Post your component list, rate other anons', ask questions in general.
Always state the purpose of your PC, your budget, AND YOUR COUNTRY if outside the USA. If you are asking for improvements, clarify whether you want to lower price, or improve specs or build quality.
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons by vendor and compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com
>Have a budget, but don't know where to start? This will recommend you a parts list based on price. logicalincrements.com/
>General build advice including chipset compatibility, power supply advice, Windows activation information. pastebin.com/9Pbm4nHL
>Subsitute a G4560 with 2400MHz RAM for any Pentium or i3; similar performance, up to 50% cost reduction. >Consider using an i5 6500/7500 in any RX470/480 or GTX 1060 tier build. >Consider stock fan+heatsink for any i3 or locked i5 build without a Z mobo. >Consider a H110/B150 (need BIOS update BEFORE installing CPU) or B250 mobo for any Pentium or i3 build. >Add a 240GB SSD to the "Very Good" tier build. >The only worthwhile gfx cards are the GTX1050Ti, RX470, RX480, GTX1060 6GB >Wait to buy until after Ryzen launch in very early March.
If you see any other build advice or part list threads, direct them here with
only the 8 core models, starting at just above $300
Kevin Bailey
Damn. Ok what about this one ASRock Z170A-X1/3.1 LGA1151?
Luis Brooks
Which 1070 card should I buy? Did EVGA fix the house fire issues?
Adam Perez
>negative air pressure inside that case
how horrible.
Cameron Lopez
Will the release of the 1080 ti drive down prices of the 1060, 1070?
Want to get a 1070 but wondering if it's worth waiting. 1070 prices are getting down lower to MSRP I noticed.
Grayson Carter
Outdated link: >>General build advice including chipset compatibility, power supply advice, Windows activation information. Should be: pastebin.com/F9diF2hA
And to clarify: >Consider a H110/B150 (need BIOS update BEFORE installing CPU) or B250 mobo for any Pentium or i3 build. BIOS update only applies if you buy a Kaby Lake CPU with 1xx chipset mobo.
Jack Sanders
Noctua fans are ugly as hell to me.
Tyler Fisher
Recently bought evga 1070 SC, no housefire yet.
How significant is RAM speed? Thinking about upgrading from 8gb 2133hz to something better if its worth. (High end gaming, Motion graphics with afterfx)
Dylan Morris
Can it update BIOS without a CPU? Just get the cheapest z270 mobo and save yourself a lot of hassle.
>implying it makes a difference
most likely not.
3000-3200MHz is the sweetspot. It can give a slight boost of a couple % but anything faster is a waste of money.
Alexander Johnson
Nothing you should believe, just speculation and lies at this point
Jordan Johnson
No. It'll maybe drive down the price of the 1080 but even that's unlikely with how expensive it's expected to be Im completely sure it will drop the price of the Titan XP
Julian Jackson
>went to pre-order Ryzen >search Ryzen @ newegg >get some weird Gundam toy thing The fuck do you guys get the pre-orders info from?
Ian Wright
The shittiest and worst-optimized games may see a small boost in fps After effects should see an actually noticable boost in performance Like a one said, 3000mhz used to be the best MHz/$, but now with all the ram prices fucked, just get the faster ram you feel comfortable paying for, even on programs that use the extra speed it won't be anything mindblowing if you get 3000 instead of 3200
Ryan Adams
Case in pic?
Easton Ross
Tech Blogs
Matthew Lewis
idk but pcpicker doesn't seem to bring up any issues with it
Evan Walker
Where the fuck did you hear they let people pre-order?
because technically it works, and you should stop blindly relying on that site cus it's not always correct.
Colton Cook
I'm sorry for stupid question, but I selected boot from my optical drive to install windows. After this is done, do I need to change where I boot from?
Or will it not matter if I never use the optical drive after this
no, it wont do anything unless you have a disc in the drive and then it will just ask if you want to boot from it (but only if the disc is bootable).
