9May Day of Victory

Happy Day of Victory every1!

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Friednly reminder

But I just lost my CSGO match what are you talking about

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Oh my. What a delicate trolling.

This one is better

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>1941-1945
TRIGGERED

Hahaha. There is no victory for you.

What time will victory parade start?
Which cunts/leaders will be there?

UTC 07:00.
Duno about "leaders" and staff.

Any new tonks n sheit?

In two hours?

"We received trucks, boots, medical supplies, and radios by the thousands from the Americans. Really, victory would not have been possible without them. Yet it is now made to seem as if we had all these things ourselves in abundance."

-- Georgi Zhukov

We are grateful for your participation.
But radios and supplyes dont win wars. Although it helped a lot.

I want one
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Wrong chan.Getchan is the perfect place for this post
getchan.net/

Is it better?

Hi Ukie. Keep hokholing?
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuremberg_trials

Wrong lunk comrad.This nazi crap is here
>en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Insurgent_Army

It's like a communist Sup Forums

Do you know that Americans made crystal white Pepsi for Jukov?

Did Pepsi even exist back then?

Keep up the good job hardworking comrade.

Greetings from burger land

I don't think so, and it definitely was coca -cola.

High quality animation.

"victory"

How about some war songs before the parade begins
youtube.com/watch?v=YkyG8b8pbbw

C 71-oй гoдoвщинoй пoбeды в Beликoй Oтeчecтвeннoй Boйнe !!!

Parade starts in under 30 minutes.

youtube.com/watch?v=rPzrWcN_rLo

I looked it up. The name "Pepsi-Cola" was used in WWII times and it wasn't shorted to Pepsi until 1961.

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The Wehrmacht would have lost in the end simply due to the sheer size of the USSR, however without LL aid, it would have been considerably longer and more protracted.

It's interesting to think about what would have happened if we didn't send them all those supplies, while after Nazis surrendered they would have attempted to invade mainland Japan

I wonder how many more Soviet men would have been lost?

Thanx alot, India!

That's one of my favorite Cold War facts.

It's a shame the US and USSR couldn't get along. While there some obviously compatibility issues with our governments, we both wanted to promote democracy and both could have learned from each other.

The USSR was such an interesting country, and although I disagree with a lot of its ideas the Soviet forces in WW2 were some of the most valiant troops in world history.

Its habbening

>democracy
Something like that, I suppose

I'm just upset they didn't have any units full of wandering horse mounted Central Asian Dragoons or something lol

>we both wanted to promote democracy

It did, although Zhukov drank Coke.

A Russian friend told me that in Russia people say "Pepsi" to mean soft drink, because Pepsi was the first soft drink sold in the USSR. Might be regional.

Is this leftypol for tankies?

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>ussr kills all its people and goes full retard
>usa kills some of its people and goes full retard
>somehow strongest powers in world

The USSR saw itself as being "more democratic" than the US. Democracy doesn't just mean voting.

While the USSR had no elections, the state served (on paper) as a surrogate for the proletariat. Elections were banned due to the belief that the bourgeoisie always win. Hardcore Marxist-Leninists would look at the US and say we were not truly democratic, because all the candidates were wealthy. In addition, the Soviets saw capitalist hierarchy as soft feudalism, and believed no system in which capitalism is the norm could really give the proletariat a proper voice.

This was obviously bullshit, because by Stalin's time the USSR was governed by an elite that was no more representative of the people than the US elite was. This, paired with Stalin's nationalism, meant that the poor were still being oppressed. But we need to keep in mind that most Soviet politicians really thought they were doing the right thing. Even Stalin was still a die-hard Marxist. He was a monster, but was convinced that his purges were necessary to stop the bourgeoisie from retaking Russia and enslaving the proletarians.

Ironically, the nature of the Soviet system created its own bourgeoisie no less powerful or exclusive than the one that ruled the Russian Empire. Many politicians recognised flaws in their own government, but like many American politicians, believed it was better than the alternative.

Solzhenitsyn is liar and nationalist, it's proved multiple times.

Victory Day isn't until September, silly!

USSR was a democratic state, we just had the direct democracy through the soviet system. Of course not in Stalin rule, but before and later soviets were pretty democratic. There were much more possibilities for average man to change anything than we have now, journalists were a serious power, you could raise the questions in the soviet meeting etc. The only troubles were that you could not promote capitalism, religion, nationalism and other things contradicting to party blatantly.

>A Russian friend told me that in Russia people say "Pepsi" to mean soft drink, because Pepsi was the first soft drink sold in the USSR. Might be regional.
It's not, people say Cola or Pepsi meaning special products. There is word limonad for soft drinks.

This is a second Victory day.

>Italy

For once, I don't think Italy would actually switch.

Bullshit, we had elections to soviets of lower level, and soviets of lower level elected people to soviets of higher level.

>A war in which a great evil was defeated by an even greater evil

>poor were still being oppressed
Poor were not opressed in Stalin times, lol. Life quality thrived because he provided people with jobs, housing. Peasants were collectivised that made agricultural industry very powerful. He opressed more party member and intellectuals he has seen as unloyal, usual people lived good under Stalin (that's why so many people love him in Russia and would like to bring him back).

>Baahhh nazis lost.
That's right nazi.

Этo типa пpeдмeт гopдocти для тeбя? Дoлбoeб.

инбифo змaгap кo-кo-кo

Sure, but the Soviet system was less representative than the American because the average Soviet citizen had very little say in their own policymaking. The American system promotes better results, because bad or corrupt politicians will be voted out of office.

That said, American democracy is not perfect, and until the 1960s many black Americans were effectively barred from voting.

