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good ram speed chart, maybe finally people will realize that ram speed is just as important as cpu clocks, and that the cpu can get bottlenecked by the memory, just like the gpu can get bottlenecked by the cpu
Nicholas Campbell
so what brand of GTX 1060 6G should i get?
Jason Morgan
So a Ryzen 1700X and a RX 4800 would be the best combo for streaming games on twitch, right?
Henry Lopez
Fast RAM is a good reason to get an overclocking board like a Z series, despite the extra expense. Let's say that the extra cost between the Z mobo and the fast RAM is $60. That's about 10% on top of a $600 build, an a lot of those games show about a 10% FPS increase. Also the RAM speed has an even bigger effect with less powerful CPUs, so getting an OC chipset with even a low powered CPU provides noticeable worthwhile benefits from a price/performance perspective.
Not to mention the other benefits to a Z mobo, like a better upgrade path and better turbo.
If you're streaming / making money off AAA games I'd say a 1070 will help keep you at max details and a good framerate
Nathan Diaz
How is this Ryzen build?
Liam Bell
You need to wait for benchmarks and figure out whether the B chipset supports XFR. Otherwise that CPU is clocked a little bit low for gaming
Angel Brown
the 8G RX model
Adrian Gonzalez
Actually I don't even think the 1700 supports XFR
Nathaniel Collins
Only the processor with the X behind it support XFR. The 1700 is designed to be sold to OEM.
Connor Price
Get at least 500w psu.
Juan Adams
So with ryzen out is there any reason to pay for expensive gaming water coolers/noctuas when you can just get a decent overclock on the stock cooler?
Really makes me think about all the money you save with Zen
Owen Wright
what RX 480 model then?
William Ortiz
>when you can just get a decent overclock on the stock cooler? 1700x and 1800x comes WOF. 1700 comes with Wraith Spire, not Wraith Max (the one that had 212 evo temp). Doubt you're going to get a decent overclock out of it.
Brody Cooper
not for that cpu, 1700 only sucks up 65 watts
Isaac Lee
Friendly reminder to not get the i5-6500 over an i5-4690k
Something like $60 less that you can spend on a better motherboard to overclock it with and get better performance
Aaron Butler
Did AMD say if they were releasing the 1700x without a cooler? I mean, I already have a Cryorig H7, and I would not use the stock cooler.
Hunter Hughes
Preorders on Amazon for the 1700x and 1800x don't have coolers. Just the 1700.
Parker Mitchell
best AM4 mATX mobo?
Caleb Morgan
They didn't, but that's what every retailer from every country is stating. 1700x & 1800x no cooler, 1700 Wraith Spire
We haven't seen much mobo so far. The cheapest i've seen was a $99 micro-atx one, 6 sata 1 PCIex16 and even a M.2 slot I'm hoping for lower price to be revealed in the following days.
Hunter Walker
So Kaby Lake is confirmed blunder of the century, right? Absolutely zero reason to buy it over Skylake?
Anthony Foster
For desktop where you're capable of overclocking yourself, yes it's pointless. For laptops, Kaby lake is almost a necessity with the lowered heat output
Justin Moore
Higher clock speeds. It's pretty much the same price, there's no reason to not get it desu.
Owen Morris
I mean not necessarily. We've seen Cinebench scores for Ryzen, but not any FPS tests, video/audio rendering tests. I still think the Kraby Lake i7 will have greater single-core performance.
Easton Nelson
I've seen 3 single thread benchmarks over the last few months (one of them is recent), in all of them the 6700 and 7700 win, everybody on Sup Forums said that they were inaccurate and that you shouldn't trust leaks
>video rendering tests We did see a Handbrake test, running alongside that 8core i7.
Noah Ramirez
so i wanted to build a gaming pc for about $800-$850 and then i heard about the new amd processor ryzen. what price is it going to be at? is it worth waiting for it?