Dominic Young
Bios Boot order It's probably already changed, Windows changed my boot order from USB to drive as soon as it was done installing
Alexander Phillips
If you have a disc inserted it will just check if it's bootable, if not, it will automatically proceed to the next boot option.
Gavin Williams
Eh theres a pc shop down the road I will just get them to update the bios
Parker Lopez
Slight negative air pressure is better for temps
Ethan Sullivan
>Pic Does that even make sense?
Lincoln Taylor
whats the difference between msi b250i gaming pro ac and the msi h270i gaming pro ac ?
Alexander Cooper
>could just get a 2xx chipset board instead of paying someone to update BIOS for you >wont even get all the latest chipset features after spending same amount of money
Currently looking at Corsair Vengance 16gb 3200 mhz for $125 (3000 mhz is literally 1c cheaper) - How hard is it to replace? I know physically its easy but do I have to do any major bios tweaking?
Parker Powell
it's a moot point because it's an insignificant difference.
they used to be under $100 for same size/speed just 2 months ago
Eli Kelly
I don't care anymore I just won't want to pay 150-200$ for a fucking motherboard that I won't even OC.
Jaxon Garcia
Who knows, all I know is that I got exactly what you're looking at for $75 (no sale or coupon or anything) like 3-4 months ago
You go to XMP settings and turn it on For me at least, it automatically adjusted the frequency, voltage and timings as soon as it could recognize the ram (I needed a bios update for XMP to work on that specific G Skill model, make sure you check your motherboards ram compatibility list if they have one on their website, not all ram just werks on original bios'es
Luis Davis
not blower style ones, at least none that i know of. the basic idea (pushing the heat out of the case) is good, but it's always done with loud af radial fans.
Tyler King
I've been thinking about getting an AMD GPU, since my monitor supports freesync (wasn't the most important criteria when I bought it). But I have really terrivle experience with my last AMD GPU (laptop GPU tho), are they better now?
Elijah Scott
Non-blower cards assume you have a proper exhaust system in place on your case. I mean yeah blowers are good for keeping the heat away from your motherboard, but they're terrible for actually cooling your GPU, and a proper exhaust solves the radial-fan problem of internal heat Blowers are used in small form factor cases where there isn't perfect airflow or adequate exhaust, but with proper airflow and exhaust, radial fans win 100% of the tine
Blake Rodriguez
pcpartpicker.com/list/BQmhBP Trying to put together a machine for a friend to play Fallout 4 modded and Skyrim and all that crap. Cheaper is better but we're topping out around 750
Ryan Cook
change to rx470
Carson Roberts
They perform better. I'm sure the build quality is better than years-old laptop radeons but I can't say myself But 1440p AND high fps is tough to do, you essentially need a 1070
Aaron Rogers
Negative air pressure sucks in dust from every nook and crany in the case. Its not about case temps, its about not having dust spots on every panel in the case.
Liam Phillips
i read an article that said the contrary years ago
and my stepmoms old IBM desktop only had an exhaust fan and zero dust after almost a decade of use.
I dont know. I work IT in a very dusty warehouse, all the dell PCs there have 2 exhaust fans, and every single front panel, USB port, 5.25 tray, everything has dust layered into those openings.
Juan Gray
I'd get a 3-fan edition. For the monitors either AOC AG271QG or Acer XB271HU.
Blake Bell
That's what I have. Cheap as it comes and overclocks just as well as any 1070 on the internet (a little over 2.1GHz)
Kayden Mitchell
That diagram is wrong Air exits out the rear of the fans in a conical pattern. It almost never exits in a straight cylinder without shrouds or vortex-generating features
Asher Perez
>blowers are good for keeping the heat away from your motherboard, but they're terrible for actually cooling your GPU if that is true, why are more or less all good aftermarket CPU coolers (axial) blower style? I'm not asking for xbox-huge radial fans here, what i want is a setup with large axial fans in a blower setup, like the top half of the pic (CPU airflow). DVI and some DP ports can be put in one slot, the other 3 can be exhaust.
