Why is this guy called an "Emperor" in English?

Why is this guy called an "Emperor" in English?

An Emperor is someone who rules an Empire, i.e. territories including multiple ethnic groups.

Japan was not an Empire, except for a brief period in the 1930s/1940s.

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ofcos we don't call him Emperor.
He is Ten nou Heika =天皇陛下

>=天皇陛下
this literally translates to emperor

Japanese insisted westerners give him the highest titles in the traditional European system of titles. I.e. Emperor.

Anyway, 天皇 is just the Japanese version of 皇帝

why do you call her "queen"? shouldn't she be called "sultana"?

Only 天皇 means "emperor". 陛下 = "majesty", like his Majesty, your Majesty, etc.

Because Britain called our 天皇陛下 emperor.

It is because there is no words instead of 天皇陛下.
It is same that kami-sama in Japan isn't actually God.

it's just for convenience. but the meanings and history differ

kek, at this point she is going to "rule" over more muslims than christians

No, it was insisted upon by Japanese diplomats as a way of putting the Japanese monarchy on an equal footing with the imperial emperors of China.

"Emperor" comes from "Imperator" in Latin, it refers to Emperor because Augustus had "imperium" over several provinces, i.e. not just one. Japan would have just been one Roman province and its ruler would have been translated as "Rex".

Like your left doesn't kiss Muslim ass just as much as ours. All the bullshit about Cordoba and Al-Andalus comes from them.

Emperor in western countries is different from 皇帝 in the eastern countries.
In China, there were many 皇帝 who didn't govern China.
I think this translation is incorrect and brits should call "tennou" from now on.

In your theory, Wasn't he a Emperor in China, if he didn't govern China?

while we're at it, how do japs feel about akihito? is he seen the same way as brits see their monarchs, lovable figureheads, or is his position a little more serious in the minds of the japanese?

i mean it was only 70 years ago when the japanese literally thought hirohito was divine

>In China, there were many 皇帝 who didn't govern China.

Are you talking about 战国时代?

All left is shit but the UK, Germany, etc. is having a harder time with Moors than us in Iberia. How did you let this happen?

>sultana
Feminists killed off the English suffixes for female and now it's being replaced by Mexican grammar.

add to info

We though 天皇陛下 meaning is like the king in english, but Britain taught us he's emperor in english. Maybe you guys wanted to distinguish the west and the east. Europa had the king.

He is given a sort of reverence the Queen over here doesn't have. Genuine respect.

It's funny how much netouyos love him, because there are leaked documents showing many members of the Imperial Family were opposed to Japanese aggression, Prince Mikasa for example.

Even Hirohito stopped visiting the Yasukuni shrine because of the internment of war criminals there, these were revealed in leaked documents.

In your explanation, Tennou isn't same as Emperor.

Oh shit britcucks got rekt.

>it's being replaced by Mexican grammar.

Explain.

That's not true, he is called an Emperor because the Japanese diplomats insisted upon it. He was considered a king by early western visitors, like Anjin Miura.

There are 29 Emperors who became Emperor when they were babies.
Tbh they cannot govern China.

Correct.
天皇 isn't an Emperor in the western countries' meanings.
Brits should call our 天皇陛下 with the other name from Emperor.

This info is worng.
We didn't think "天皇" is like King.

The Japanese empire has Ainu. The people from Hokkaido also differ greatly from those of Okinawa.

Ainu weren't even considered subjects of any Japanese polity until quite recently.

He could have said sultaness.

are you retarded?

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sultana_(title)

Why was the Buddha so arrogant?

>nips called their royalty divine
Why are japs such beta submissive manlets?

There's nothing wrong with respecting your royal house.

Look at where your fifth republic has gotten you, mudslimes and nigs everywhere.

Is Keisari/Keiser more appropriate?

>mudslimes and nigs everywhere.

ah yes, britain, completely different from this.

Because at the end of ww2 america decided japan could keep their emperor.

Because we proclaimed it, it remains true even to this day.

Θεός, Alah, God, 神, Kami, etc
all differ by historical phase and region

useless ''debate''

Yeah, and some time before that the Japanese empire included Korea and Taiwan. But Japan was already an empire before that.
The true reason we call ourselves an empire has to do with China. Historically the Chinese emperor considered himself the ruler of every human being below the heaven, so to declare that we are no subject of China we had to declare ourselves an empire as well.

fuck off betrayer with less respect to royal. we Japanese citizens support our emperor.