Sebastian King
Video rendering has always been to AMDs advantage using every single core together whether or not the cores themselves are good. I mean this is a huge step for the Korean animation slave market. >audio rendering tests You can shut up now
Adam Bennett
OK, so I have a refurbished Dell optiplex 990 with 16 GB of RAM, an Intel i5 2500, and a GTX 560 TI 448. I've been thinking of getting a new case (ATX), and I need recommendations. Also I have a technical question. The motherboard has two pciex16 slots, and my 560 is a lil sluggish (I've still managed to get doom 4 to run at 60 fps tho). Is there anyway to SLI two 560s? >Inb4 get a better card, I bought the 560 for $50
Isaac King
3 processor releasing 02/03 All 3 have 8 core 16 thread 1700 cost $325, clocked at 3.0GHz with 3.7GHz boost, 65w tdp (comes with wraith spire cooler) 1700x cost $399, clocked at 3.4GHz with 3.8GHz Boost and has XFR (automatic overclocking based on specific cores temp and voltage), 95w TDP comes with no cooler 1800x cost $499, clocked at 3.6GHz with 4.0GHz boost, also has XFR, 95w TDP comes with no cooler
8 core for such a low price is basically a steal, compared to any current offer, but i doubt you're going to manage to fit them in a $850 budget considering the price. Usually you go with $200 processor for this type of budget.
The rest of the Ryzen line (6 cores 12 thread with/without XFR, 4 cores 8 thread with/without XFR) won't come out yet, no announce at all on when they are going to be released. Those would fit your budget more, though.
>is it worth waiting for it? Considering it releases march 2nd yes, it is worth waiting at least for the NDA to lift to see all the benchmarks coming out all at once providing you with all the information you need on the performance of those processors.
Gabriel Phillips
You can get hyperthreaded 8 cores for $100, doesn't mean you should Wait for Benchmarks
Lincoln Torres
lol
Jackson Walker
i wish these autistic journalist would stop browsing and talking about this website
Lucas Morgan
kek, he's right though I wish more of you motherfuckers would actually discuss and build home server stuff. I've got a dual Xeon workstation that needs to be replaced and a NAS that needs some serious capacity upgrades. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one here with that problem.
Andrew Flores
Also, Mobo is Dell 06D7TR
Christopher Jenkins
thanks does this pc build look good? im probably going drop the ssd for a 1tb hard drive and add a network and sound card
why not? i need to connect to my router through wifi. There is no possible way i can connect to it through ethernet .
About the sound card if my monitor has built in speakers i wont need a sound card right?
Ethan Ward
Yes, that is a pretty good looking build, can't go wrong with it.
Jackson Long
i might try and look for a cheaper monitor. Well price drops in general
Henry Lewis
Yo dudes need help.
So I'm a 3d artist. I use Cinema 4D and Octane (A gpu renderer)
I was just about to buy a new pc but then Ryzen just came out. Currently have 3770k, 16 ddr3 2xgtx 670s
Neverrr had anything amd before.
So, what am I looking at here? Can I just get the gtx1080 and the ddr4 ram I was going to get before and everything will work?
What good motherboards should I look at? I was looking at the asus x99 boards today before
Luis Hernandez
does anyone know of a pci usb card that uses mobo headers? I'd to add some extra usb ports to my computer, but i dont have any 5.25 bays that I cant use for a front panel expansion sort of thing, so i was wondering if there was perhaps a pci slot card that instead of using the pci-e interface simply got power from like a sata connector or molex and then used an onboard header for the data I hope this makes sense, i dont really know how to describe it other than this
Evan Morris
youtu.be/qTu7ryfKO5E Did AMD severely underclock the 7700k they had or something?
Grayson Miller
>About the sound card if my monitor has built in speakers i wont need a sound card right? Sound card is not for hearing audio, it's for "processing" it. If it's not "processed", your headset or speakers will not be able to broadcast it to you. It's integrated in the motherboard already. You won't need a Sound Card, you will however need an HDMI cable to transmit the sound (and image at the same time) from your computer to your monitor.
Chase Lewis
Will connecting my 4 radiator fans via a molex fan splitter to my cpu fan header work? My mobo has a dedicated pump header so I was going to use that with the pump. AIO is a h100iv2.
Nathaniel Walker
i would definitely wait. it's only another week or so before we should start seeing 3rd party reviews, and especially for people like you ryzen looks to be one hell of a deal as for motherboards, we dont really have much to go off of but pictures and basic specs, but im really liking asrock's offerings. The 2 m.2 ports make me moist, and the VRM design looks good
Blake Fisher
Why don't you take the metal bracket that is on your PC, drill out a USB shaped port, and hook a header to a cable terminating in a USB port
Levi Evans
Is that the motherboard where the M2 "shield" was confirmed to make the temps worse?
