Digging thread: Liberal takeover of FOSS

How did it happen? Let's figure it out from start to finish.

Let's start with pic related. mjg59

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How about this faggot? Where are his roots from?

Who wants to bet it all leads back to the CIA? Remember, it was some 2005/2006 document created by the UN which outlined the need for "social justice" to activate "global governance."

That's around the time these faggots were getting really rancid. But I suspect the origin is further back than this.

Nobody wants you in FOSS.

Nobody wants you here, either.

That is why God invented Sup Forums

fuck the UN

Stay in your containment

Fuck off (((asshole))).

>no u
cool story, bro. Let me know when people bring up gay agenda stuff in Sup Forums every fucking day. Nobody wants you here, you closeted faggot.

Nobody.

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He's German, that's why he's such an SJW cuck. All the alpha Germans died in WW2 leaving only the beta and sickly males behind.

Two years ago a group of feminists targeted Linus Torvalds. They intended to "honeypot" him and then claim he raped them, all because they think he's misogynist and doesn't like women writing kernel patches. To this day, every conference Linus attends, he always has at least two people with it at all times to protect against false rape accusations.

I don't know if feminists are actually this mean-spiriting and hate men that much or if they were sponsored by the CIA or some shit as an attempt to take based Linus down.

The best computer scientists are conservative and not leftist "progressives" because they care more about doing good work, than their identity.

The term you're looking for is not 'liberal'. It's authoritarian progressive. A liberal believes in maximum political and personal freedom within the purview of a just system of law.

You're about 50 years out of touch with reality

Then you should have directly indicted progressives, you can be conservative and a liberal. The point is that you're free to make your own choices. Please actually educate yourself before attempting to stir shit on a technology forum.

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lgbt is pol

Just because you don't know the definitions of words does not change the definitions of said words. Why are you letting the progressives take the social capitol earned by liberals?

The whole ideology is based on critical theory, which originates from the Frankfurt school and later Columbia University when the thinkers from the former fled the "Nazi menace" for USA. If I had to hazard a guess, the ball got rolling mainly by the help of the predecessor to KGB.

Freedom in software is heavily tied to socialist principles.

Over the past couple decades, right politicians have been interested in restricting cyber freedoms and cracking down on tech-related shit that harms business, like piracy.

People who have an interest in IT security and like authority tend to go into government or big-businesses. People who have an interest in IT security and dislike authority tend to follow other paths or make a political point against the modern governments and big-businesses attacking tech-freedoms.

Of course the nu-left is going to make up these groups

Definitions of words change.

That's literally how words work.

What you're talking about is now called classical liberalism

No, classical liberalism simply stresses the importance of liberty. Liberalism stresses liberty and equality. Such that all members of a society should be equally free. You're thinking of social liberalism, which stresses equality over liberty. Look, why don't you just open a dictionary and read the definition? Or even wikipedia.

>open a dictionary and read
You talk about pol-kun.

Equality is new aged cult

How about you get a brain?

When the facts prove you wrong, resort to insults.

There are plenty of liberals and conservatives in the higher echelons of computer science as well as in the industry.

However, it used to be that you could be liberal and I conservative, and we'd still work together and live and let live.

The SJW cancer has killed that, and it's utterly detestable.

> FOSS

You mean faggots who write JS libraries with the shelf life of milk or busybodies who spam pull requests on Github for using naught words? They don't matter nearly as you think they do.

People who matter like Linus aren't swayed by that shit and thank god for that.

It's called microlibraries and they're the natural follow up after microframeworks became popular.

Yeah, he only moved from a progressive social democracy to the most liberal and progressive city in America to raise his family. He's clearly a cuck porn obsessed reactionary just like you faggots!

Give me a fucking break.

FOSS is literally communism.

From each according to his capabilities, to each according to his needs.

Seems legit.

>Sup Forums trying to take credit for a natural reaction to liberals

Nice try microsoft shill, but permissive licenses like MIT or BSD are FOSS as well. 1 poo has been deposited into your loo.

What takeover? There's a couple examples of people pushing dumb codes of conduct and renaming master/slave to leader/follower (or whatever they're calling it) but for the most part, people are just writing code and getting on with it.
Stop giving them a voice and trumping them up to be this serious problem, it only gives them more power than they actually have by making them seem bigger than they actually are.

Don't worry, trump is going to make CS conservative nationalists only.

lol

So? FOSS wouldn't be what it is today without the clever hack of the GPL and copylefting. That is a fact.