European royalties welcome niggers with open arms, because they are inbred degenerates.

Unsurprisingly the most anti-immigration countries in europe are the eastern european countries, because they are democracies rather than monarchies, thus representing the will of the people.

>Sultana wife, mother, daughter, or concubine of a sultan, 1580s, from Italian sultana, fem. of sultano, Middle English had soudanesse "sultaness" (late 14c.).

No wonder the word sounded Mexican, Italians coined it.

Also
>A feminine form of sultan, used by Westerners, is sultana or sultanah; however, this styling misconstrues the roles of wives of sultans

>But Japan was already an empire before that.

No it wasn't.

The Japanese emperor was a figurehead for most of Japanese history. More often than not, the Japanese emperor had no political or military power. He's more like the Pope in the religion of Shinto, than an actual ruler. So his title is more honorary than anything, and he's called an "emperor" in English because it's the closest thing. They weren't an emperor, going by the Western definition of the word, but they were during the Imperial Japan period.

Yup

You know what I meant. It's a bit like these guys say . The thing that matters is that the title is equal to the one of the ruler of China, in order to declare that we are not their subject. Whatever exact definition the word has in English doesn't matter.

I would rather say that you are so brainwashed that you would kill yourself for the sole purpose of entertaining your royalties.

Monarchism is the past, nationalism is the futur. Deal with it.

His ancient came from Korea. He is not pure blood japanese.

お前そんなこと言うと在日認定されるぞ…

>most of japanese history
First emperor is said to be from the 5th century BC. Shoguns had power for around 700 years, that's hardly ''most''. Even if you take a conservative estimate, say, from 1 AD, that's still not most.

They are always tossed about by around people and have no or small power even during WW2

No, We came from Africa and the sea

> i.e. territories including multiple ethnic groups
That's retarded.

>France is empire
>the Ukraine is empire
>Switzerland is empire
>Estonia is empire

天皇 is an Emperor because western countries translated.
If English-speaking countries called 天皇 the other name than Emperor, Japanese Government would translate 天皇 into the new word.
English-speaking countries have the initiative not to call 天皇 an Emperor.

I heard that the 宮内庁 doesn't want archaeologists to investigate pre-Nara era tombs for this reason.

>because they are democracies rather than monarchies, thus representing the will of the people.
Actually, that's because we're shitholes without good social benefits and we never "had to" suffer immigration from our muslim and/or black colonies because we had none.

This Britain was weab

>the title is equal to the one of the ruler of China
The most important thing is 天皇 isn't like a Chinese Emperor.
In a word, 天皇 doesn't equal 皇帝.

The problem there is that there's no de jure autocracy.

But more thoroughly, that's actually the point - Many of the dysfunctions with modern western nations can be traced back to the fact they are essentially Empires at this point operating as de jure democracies, with different tribal groups attempting to game the system to their ethnocentric advantage. Look at the United States, an absolute clusterfuck of people with no real interests in the supposed "civic identity" of American-ness: Black rabble-rousers, Chinese spies, Israel firsters, Muslims doing what Muslims always do etc.

America will gradually place more and more power in the hands of an execute as these problems become worse and worse, it's analogous to the Roman Republic having a government machinery incapable of administering an Empire.

*of an executive

Fucking autocorrect.

France is an empire. It's an empire of mulattos.

>宮内庁
I'm sure they are not in charge of archaeology, but it's a very nice joke. I don't even see how pre-Nara tombs could prove that the emperor is descended from Koreans, but many peoples came here through Korea so it would not be surprising if it was at least partly true.
That doesn't mean he has any connection to modern Korea though.

They control access to said tombs.

>That doesn't mean he has any connection to modern Korea though.

I agree, there's no firm conclusion on who constituted the ancient Korean peninsula anyway. "Korea" was only really born in the Joseon era.

On another note, is the Imperial Palace in Tokyo really his permanent residence? It looks tiny.

Why do you care 天皇 so much as a paranoia?
天皇 doesn't equal 皇帝 and it is unique to Japan.
If you would like to deny history of 天皇, you should study Japanese ancient history and research with proofs.

>and it is unique to Japan.

lol.

Japan is just some Tang Dynasty culture bro, not everything is "unique".

>it looks tiny
japanese people are smaller

lmao
an armchair theory of a amateur without proofs

>Japan is just some Tang Dynasty culture bro, not everything is "unique".

lmao
Proofs, please.