Jose Reed
yeah im going to wait, I can order the 1080 anyway because I can stick it in my current build
Connor Hill
>NAS that needs serious capacity upgrades my nigga, im looking to bump my nas from the 16tb zfs2 ive got now to either 32tb or 48tb later this year, ill have to migrate to another case but im ok with that also looking to build a dual xeon with some used 2670s, and throw some used server ECC in there too, i do a lot with virtualization so the extra cores and ram would really be nice. Hell ive even played with the idea of using some of the power from those 2 chips and putting my nas and desktop all in one, just running FreeNAS virtualized with pci-e passthrough for a sas board and then just using the rest of the cpu power for everything else still havent decided though whatever happened to the home server general? there used to be one almost every day, or at least every few days
Elijah Smith
thanks
Nathan Long
>m.2 shield i think you're talking about the asus sabertooth? but i have no fucking clue if thats not it go for it man, idk much about 1080s, i dont need much gpu horsepower and my fury x is more than enough for what i do, but if you're still looking for suggestions i know a couple of guys that have gone with EVGA and they are all super happy with the support and performance. the new ICX cards look awesome. i think you would be fine to go ahead and order the ddr4 but there's talk that memory speeds might significantly affect the performance on the new chips, given the dual channel and all that. so i would wait, but if you order that now order the fastest you can afford
Jayden Barnes
There was this one motherboard Gamers Nexus did an article about where it had this thing of metal that was supposed to "shield" the M.2 drive from heat, though all it did was hotbox the drive.
Nathan Flores
>Can I just get the gtx1080 and the ddr4 ram I was going to get before and everything will work? Yes
>So, what am I looking at here? 8 cores 16 thread at $400 performing the same as a $1100 i7 6900k. Professional workload always have benefited a LOT from cores and thread, so Ryzen does look to be the best choice for you right now. I would advise as that other user said to wait for 3rd party benchmark anyway, but every benchmark (both the supervised & non supervised ones) we've seen so far show the performance to be on par with the $1100 i7 6900k if not better.
We did see Cinebench scores, a lot of them in fact (Cinebench is a benchmark based on the very Cinema 4D you use) from various reviewers, look extremely promising and the world record has already been broken by those Ryzen CPU. Your current CPU has 4 cores 8 thread, the Ryzen CPU coming out in less than two weeks will all offer double that. And Cinema4D scale heavily from both cores and threads, as you can see here: greyscalegorilla.com/2010/11/12-core-vs-8-core-vs-2-core-cinema-4-render-speed-test/
Ryzen looks very promising for you. NDA will lift during release day, you can't go wrong by waiting so wait and you'll see for yourself all the 3rd party review showing the very same promising results we've seen so far.
Ryder Jackson
I just need cuda cores for my gpu renderer, im gonna keep a 670 and run my monitors of that and just have the 1080 chuggin away! I dont think i even need an sli bridge
John Sanchez
fucking boner. Just need to find a good mobo for 150ish
Isaiah Sullivan
I guess I've never really noticed a need for a home server except as a glorified share folder on network option. Maybe that outs me as someone who has no business being here.
Nolan Carter
yeah that sounds similar to the idea behind the "armor" on the asus board as far as i can tell the new asrock boards that have the 2 m.2 slots dont have anything retarded like that on them, and the idea of being able to fit 2 m.2 on the board is really drawing me, that saves space in other areas where an ssd would have to go i know that isn't a huge deal for a lot of people, but keeping 2 extra sata ports open is a big deal for me, and the bonus of having 2 drives with m.2 performance is awesome if you just need cuda for the render you might want to look at getting 2 used 980ti, it would be about the same price, maybe a little more than a 1080 but you'll get much better performance and you wont need an sli bridge, you couldnt even connect those 2 cards to begin with, and beyond that sli is only for gaming afaik. for computer and render projects the way that gpu are viewed is much different than in games
Alexander Jenkins
I'm no pc tech, I only have layman level understanding of chip architecture etc so correct me if i'm wrong, but since the 7700k has a higher IPC rate, and it also clearly outperforms intel's octacore processors during gaming, why are people that are gonna use pcs for games getting hyped over ryzen?
I get that some people need 8 cores for graphic design and shit, so ye the price drop from 1100 to 400usd is amazing, but the 7700k is cheaper than ryzen and will most likely outperform it in games. so what's the hype? am i missing something? will octacore be such a must in a few years and ill regret buying a 7700k now?
Jose Howard
>Building
Isaac Edwards
>gonna use pcs for games getting hyped over ryzen? High core count getting mainstream is a huge deal and it means a higher likelyhood of game developpers optimising for it. Also, because Intel has been jewing the fuck out of them for a decade now. AMD is offering $1100 performance for $400, which is obviously good for any gamer as it will end up having a major impact on the CPU market: either the prices for CPU will lower, or the performance will improve. In anyway, you'll be getting better perf per $. Ryzen is not just AMD catching up to Intel, it's Intel getting thrown violently to the ground.