>Thinking Linus Torvalds is a Trump loving Sup Forums faggot

>expecting conservatives to read and educate themselves
kek

Just leave them to make up their own definitions and ignore the facts. It's not like they ever accuse the left of making up their own definitions and ignoring facts or anything

this desu

Both sides have good arguments and do good things when they're not busy ripping into each other like pseudoreligious console war retards. And it's the SJW cancer you can thank for widening the divide past the point of recovery.

Well

Free software as a cause is about a kind of social justice.
And their notion of freedom is arguably a kind of leftist one. I mean the FSF and people who think like them, open source etc isn't all about that.

Anyway, they kinda think that the individual can't be free if the community isn't free, that the community's attempts to avoid oppression are more important than the individuals right to maximum personal freedom (to, for example, oppress others).
Stalin argued something similar when he defended socialism against anarchism in one of his writings - this isn't an insult, there's nothing inherently wrong with the position.

I think that it is a given that people who care about free software kinda care about other politics and issues as well. It would be pretty weird to be passionate about software users freedom but give no shits about anything else.

Yup..

The free software movement as we typically know it (GNU/Stallman) is basically full communism, right down to "if you derive anything from this code, you must give us the source". That's about as "left" as one can possibly get in that economic kind of sense - though the reality is it's propped up by commercialism (the right) since the big projects that bet things done in the world like Red Hat, Ubuntu and Android have commercial interests behind them. Socially it's also kind of leftist as it's very often had that underlying "anyone can contribute, doesn't matter your age, gender or race" kind of message over the years in the times it's been 'marketed' (for lack of a better word)

BSD is your more liberterian "do wtf you want with it, make billions of dollars selling fruit branded phones using my code and then close it and don't give me a cent for all I care" kind of open source.

The issue this thread and basically most of the current discussion on the internet has, is this completely bonkers polarised thinking where you're basically either full screeching censoring cis white male hating feminazi or full Hitler worshipping black/woman/gay hating neo-nazi. Us or Them. Pick a camp, paint anyone who's not as extremely on your side as yourself as being extremely on the other side, and attaaaack
No thanks. Which is why I frequently get called both, and since I think it'd be nice to try and get along with each other again, the vague hippie-like vibe often seems to get translated to "SJW" or "Libtard" or whatever words are being tossed around this week. ("Virtue Signalling" seems to be buzzword of the week/month, doesn't seem very relevant to anons though)

>Blythe Masters
> creator of the credit default swap
>Chairman of the Governing Board of the Linux Foundation’s open source Hyperledger Project
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blythe_Masters

Splendid thread, alt-bro. May I have some circuitry or binary code today with my daily dose of redpills? I should have some good boy points to spend from ignoring anyone who I found out they had an "SJW" opinion in my vicinity.

What the fuck am I reading. Why do these people think they have any ground to stand on when pitching a fit over forking dongle jokes.

neo-Sup Forums

>Liberal takeover of FOSS
Free Software was already liberal, you stupid.

>right down to "if you derive anything from this code, you must give us the source"
Only if you release it. What you must be talking about is the AGPLv3.

Also communism has to do with real life objects. Cloning objects didn't exist back in the day, so it wouldn't even make sense to associate GNU with communism, since files such as source code can be copied and cloned easily.

^this

>It's called nanolibraries and they're the natural follow up after nanoframeworks became popular
>It's called picolibraries and they're the natural follow up after picoframeworks became popular

When does it end?

>How did it happen?

Robert Conquest's Second Law:
"Any organization not explicitly right-wing sooner or later becomes left-wing."

In other words, leftism is entropy. Chaos and disorder, it consumes and corrodes everything unless constantly and conscientiously fought.

Keep talking like that and the politburo will send you to be reeducated by a Left Wing Coding Squad kameraden.

>Liberalism stresses liberty and equality.
> social liberalism, which stresses equality over liberty.
Liberty ends in the moment you try to impose rules to level the playing field, if you need to create "social anything" it is because the movements associated with liberalism are getting tired of the heat and wishes for a scapegoat.

Can I get a source on this? Genuinely curious

Every fucking response to gamergate was like this. Anyone trying to say there is a real issue wasn't counter-argued, but just shitposted into oblivion. "fart fart fart" is about as intelligent as the replies got.

Son of STASI operatives, Mutte Merkel's top OS infiltrator.

Code name T R I G G E R E D.

There's no "liberal takeover of FOSS". There are just more outspoken liberals than there are outspoken conservative FOSS devs.

