I’ll never bring my phone on an international flight again. Neither should you

Do you bring a different phone/laptop with you when you travel abroad? I've heard of some people bringing cleaned laptops with them to China because they're afraid of sensitive work material being stolen, but now you have to do the same thing in the US? Wtf?

>All the security in the world can’t save you if someone has physical possession of your phone or laptop, and can intimidate you into giving up your password.

>And a few weeks ago, that’s precisely what happened to a US citizen returning home from abroad.
>On January 30th, Sidd Bikkannavar, a US-born scientist at NASA’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory flew back to Houston, Texas from Santiago, Chile.
>On his way through through the airport, Customs and Border Patrol agents pulled him aside. They searched him, then detained him in a room with a bunch of other people sleeping in cots. They eventually returned and said they’d release him if he told them the password to unlock his phone.

>Bikkannavar explained that the phone belonged to NASA and had sensitive information on it, but his pleas fell on deaf ears. He eventually yielded and unlocked his phone. The agents left with his phone. Half an hour later, they returned, handed him his phone, and released him.

medium.freecodecamp.com/ill-never-bring-my-phone-on-an-international-flight-again-neither-should-you-e9289cde0e5f

>Mark Zuckerberg used the password “dadada” on his LinkedIn account. Earlier this year, when hackers released 117 million email-password combinations, his was among them. Hackers were then able to use his email and password to gain access to his Twitter and Pinterest accounts.

lol

I just won't travel to America.

Problem solved.

I'll never go to the united states of fema camps.

>I just won't travel to America.
Excellent. Stay at home, Pajeet/Mohammed.

>traveling to a police state with data caps and no freedom at all
why tho

What exactly does one gain from looking at a dude's phone?Law enforcement does not need to look into your phone to know who you've been contacting and when.

Nudes

>everyone outside america is either indian or arab
I'll throw Asian in there as well but you're still looking like a fucking idiot.

>the phone belonged to NASA and had sensitive information on it
then he should have his security clearance revoked.

The biggest thing I would be worried about in handing my device over unlocked to them would be them installing some software/rootkit on it for "diagnostic purposes" and leaving it there ending up being a backdoor.

If there was anything I would demand in that situation is that it doesn't leave my sight while they have it and I get to know exactly what they are doing with it.

Why not just pick up a burner dumb phone on the other side?

>now
Do you live under a rock?

Only a complete moron would use his personal phone for illegal purposes,especially after the phone's been in enemy hands.
I don't get what exactly airport cunts expect to accomplish.

Good, fuck off we're full anyway. We don't need anymore pedophiles over here. You would contribute nothing of value anyway.

You are crossing a border you should expect to be searched, specially on your way back in.

I am actually going on a international flight soon, with a smart phone, two external drives and two laptops. I fully expect them to be searched. Only thing remotely for me to worry about is copyright infringement, I doubt customs gives a shit, specially since you are not usually searched on your way out but on your way in.

>Only thing remotely for me to worry about...
People like you should be shot in the streets.

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COMING SOON 2017

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Or don't travel to Burgerland and you should be fine.

this

whatchoo talkin bout willis?

I get free accommodation if I refuse to give password?
Fucking awesome.
I wonder how long they'd keep me there though.

actually is was the 3310 oops
Look at this chart. When I travel I don't need a fucking smart phone. My family travels a lot and my mom and dad always had a blast.

You stay until you give them the password.

>I've heard of some people bringing cleaned laptops with them to China because they're afraid of sensitive work material being stolen, but now you have to do the same thing in the US?
What indoctrinated shithole have you been living in, OP? The US has been the very worst in the world on this matter from day one.

good because decent hotels are 200$ a night

I've never had them check any of my devices and I fly with two laptops two tablets and two phones.

>Best Game: Pokemon Go

No retard. I work at JPL. We are issued work phones with high security that we can get emails or other information on. You are also allowed to take it to other "non hostile" countries. The TSA just isn't supposed to touch it.

This. I've traveled across the globe and never had my phone or laptop checked.

One day user....one day.

Enjoy your free rectal inspection every 2 hours, user.

I had cucumbers up there.They can't hurt me unless they stick their whole fist in.

Unplug your hard drive before you go
I bet they won't be able to fix it
Tell me it's a broken laptop

he gave them access. how can he be trusted with sensitive information, especially if he's got TS SCI clearence. and that was just some chump TSA agents

hmm wonder why not?

You literally get a bunk with a bunch of other people and that's it. Probably share a bathroom with one toilet that's cleaned every 2 weeks too.

post pics

>broken laptop
It's probably a bomb. Prepare to be probed anally.