It's interesting if Japan dont attack USA and if somehow Nazi gonna win war, do US join as allies with them ? :3

Honestly if nobody attacked us or anything near us we probably wouldn't have entered at all t.bh

that would have been interesting, too

Stalin couldn't even properly feed his own army at the start of WW2 user; and the collectivization of farms was causing widespread starvation

Wasn't the definition of "promoting capitalism" ridiculously broad? Just look at how the music of Shostakovich was banned. And while Milos Forman's films never promoted any kind of hierarchy, their silly criticism of Soviet-style politics led to a widespread ban.

I don't like capitalism, but I think it's wrong to oppress those who do. Dissent is natural and promotes accountability. It should be the duty of a socialist stare to give its citizens no incentive to want capitalism.

Congratulations on your great victory of good vs. evil

What a bullshit, Russians hated church and killed priests massively during revolution. Many people welcomed Germans at first because they believed Germans would bring German lifestyle with them, but they brought fire and death. Also no one sane in Russia would call a good person crusader, because we fought the crusades and it's a part of our national myth (Alexandr Nevskiy, dog knights of Teuton order, etc) and crusaders are seen as scum invaders.

We would've gotten war declared on us by Germany at some point or another, because of our supplying of the Allies.
That or Germany would've sunk one of our ships like in WWI

Fascism will never be a viable ideology again. Socialism is rising throughout the world.

Stay bluepilled, silly little reactionary. Mr. Moneybags thanks you for your support every time he financially cucks you.

Socialism has been dead since 1989. RIP.

URAAAAAAAAA1111!!!!!!
>Finland don't have this feel.

>200 000 crovatian deaths
most of them were after the war
also
>crovatia

Well maybe that's one thing Hitler would have learned from the first world war

imagine us not having a pacific theater and being able to send all of our troops and supplies to one place instead of splitting them basically in half, we may have gotten to Berlin a little before the Soviets did if that was so

>good
>evil
are you 12 years old?

I hope you remember thanking United States of America and United Kingdom for saving your sorry excuse of a country. Soviets would been overrun without their help.

>because we fought the crusades and it's a part of our national myth (Alexandr Nevskiy, dog knights of Teuton order, etc)
Forgot the 300 years of wars with the Ottoman Empire.

Soviet system was not less representative, we just had a big filtering machine. You had to be a good politician to pass all levels of soviet system. We had no corruption during USSR times except some very rare cases.

>Battle of Moscow

I think it could be argued that USSR was more democratic if you don't constrain yourself to US definition of democracy. Most people who came to occupy important positions in the USSR (the elite you mention) came from very modest backgrounds and worked their way up the party/government ladder relying on their talents and dedication. Unlike China, there were few cases when children of powerful people became involved in government themselves. You could say that the elite you are talking about came from the people, so it was a democratic system. Whereas in Western countries governing was always a job for the upper class.

I think poor people were still oppressed, even if things were an improvement from Imperial times. Under Stalin, workers had little rights and were often forced to work long hours in poor conditions. He also gave workers less direct power than they had under Lenin, because he wanted tighter control of the economy.

This documents the problem pretty well:

reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/4dp7ze/workers_rights_was_central_to_every_aspect_of/d1ty29u

Ottomans were not crusaders and it usually were we who attacked them first, what do you mean?

URAAAAAA

He wouldn't have just let us keep feeding Britain and arming the Soviets unfettered. Besides, our military (land, not Navy) was outdated and small before we entered the war. We really militarized quickly because Pearl Harbor rallied our entire population

>improvement from imperial times
At the beginning of WWI Russia was the fastest growing economy on earth

is that a gypsy veteran? what is he

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The whole thing where the tsars believed they were waging a holy war to recover Constantinople from kebab.

But the machine was anti-democratic. Inhibiting democracy because of ideology is just as bad as inhibiting democracy through wealth.

Preventing dissent hurts accountability, because politicians have less of an incentive to perform well.

>Under Stalin, workers had little rights
No, all the governing was revolving around workers rights. Also they all had 8 hour work day, the only hard thing was you could be put in prison for being late more than 15 minutes.

That's correct, although I believe state-mandated ideology is bad both ethically and practically.

The USSR could have legally prevented capitalist exploitation without banning all dissenting political parties.

Happy day I wish.

I'm talking about improvements as felt by the people. You can discuss GDP all you want, but if the benefit is only felt by the upper crust, I'm not too interested.

>Unlike China, there were few cases when children of powerful people became involved in government themselves
The Soviet system in the last 20 years did become an oligarchy, after which it imploded on itself.
>Whereas in Western countries governing was always a job for the upper class
This is true of Europe with its hereditary gentry, but not the US which has always in theory had complete class mobility. Most of our presidents were from modest backgrounds. I mean, the current guy is the son of some white trash single mom with a chocolate fetish.

Enjoy
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That's kind of hard to quantity.

Stalin took away workers' power to bargain for different conditions and persecuted strikers. That's reactionary.

Not really, it was more about nationalism (we should liberate brothers Slavs) than about religion. We always had a lot of Muslims who fought Ottomans as well. And crusaders are pure catholic thing, people see them as scum and enemies, as I mentioned it's a part of our identity. People here really hate West and Europe and Nevskiy was a guy who fought European crusades.

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Ew are they national Bolsheviks?

Agreed, that's why assessing quality of life is so difficult.

Labor unions were completely verboten in communist states and when you did have episodes like the Novocherkassk strikes in 1962, it proved a grave embarrassment to the Soviet leadership since if the USSR was the workers' paradise, why would the workers go on strike?

Are these orthodox communists?

nah