Of course, reasonable people don't bring politics into programming.

Fuck Poettering.

Please give document!

This bitch.

The question is then, who decides what the "needs" are?

Obviously the Dear Leader.

If you have rules, the weak take the liberty of the powerful.

If you don't have rules, the powerful take the liberty of the weak.

The problem is that in capitalism, someone always has to lose. There ALWAYS has to be a loser, and it's zero sum- the more the people at the top win the more the people at the bottom lose. Fake growth through replacement immigration and programmed consumerism were a stopgap that is presently running out. Collapse follows. Communism is the same problem but with smoke and mirrors bullshit obscuring it.

We need a new way of doing things that doesn't revolve around preying on each other like a bunch of fucking cannibals.

>Of course, reasonable people don't bring politics into programming.

Yes but the unreasonable do anyway, become the leaders and then we all have to deal with their shit. Just like they did with universities and every public institution in the West. Science too.

Probably more NSA.

>The problem is that in capitalism, someone always has to lose. There ALWAYS has to be a loser, and it's zero sum-

No. As long as there's unaccessible resources there's the possibility of growth. Unless you wanna argue that a tribe of primitives living on top of oil is "immensely rich". There was HUGE positive-sum in the 19th century and first half of the 20th, driven both by capitalism and by government funding.


Now it could be argued that since the ~70s all the easy things have been already been reached, and that now we're really in almost zero-sum, bullshit-advertisement-market, debt driven hell.

Pic related, this based gentleman probably agrees.

They're fucking everywhere.

We need to extend GNU/GPL to other areas than software.

Not as hard as it sounds, because the debt hell is mainly virtual value hell - value is placed on virtual ownership and artificial scarcity, rather than material property. Software is the prime example.

Communism can work, provided that sufficient amount of aggregate value is virtual, rather than material - which is rapidly becoming the case.

You can't eat bits, nor sleep under them.

>We need a new way of doing things that doesn't revolve around preying on each other like a bunch of fucking cannibals.
Nationalism or patriotism, but that shit collapses when your country grow big enough to have nothing left to conquer.

>Communism can work,

Holy shit. Does every generation need a reminder, written with the blood of millions, to put an end to this meme?

> provided that sufficient amount of aggregate value is virtual, rather than material - which is rapidly becoming the case.

We're currently in the "everyone pretends everything is fine" phase. Taking the material for granted (food, water, energy), only thinking about the virtual. Video games, social networks and shit. When some shitlords start to publicly note that the Emperor has no clothes the planet is gonna get interesting.

>communism can work
hi cia

Virtual in general sense, normies call it "service economy". Our society is already 60% virtual.

Just as with software, a lot of it is bullshit. GPL instead of proprietary style arrangement of rendering services would remove ton of bullshit there.

But otherwise you're right, this transition must be paired with equivalent drops in costs of manufacturing (fe housing and food production). In that regard, future could be a bit bleak.

FOSS always attracted progressives. Progressivism is at its core, about opposing hierarchy. FOSS is wayyyyy more egalitarian than hierarchical companies telling code monkeys what to produce. FOSS says, if you don't like what someone is doing with a project, you can fork it and do what you want with it instead of having to listen to what your higher ups want to do. FOSS is also against intellectual property rights, which is something the far left is against as well.

FFS Venezuela has their own national Linux distribution for ideological reasons. North Korea has their own Linux distribution for ideological reasons.

>CIA
>communism

FOSS is a hiearchy - of merit, the worst kind of oppression.

Remember that 2017 notion of progressive is equality of outcome. If you think that equality of opportunity is the thing, you're a neonazi and you should keep it to /pol.

LOL the CIA has always supported communism covertly. It needed enemies.

These days they do so overtly.

>Liberal takeover of FOSS
Liberals are responsible for FOSS in the first place you dumbass. Do you think rms is some hardcore republican or something?

>my entire world view is based off of memes
Polls show that even most Democrat voters think that college acceptance should be based solely on merit. Paul Joseph Watson can rant to you about muh SJWs, but the reality is that the vast majority of people are pretty moderate.

FOSS is well in line with progressive principles and always has been. Even the pedophile of toe jam is a leftist.

Wow. It goes all the way to the top.

But the CIA was the agency backing anti communist forces in foreign countries during the cold war, even when Congress told them not to.

There used to be a share of libertarians too. Which are also retarded, but for different reasons.

But nevertheless, there's a difference between old-style, worker-rights, labor-oriented socialists and the currently dominant strain of cultural marxists, which are actually allied with global capitalists however unlikely that may seem at first glance.