Because I'm not on a watch list like a retarded activist / journalist / college student.

You're probably on their ignore filter.

Kill yourself, you dumb fucking shit stain.

u jelly, fat fuck?

Oh, so this doesn't have data like texts and who you've called? Interesting.

Actually, completely fucking wrong.


FACEBOOK IS THE DARPA LIFELOG. LOOK IT UP.

Bitrot is your friend.

You're a NEET. Important people need access to information.

No criminal record, no online presence, no activity with any groups that have public records.

If your name pops up that you were at some abortion rally they know you are a huge faggot that stirs shit up and they will search your ass.

How do you access Sup Forums then? Everyone on Sup Forums is on at least 1 watchlist.

They can't put you on a watch list with an ip address.

I find it hard to grasp what the problem could be here. This was all common sense and predictable by any rube with a couple brain cells to rub together since the 80's. Feds likely had all phone communications to a degree monitored prior to the 80's. The detail and scope were the things that were improved upon up to now. If you have lived to be at least thirty or forty years old you should already be at the point where the more things change the more they stay the same. The cycles and repetition of these issues is a pattern. Now instead of just checking your papers or wallet and personal effects they check your digital profile. Who could've knew or guessed? Give me a fucking break.

Even in the 80's it was common knowledge even for kids that the FED/CIA had huge server farms listening to every godamn word you said.

>travelling to third world countries where one in nine bridges are structurally deficient, 716 people for every 100,000 are in prison, gun crime is 20 times more common than the average in other developed nations, healthcare isn't guaranteed to all citizens, 45% of citizens have no access to public transport, infant mortality is the highest in the developed world, life expectancy is lower than Nicaragua and Bangladesh and they still use imperial measurements

Forget brutalist border guards, you should be more surprised that you don't have to shit into a hole in the ground at the airport

How disingenuous. I bet you have a neat story involving a BMX bike and jumping curbs.

>Now instead of just checking your papers or wallet and personal effects they check your digital profile.
Searching your person for illegal physical items is completely different from looking through private information on your devices.
I have had my wallet examined at airports,but they never looked at what's written on random cards or pieces of paper I had in there.They were only interested in drugs,weapons etc.

>where one in nine bridges are structurally deficient
This sounds bad until you realize that it's still better than other countries lololol
>716 people for every 100,000 are in prison
Are you black? Because if you're not, I wouldn't worry about it. Thanks, racism.
>gun crime is 20 times more common than the average in other developed nations
This is a really dumb metric. I could say knife crime is 20 times more common than the average in the UK as well.

Think of it this way: retards shouted with glee that gun related deaths in the UK plummeted after firearms were banned.

Except you're a fucking retard. The ACTUAL HOMICIDE RATE did not decline even 1%. All the people who would have killed you with a gun instead resorted to other shit. That gun ban did not save a single life. Period.

The problem with gun violence in america is that america is a violent country. THere is a lot of crime. You can ban all the guns you want and have a wizard wave his wand and have them all magically disappear off the streets and black market, yet there would still be an equal amount of crime year after year, because you did not solve the problem.

>45% of citizens have no access to public transport,
We have a lot of space. It would be retarded to spend millions running public transit through a cornfield in middle America. This is also a shitty statistic: even though there isn't a public bus transit or subway for 45% of the population, there is certainly transport. There are a shit ton of buses everywhere. Greyhound, etc. They're also pretty fucking cheap and generally more comfortable than public transport.


>healthcare isn't guaranteed to all citizens,
This kind of goes hand in hand with infant mortality and life expectancy, which is definitely a real problem and a big downside here (if you're poor).

That's not much worse than most other places in the world,to be honest.
For instance,free healthcare does not equal good healthcare.
Even in countries known for relatively humane healthcare you still have to go to private clinics if you want high quality treatments and examinations with reasonable waiting times.

>jumping curbs
Its called a bunny hop.
*rolls eyes*

I'm actually an immigrant and travel with an Iranian passport. Whoever claims TSA targets ethnic people is a retard.

I would give them access too if I was arrested. Always comply first, question later in court room.

I would come at it from a different angle. You go through a vetting process in just about everything you do in the USA. Driver's license, certifications, and more. Collecting them is likely tiered. Just because you don't think they notice all this information doesn't mean it goes unnoticed (or collected).

grats on getting detained on suspicion for owning one of these

not having a smartphone is eyebrow-raising, more so if you have no social media accounts to sort through as well

>two external drives and two laptops.

Reducing that to one laptop and one external drive should greatly reduce chances of being searched.