漢字と意味が少し違ってるのに、英語に訳すと同じ言葉になるのは大事なことだったよ。日本が中国に朝貢しないって伝えるためなんだ。

Definitely you have never been to Japan.
One may see at glance that Japanese culture is different from Tang Dynasty culture.

訳語がないから仕方ない。
日本の「神」もGodに訳されてしまったので、余計な誤解を生んでいるし...。

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なんで外人か暴れているんですか…木漏れ日に相当する英語ないと同様に天皇も適当に訳してEmperorになったというのに…

Are you seriously denying the huge influence of Tang Dynasty culture on Japan? The architecture is a straight up replication.

It's nothing to be ashamed of, most historically knowledgable westerners know the root of western culture (drama, art, architecture, philosophy, law etc) is from Greece and Rome. We don't see this as a shame.

日本の天皇家は韓国から来たものだー。
宮内庁が調査を許さないのは、それを隠すためだー。
日本に独自の文化なんてないぞー。唐の影響をうけただけだー。
って特ア人が火病ってます。

Japan is profoundly shaped by the Tang Dynasty.

>don't add anything new to the point
>repeat the previous reply
>hurr durr must be right

何故白人さんたちはアジアを認めてくれないのか…悲しいよ。いつになったら自分たちが一番という考えをすててアジアを対等に見てくれるのか…

I don't deny the huge influence of Tang Dynasty culture came to Japan.
But I mean the most important thing is Japanese built the unique culture above the influence from Tang Dynasty.

Please stop your an armchair theory of an amateur without proofs.
It's awful....

Yes, you are erudition. Tennou(emperor) is political tool.

I agree, and I'll explain it in English.
Sometimes when a term is translated, there is not a real word for it in a different language, so they pick a word close to it. In Japanese, "天皇" does not mean that Japan has different territories and people.
There are many words that are hard to translate from Japanese to English, such as "木漏れ日" (light falling through trees). "ごちそうさまでした" and "お疲れ様でした" are also hard to translate, because you just say "Thank you" in English.
Language and culture are intertwined, and it is hard to convey cultural concepts into a different language. Thank you.

lmao
In your theory, US is profoundly shaped by the UK without unique culture.

>Tang Dynasty culture on Japan? The architecture is a straight up replication.

And that architecture is a straight up copy of Indian arch brought over with the spread of Buddhism.

Really? I didn't know that.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagoda

Now you know. U can go back and say Indian arch is a copy of some other civ and that is a copy of another civ. It's honestly a stupid point to make.

It is profoundly shaped by the UK

We're speaking English, aren't we? Over half the place-names in the US are based off English landmarks. We derived our legal norms from Britain. Many of our religious traditions are inspired by England.

so...?

As Japan isn't connected with China by land, Chinese culture could come probably restrictively.
So Japanese must have built an unique culture for the lacked information from China.

You deny American unique culture.
You doesn't seem to be a patriot.
Are you Chinese?

I'm ethnic Chinese. To most Chinese before the 19th century, Japan was an uncivilized, barbarian place populated by pirates.

Chinese felt there was nothing to be learned from these barbarians.

What's with the paranoia, toshi? Just because I recognize historical precedent, that makes me "un-patriotic"?

Just sit down.

The US is just some 18th century English culture bro

Chinese thought so about everything outside of China for a long time. If their arrogance hadn't kept them from exploring, they could have colonized the world during the 明 dynasty already

>We're speaking English, aren't we?

Relieved to hear that. Japanese is the unique language itself.
It is a proof Influence of Tang Dynasty culture was restrictively.

Then chink got its karma :^)
Then went full retard becoming gommie country.

Half of your language is written in ching chong script - and you are relieved to hear that? I've got shocking news for you bruh

why japanese so buttmad when people mention their relations to China and Korea?

Is that guy doing something in present days?

We don't. We know Japanese culture has many influences from ancient Chinese culture, just like every European culture has many influences from ancient Roman culture.
But that does not mean Roman culture is the only origin of every culture in Europe, just as China is not the origin of many aspects of Japanese culture.

jaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap

lmao
Japanese seems to be too complicated for your brains.

That's true there's no direct and correct translation of the Japanese word Ten'noh Heika in English, but since our Ten'noh family obviously has more class and legitimate continuity of blood than any of European royal families or the recent Chinese dynasties, which are savage outlanders in disguise as cultured kings and queens after all, it's natural for English speakers in Japan back in the old days to decide to use the word "Emperor" to do Japanese Ten'noh honor.