But they also backed communist forces and neo-commies too.

Yes, everything that isn't nationalism is communism...

The vast majority of you "people" support mass non white immigration, worship a Jew who hates the White working class, and believe that black supremacism is the way of the future

>my entire world is made of imagined ideology rather than reality

>polls
Ideology, not reality. Why would niggers poll against their own interest?

>FOSS is well in line with progressive principles and always has been. Even the pedophile of toe jam is a leftist.

Again, ideology is indeed anti-authoritarian. In reality, FOSS is ableist hellhole prone to totem worship like Linus or RMS.

>Bernie sanders is for me people!
Then why did he buy a mansion once he took all your money and sell out to Hillary?

>sell out
He agrees with Hillary on like 80+% of the issues he supports. Hillary actually ended up adopting a lot of his proposals for her own campaign. Hillary is more pragmatic, she doesn't hate the things Bernie supports she just doesn't believe a lot of them are feasible yet and is more interested in focusing on areas that are currently possible.

Hillary was the perfect person for the executive position for the democrats at least.

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The mainstream and the fringe left supports all those thing, stop denying it

Because these polls are anonymous, why would anybody lie about their position on such a trivial issue?

And yes, FOSS is anti authoritarian, and it's also anti property rights, and to an extent, anti profit motive. People on the far left see the massive amount of volunteers working on FOSS with no ownership of the IP they create as proof that the profit motive can be overcome.

No, I'm a liberal, but Hillary was FAR from the perfect person for the executive branch. She was a war monger and flip flopped on so many issues, she has no consistent ideology. She started her political career campaigning for Barry Goldwater and opposed gay marriage until recently and held a lot of conservative positions until they were no longer mainstream.

The CIA hates nationalism, they're working toward Global Governance.

Why do you think they are working against Trump? It's because he's putting the UN's NWO dreams into the trash.

Then why did you retards give millions to Sanders?

>her publicly stated views are her real views
she admitted that her public statements and views are for the consumption of the plebs only, she will change her stripes are required for her mission

>no ownership of the IP they create
If you contribute it, it cannot be relicensed without you and your name appears on contributor list. You just spread shitty FUDs from bill gates era ms.

I never denied they are against nationalism, but they oppose communism far more than they oppose nationalism. Theres more than just communism and nationalism, you know. Not everything anti nationalist is communist, and not everything that's anti communist is nationalist. The CIA is working for the elite that supports neoliberal capitalism, which is both anti communist and anti nationalist.

>People on the far left

Are evil, retarded or both, and refuse to acknowledge that human nature is a thing, and can't be changed.

> see the massive amount of volunteers working on FOSS

Most real work on Linux is made by paid programmers, at companies. Hard, ungrateful stuff like writing drivers or compilers.

> with no ownership of the IP

GPL

> they create as proof that the profit motive can be overcome.

To write half-assed 0.0.1 proof of concept JS shit, park it at github and let it rot?

I never denied they are against nationalism, but they oppose communism far more than they oppose nationalism. Theres more than just communism and nationalism, you know. Not everything anti nationalist is communist, and not everything that's anti communist is nationalist. The CIA is working for the elite that supports neoliberal capitalism, which is both anti communist and anti nationalist.

Having your name on something =/= owning it. FOSS is the closest thing in the digital world to communal property, progressives will ALWAYS be attracted to that no matter how much you deny it.

Anyways, I have to leave for work now, bye.

>Caring about 'le liberal boogeyman'
>Being so assblasted that people have different personal opinions that you need to pseudo-dox them
>Not realizing that everyone just wants you fucking Sup Forums autists to fuck offs
The politics of the software DO NOT MATTER. The QUALITY of the software MATTERS.

GPL != Communism. Learn what the GPL is and what Communism is. Again, politics not relevant.

Shitposting about indians, racism, etc. Not technology.

Person drifting offtopic from technology, again.

This thread is an example of the only actual shills that exist on Sup Forums: Sup Forums shills.

Desu yourself, and then go back to Sup Forums.

I never denied that corporations pay people to contribute to FOSS, but that doesn't invalidate the fact that a lot of people DO volunteer to work on it as well.

GPL is not what 99% of capitalists agree property rights are because you can't sue people for redistributing your IP.

Why are you trying so hard to deny that the far left is attracted to FOSS when you can go to far left forums and ask them about their opinions on it? Fucking Venezuela uses it for ideological reasons, what more proof do you need?