>Always comply first, question later in court room
Even if complying means breaking the law?

This is very true. I get astonished looks and gasps when asked for my linkedin or facebook. No google services or other botnets. Everything is done via home server over vpn at home and on phone anyways. It's not foolproof or secure. I do have a flip phone and a smart phone though. Smart phones are really good for taking that shit imo.

Yes they can

>Always comply first
>allow rights to be violated
>hand over potentially sensitive information that doesn't belong to you to basically an airport mall cop
>being such a beta cuck

I really doubt anyone is interested in what pictures I have in my reaction folders and what kind of porn I watch.
They can just look through my police record or ask me if they need certain info.

Nokia Snake is literally better than any smartphone app game I played as well.

nothing to hide, nothing to fear

>Good, fuck off we're full anyway.
Oh, so you don't want tourism dollars.

>I'm actually an immigrant and travel with an Iranian passport.

man, you are probably going to run into some trouble with this in the future

best of luck

Tourism dollars from welfare recipient refugees?

>The TSA just isn't supposed to touch it.
he should have had his JPL ID while being in a federal government facility (ie. customs), and have his superiors deal with it while he was detained.

I'm late in replying, but yes they can

and I don't think you're lucky if you have a dynamic ip either, you're likely already on one once they figure out who was using the dynamic ip at that time

It's not 1940's anymore.Nobody wants to move to the US except a bunch of dirt poor mexican farmers and drug dealers.

I agree with you that people could care less what you do in most situations as long as they aren't involved. Thankfully.

It also doesn't require a weekly update from an app store so your reminded of it's existence.

I was talking to my coworker who knows the guy. He apparently had his JPL badge, but the customs guy was just too retarded to understand what it was

Dynamic IP doesn't make a difference since it hardly changes these days anyways. It's not like you're dialing up to a modem bank every time to get on the internet. The IP is tied to the Mac/ID of the modem anyways which ties the household or device (phone) to the user.

Obviously you have never handled TS-SCI level information before and how gravely it would end for you to give up that information to a lowly TSA Agent.

wow, customs always exceeds my expectations

>This sounds bad until you realize that it's still better than other countries lololol
It's always going to be better than some other countries, the problem is that you're defending it because it's not the worst.

You can't possibly determine if the officer is right or wrong at an airport. There are always small measures and exceptions in laws that you might not be aware of. Unless you want to end up handcuffed and spend the night in a cell (possibly also rack up a disobedience charge), you better comply and leave arguing to the lawyers.

That being said, I would warn them that the device contains sensitive information and they should contact NASA before handling it.

Most information at JPL isn't really top secret. It's just subject to ITAR/EAR. So I doubt he was dealing with top secret information here.

>Think of it this way: retards shouted with glee that gun related deaths in the UK plummeted after firearms were banned.
>Except you're a fucking retard. The ACTUAL HOMICIDE RATE did not decline even 1%. All the people who would have killed you with a gun instead resorted to other shit. That gun ban did not save a single life. Period.
The rate of violent attacks resulting in injury declined from 1995, when there were 56 incidents per 1,000 adults, to 15 incidents in 2015. This is a drop of 73% - higher even than the decline in gun crime.

>This is very true. I get astonished looks and gasps when asked for my linkedin or facebook.

are you saying the feds ask you about this?

Good, they can stay out.

Also latest NASA update regarding space exploration:

"Agency Update – Feb. 15, 2017

Good morning! As I've discussed before, we continue working closely with the transition team. The members of the team are excited to be a part of this great agency and everyone is committed to keeping you informed of developments. I know you’ve been reading a lot in the media and hearing from colleagues about what may or may not be our future direction. I want you to know that when those decisions are made, you’ll hear it from me.

From my interactions with the transition team, NASA is clearly a priority for the President and his administration. Since most of you weren’t able to join me today at the Space Launch System/Orion Suppliers Conference, I wanted to share what I told that group. I told them how critical their work is to our future – to the nation’s future and our next giant leaps in exploration.

I shared that we've already hit a lot of milestones, and the next ones are on the close horizon. It’s a testament to your hard work that we were able to say that last year, and we’re confidently able to say it again this year.

The magnitude of what we’re doing with SLS and Orion is incredible, as are the capabilities we’re creating for this nation, which will take humans farther than we ever have before.

At NASA, we’re leveraging the very best the country has to offer on this work, and it’s advancing the national economy."

As the Acting Administrator, my perspective is that we are on the verge of even greater discoveries. President Trump said in his inaugural address that we will “unlock the mysteries of space.” Accordingly, it is imperative to the mission of this agency that we are successful in safely and effectively executing both the SLS and Orion programs....