You mean vertical axial fans? There is no good radial blower cooler for a CPU, and the GPU radial blowers aren't as good as full heatsinks with axial fans And vertical axial fans on a GPU would perk better but really doesn't offer much advantage over horizontal axial fans for how much space it would take away Nothing is stopping you from tying a CPU cooler to a GPU
Ethan Lopez
I have a Corsair 100R silent edition case and it says: The Corsair 100R Silent ATX Mid Tower Case supports video cards up to 414mm long, but video cards over 275mm may block drive bays. Since the Gigabyte GeForce GTX 1070 8GB G1 Gaming Video Card is 280mm long, some drive bays may not be usable.
I'm using all of my drive bays, can this card fit or should I go for the 2 fan version?
Wyatt Evans
Maybe maybe not
Liam Taylor
you need a hard drive for the games and mods, a quad core cpu and you should go with a 8gb 480. expecting to have a good time modding with the duel core is not going to spell good fun times for you.
Gabriel Cook
He has a quad thread CPU for very cheap, and getting an 8Gb over a 4Gb is a retarded suggestion
David Gutierrez
no he doesnt you fucking tard. try reading the god damn post where he said THE CHEAPER THE BETTER
Tyler Richardson
It's also not gonna spell dual core
Tyler Nguyen
Pic related, blower style CPU cooling.
>Nothing is stopping you from tying a CPU cooler to a GPU That's kinda the future i hope for. HBM right next to the GPU should make that possible.
Jaxon Rivera
I guess I need to open my pc up and check where the pcie slots are just to be safe.
Daniel Cruz
HBM is dead, it's all about hbm2 Aren't you keeping up on your memes?
Benjamin Lopez
Would you worry about how your GPU support bracket looks?
Isaac Edwards
>pic related >not posting pic
Henry Adams
people already did it and it looks retarded and is not optimal use of space inside the case
Benjamin Scott
>pic related, blower style CPU cooling Looks about right
Jeremiah Ross
Those are vertically-positioned axial (the fan blows air through the fan, parallel to the axle) fans. "Blower" implies both a radial (the fan sucks in air and then blows it sideways radially) fan and a shroud isolating the heatsink and airflow from the case of the case
Andrew Young
Vocabulary aside, you're right. A vertical heatsink would cool a GPU much better than the normal horizontal ones, but that would take up at least 120mm of PCIe slots, plus you'd have to get a horizontal heatspreader anyways to deal with the VRMs getting hot on the card I mean it's possible, but *most* GPU coolers do well enough already and a watercooling loop is a much better and more aesthetic way to handle an overheating card
Bentley Murphy
this is my current blower set-up and all my temps are sitting under 30*c. but is there anything wrong with this?
Lincoln Moore
>not optimal use of space inside the case If it needs more space, i'll use a bigger case. It just sits next to the desk anyway, why would i care if it's half a foot taller?
Jeremiah Butler
Heat rises and dust falls, so flip those top fans around
Caleb Ward
on top i have two 120mm and on the front i've got 3 140mm
Cooper Rodriguez
Modded Fallout 4 and Skyrim are notoriously memory hungry, even at 1080p. Those modpacks quaddruple the memory footprint of every texture. There is generally no optimization because a lot of the modders are just hobbyists and have no idea what they're doing. Even the smallest shit gets an overkill texel density and the texture maps are often badly compressed. They'll make giant normal maps even though you can't tell the difference etc. They'll do this for all kinds of textures like translucency, roughness maps and so on, even though it has virtually no impact on visual quality but a massive impact on memory usage.
Once that memory is full you're gonna get stuttering and pop-in like crazy which will ruin your experience. FPS will also crash in areas where large amounts of new textures are loaded while the memory is full.
The GPU does 85% of the work, always put every last cent into the GPU when doing a budget gaming rig. Get an RX480 8GB. Buy 2x 4GB system memory so that you can use them in dual-channel, then later when you have the money just buy another set of 2x 4GB if needed. Don't use a single 8 GB stick because you're never gonna upgrade to 32 GB. Get that dual channel action going with 2x 4GB.