>but the 7700k is cheaper than ryzen 7700K is at $330, Ryzen R7 1700 cost $325 and comes close in singlethreaded performance, while having double the core and thread. DX12 and Vulkan games already see major gains with a higher core and thread count.
Even if a lot of games don't use above 4 cores, it only means that you'll have 4 core entirely free where you can run any demanding app on without affecting your gaming performance at all.
The hype is mostly about it disrupting completely the market and prices.
Adrian Flores
>comes close in singlethreaded performance, while having double the core and thread
how do you know that? there haven't been benches between the 1700 and the 7700k. doesn't the 7700k have higher ipc?
>Even if a lot of games don't use above 4 cores, it only means that you'll have 4 core entirely free where you can run any demanding app on without affecting your gaming performance at all
so you're saying i couldn't run firefox and a game with 7700k and 16gb ram? i highly doubt that user
dunno, i just might be negatively prejudiced against amd. i have serious precautions against buying their shit, i guess ill have to wait for real game benchmarks and see. what i dread the most is buying a 4core processor for it to become obsolete in 3 years, i'm not rich by any stretch of the word so when i fork 2k on a pc i expect it to be at least mid range in 7yrs or so
Asher Roberts
The 7700k absolutely smashed both ryzen, the 6800 and the 6900k in single thread performance
Joshua Adams
also from what i've seen, even the 1800x wont go past 4ghz. ipc aside, how will 3.4 ghz compete with 5ghz in single-core performance?
Gavin Mitchell
Suggestions for bang for buck? Never plan on doing SLI, should I get one of those 4/8 core/thread things?
Any suggestions appreciate, built this comp about 3 years ago (760 was a upgrade to a warranty'd 660ti 2 years ago). Served me good for $500but feeling the age, especially once I touched Dying Light.
Was the first comp I built that was completely from scratch.
Angel Williams
Ryzen+ RX 480
Logan Hill
>also from what i've seen, even the 1800x wont go past 4ghz. What? 1800x can go up to 4.1GHz with XFR on what the wraith spire cooler.
Josiah Ramirez
that's what I'm guessing.
Hudson Sanders
You've seen some bad info then
Chase Mitchell
is that the stock cooler?
Cameron Garcia
do link me some correct info user, i'm not claiming to be an expert or anything i'm just saying what i've read
AMD has 3 stock cooler: Wraith stealth (65w), Wraith spire (95w) and Wraith max (145w) Wraith spire is bundled with R7 1700 R7 1700x & R7 1800x doesn't come with cooler. They used their own cooler but it won't actually come with the CPU it was used with.
what you said makes no sense. also, several websites say that the 1800x comes with wraith max
Adrian Perez
I'm probably going for the 1700.
John Williams
Those websites are wrong
Robert Cook
from informatica cero
>To begin with we see that the AMD Ryzen 7 1800X uses a box in gray with orange and will feature the Wraith Max cooler. This has a TDP of 140W and has a weight of 0.545Kg. Its dimensions are 105mm in length, 108mm in width and 85mm in height.
I'm guessing the wraith max might come in bundles with mobo + cpu + cooler.
Asher Smith
says the guy who use to beg people to send him their computer parts so he could build them on stream. he's a fucking tool. >wow i know how to connect da compoter parts am so kool xDD starcraft 2 tots isnt dead as my career!
Nicholas Mitchell
What's the point of "clock speed boost" when you can just overclock your CPU?
Are these CPUs made to run optimally at the "boost speed" but just throttle down in most cases to conserve power and produce less heat?
When you overclock a CPU is it constantly running at that speed and doesn't throttle down automatically?
Colton Barnes
youtube.com/watch?v=dkCc98makG4 Seems like the wooden boxes we've seen are what you'll be receiving if you order a Ryzen bundle
Thomas Wood
What's the Ryzen equivalent to an i5? R5 1600x?
Eli Jenkins
1600x is 6core 12 thread Would most likely be an 1400
Ryder Lee
why would they offer it only for the cheapest model? makes no sense
Justin King
ah ye you're right, looking closer at the leaks it says cooler for the "multipack" option
Jordan Hill
Because Intel has the best business model and they're trying to attain that while still seeming like they're "on the buyers side"
John Ward
is paying 120 euros for cooler and additional 50 for 1700x worth it over the 1700?
i could buy gtx 1080ti instead of 1080 for that money difference