... Related to that, I have asked Bill Gerstenmaier to initiate a study to assess the feasibility of adding a crew to Exploration Mission-1, the first integrated flight of SLS and Orion. I know the challenges associated with such a proposition, like reviewing the technical feasibility, additional resources needed, and clearly the extra work would require a different launch date. That said, I also want to hear about the opportunities it could present to accelerate the effort of the first crewed flight and what it would take to accomplish that first step of pushing humans farther into space. The SLS and ORION missions, coupled with those promised from record levels of private investment in space, will help put NASA and America in a position to unlock those mysteries and to ensure this nation’s world preeminence in exploring the cosmos.

There has been a lot of speculation in the public discourse about NASA being pulled in two directions – what has come before and what we want to do now. At NASA, this is an “and” proposition, not an “or.” To get where we want to go, we need to work with the companies represented at the SLS and ORION suppliers conference AND those industry partners that work with us in other areas across the country – all of whom have the long-term view on this work. We must work with everyone to secure our leadership in space – and we will.

This is indeed an exciting time for our agency, and I know all of us share in this enthusiasm. I admire your passion and energy, and I want you to know how important you are to the success of the team and to the future of NASA. Your innovation and creative thinking will drive America’s influence in the coming years and decades.

Stay focused. Thanks for all you are doing every day, and I will share more with you in future updates.

Robert"

Good, you deserve to be searched. Only libtard cucks are against this, fucking niggers.

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Exactly, anyone against extensive searches of their phone and computer is a degenerate pedo or terrorist, nothing to hide so nothing to fear.

If people actually cared beyond making a forum post they would've paid more heed to Ron or Rand Paul and a few others.

You could be using the same IP for years and if you don't give out your personal information its basically impossible for them to put you on a watch list.

What the fuck are they going to do run your ID and say oh this guy is 53.44.111.111?

An IP address isn't you, its just a number. They aren't going to intercept every IP that posts on Sup Forums and then subpoena the identity of the owner of that connection and then assume its them, it just doesn't work that way.

>You could be using the same IP for years and if you don't give out your personal information its basically impossible for them to put you on a watch list.

what makes you think this

>An IP address isn't you, its just a number. They aren't going to intercept every IP that posts on Sup Forums and then subpoena the identity of the owner of that connection and then assume its them, it just doesn't work that way.

they don't have to, have you not heard of Edward Snowden?

This is common practice in EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH now, not just the Excited States of Trumperica.

If you fly into Beijing, Dubai, or even the UK and you are any kind of important scientist or executive or known hacker they're taking your phone and demanding access to it. This is why for years everybody has used 'travel kits' for these countries, where you create temporary email accounts to interact with people, all using new unused password and use them on a craigslist bought cheap phone just for the duration of the trip. After you return you either wipe and sell the device, or consider it totally compromised and never touch it again until you travel again.

My coworker is a PhD in program synthesis/AI research. Every country he flies to they confiscate all his items and demand access to them.

Yes, but those 2 can't control all of congress. What would happen is some spy would get/out of the US with secrets and congress would demand these security measures, just like every single other country on earth has already implemented. There's nothing they could do about it or even the POTUS really as they would be impeached if said POTUS created a XO that went against the security wishes of congress they'd just argue he's endangering the country and kick him out.

All these countries mainly want blackmail material on world elites/scientists and access to industrial espionage. Terrorism and other crime is like way down the list of things a country wants when they ask for you to unlock all your social media accounts/email/phone/everything

I would like to think when they call my number, it is at least trips.

They don't look at your phone, they have a device that essentially pulls all your data and stores it on a remote server. The Federal government is literally making an archive of your contacts, messages, emails, photos, etc.

Since it is a border, you have no expectations of privacy and no warrant is required.

>This is common practice in EVERY COUNTRY ON EARTH now
No it's not. My sister has a PhD and does cancer research, she has traveled all over the world and she doesn't get her devices confiscated and access to them demanded.

Maybe your coworker is just a racial minority.

>The Federal government is literally making an archive of your contacts, messages, emails, photos, etc.

why do they want this

Even for citizens? TSA niggers are buttfucking freedom.

Your ISP is the one watching things for them. The feds don't sit around recording all that shit themselves. They have the ISPs and cell carriers do it. Then they collect the info at their leisure. If an agency wants to, they can simply ring up Comcast and ask for a list of all the customers that have visited certain webpages in recent history.

>Even for citizens?

yes

and it's not TSA it's border patrol agents