My old PC had a GTX780 3GB and a 1080p monitor. Modded Skyrim was possible but it will start to lag with ENB and heavy high-res texture packs. VRAM was totally full. FPS 35-60, unstable because of VRAM being full (again, heavily modded). Fallout 4 unmodded was playable 50-60 FPS with most settings topped out except shadows. VRAM was again capped out (this time without any mods at all) There's no doubt that the RX480 8 GB will be able to store all that texture goodness while maintaining solid performance, I think 4GB won't be enough for FO4 modded.
Alexander Walker
Why does windows not see my hard drive after install, but it did during out when I selected the ssd
It only sees the ssd and optical drive.
Grayson Gray
the way the gpu is oriented inside the case severely limits the cooler you can put on it...
Aaron Phillips
maybe he wants a high res texture pack, I don't know how hard he's modding.
>no he doesnt you fucking tard
are you saying no to everything or just a single thing, be more specific. and "cheaper the better" is bullshit, if that's true maybe he should just get a used dell home pc, throw in a $20 gpu, and have 4k 240fps for rest of time.
you got me
Brayden Perez
even if they're filtered fans?
Austin Diaz
>out It
Levi Smith
That still leaves the fact that your top fans are working against the natural flow of hot air Generally it's a good idea to have front-bottom intakes and top-rear exhausts with a fairly balanced intake/exhaust ratio (with a little more fanpower on the intake side for positive pressure to reduce dust) Flipping the top is what I would do but I also have two less fans than you and a smaller case
Bentley Powell
I'd flip the top ones, will reduce dust intake significantly and there's generally a lot of space above the PC for warm air to flow upwards, away from the surrounding area of the PC. The back of the PC usually faces a wall, creating a pocket of heat behind it.
Dylan Martin
Uh is it normal when installing drivers from the mobo disc for it to be slow? With the os on ssd, 16gb ram and i5 6600k?
It's taking several minutes
Christopher Kelly
go watch a fucking video about it it makes zero fucking difference if your top fans are intake or outtake
ps im not that user you're arguing with
Dylan Miller
why the fuck are you installing outdated drivers? just go to the manufacturer's website and download the latest.
Isaac Thomas
I need the ethernet driver
Ethan Williams
heatpipes. the contact area to the CPU (or GPU+HBM area) doesn't have to be in the center of the cooler.
Joseph Cox
Move the CPU fan onto the other side if you can mount it to blow the same direction, it's better to have the heatsink sandwiched between a push-fan and pull-fan instead of just having two pull-fans do all the work after the air already goes through the radiator But its not a big difference
Jaxon Fisher
just download that shit, the included drivers are always very old. your CD drive is probably fucking around. i remember when installing windows from a CD it took 8 minutes for the fucking thing to even start spinning.
Isaiah Mitchell
>windows
Ian Allen
It makes difference for dust, that's for sure And yeah, anything after 3 fans with at least one as intake or exhaust, it really doesn't do much more for temps
Chase Williams
>the GPU doesn't have to be on the heatspreader Thanks MSI!
Nicholas Gonzalez
then just install only that?
yeah but there isnt any shit like that yet and you would need support brackets so you dont crack the PCI-E slot.
Grayson King
not as much as you think if you have filters.
William Young
So you mean something like this that covers all of the heated parts on a GPU and spreads them across a giant heatsink with fans on it? Holy shit you should patent that idea
Christopher Butler
wut computer iz gud
Elijah Gonzalez
Help windows doesn't see my regular hard drive, but bios does and I can see it in device manager
Josiah Walker
Yes, as much as you think The filters are small and dust can literally just fall through the top, you're getting probably a dozen times as much dust intake having intakes on the top instead of the side, filtered or not (because all intakes should be filtered, that's basic stuff, don't compare front intake to a top intake and say top intake doesn't attract dust because it defibitely does
Henry Sanchez
and there's just as much dust getting sucked in thru the front. makes zero fucking difference
