reality or what? By what mechanism does le free market utopia prevent corporations from monopolizing? From taking advantage of the free market until they monopolize, and then "lobbying" until they have a legal backing for an unbreakable monopoly?
There isn't one. Free markets just leave the monopolization and employee/costumer fucking up to Jews instead of elected officials.
Owen Cox
Do you even read the shit you post?
>As our readers know, the telecom market suffers painfully from limited competition,
HMMM I WONDER WHY THE SUFFER FROM LACK OF COMPETITION. IT COULDN'T BE MONOPOLY CHARTERS. MORE REGULATION! FUCK ME IN THE ASS BIG DADDY GOV!
But you're right. There are no startups out there trying to compete. Established ISPs definitely aren't lobbying state and city governments to keep out competition all over the US. Oh, shit, wait...
Nicholas Gutierrez
>lack of competition, innovation, and lower prices for better goods and services
You're thinking of capitalism, that's what happens when nobody keeps corporations in check: they suppress competitors and small businesses, squash innovation and overcharge you.
Geez, you're unironically defending monopolistic ISPs who overcharge for shitty cable and attacking Netflix and Youtube, who have plenty of competition (Amazon Prime, Hulu, etc.) and who charge pennies.
I hope you're satire. You better be.
Mason Perry
>doesn't know what's going on
>doubles down
Charles Murphy
Child labor was absolutely necessary. You don't fucking understand basic economics and you sit there with a smirk on your face as you type out the retarded shit you post here on Sup Forums
You're the type of faggot that thinks he's helping the world by pouring aid money and goods into impoverished markets because MUH FEELS
Austin Bennett
Fuck off, you were unironically rationalizing child labour.
Nolan Brown
It's almost like... you need both government and markets... really makes you think.
Ian Hall
>muh basic economics
>says the guy that doesn't understand the need for government interference in order to balance monopolistic and monopsonistic markets
Justin Murphy
Because companies can continue to exist without gov protection and just fuck everyone. Because I know when I go to McD's I like them kicking me in the dick and just stealing my money. I'll definitely go back and patronize them again tomorrow!
Herp derp
Dominic Perez
Except child labor wasn't necessary once the depression was over, but it stuck around because paying for things you don't have to, like adults instead of children, is bad for the bottom line.
Notice how there wasn't some mass closure and bankruptcy of businesses once child labor was outlawed? No, you probably didn't notice that because history is irrelevant to your fanfiction.
Adam Jones
Cool! Love your rationalizing skills!
Now do it with brutal murder and rape!
Jackson Jackson
You obviously don't know what you're talking about. Child labor was necessary. Would you have rather let the children die and families die? Who's the monster here? Not me, I can assure you. I'd encourage you to delve a bit deeper into some relevant books around history and economics.
Dylan Perez
>There are two solutions: prevent corporations from bribing politicians (impossible) or prevent corporations from fucking the consumer and monopolizing (very possible).
>prevent corporations from bribing politicians (impossible)
>prevent corporations from fucking the consumer and monopolizing (very possible).
>impossible
>possible
Which is it? If politicians are being bribed by ISPs then they aren't going to enact legislature that prevents them from monopolizing. If anything, the solution is to cut off the source of the problem(corrupt politicians), and the only way I can see that happening is by strictly restricting lobbying. Something that here in Europe is already reality - some politician gets found out receiving a payoff or misusing government funds, their name is run through the mud and they may even face criminal charges if they dont resign. A Finnish prime minister had to resign after receiving a bunch of wooden boards for building a house for free. In Sweden, a minister resigned after using taxpayer funds to buy a single bar of Toblerone chocolate. Strict, but fair.