/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.
State the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming. Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs? Put effort into your queries to make yourself easy to help.
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com
Currently worthwhile CPUs: >G4560 for budget builds (i3 & i5 aren't worthwhile. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to i7 >No R5 1400 unless discounted >i7-7700k is good but pricey. If over budget: consider locked 7700; not chasing 4.8Ghz+ capable when you weren't gonna overclock, or get R5 >Cheap Z270 board is still good for faster memory in games w/ locked 7700, but aren't for overclocking (VRMs suck) >R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use
Currently worthwhile GFX cards: >RX470 8GB, RX480 8GB, 1070, 1080, 1080TI >1060 is worth considering over a 480 if same/cheaper in your country, or you just play games it's better on for the price. 1050Ti is for mITX builds >Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in DX12/Vulkan currently >Budget builds: consider integrated graphics over a card weaker than an RX470, unless another's price/performance is better (ie discounted/used) >Vega comes in May
General: >Don't feel bound to a specific brand/model. Parametric filters on pcpartpicker can help >Consider SSD-only for what you budgeted on SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed >NVMe aren't worth it just for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk >Save money w/ mATX case/mobo, and if patient by purchasing your parts individually in flash sales
If you see another build advice thread, direct them here with
It should go over things like: how to pick a motherboard (how to roughly identify VRMs if you are going to overclock, how to see if it has the features you want, notes about how 6 SATA + m.2 isn't always better than 4 SATA + m.2 since using the m.2 often disables a SATA, how motherboards can have wireless included which can be cheaper, audio, etc..) how to not fall into a trap expecting a $90 Z270 board and your meme aio to reach 5ghz overclocks when to buy a better thing vs overclocking how easy gpu overclocking is VMs and emulation... And how people need to better search for the actual deals they're getting and edit in prices for their pcpartspicker so it's not a repeated waste of time to point out there's another one on sale for cheaper.
Someone was working on a page that had pictures which was pretty good like 2 weeks ago. It needed work, but it was better than the old pastebin, but I haven't seen that person around.
Hudson Gonzalez
VEGA
Jack Gutierrez
NAVI
Kayden Jones
I bet Navi is going to bring putting multiple dies on a GPU which appears to the driver as one to the driver. So an 2x, x3, x4 card without the "Crossfire penalty" of sometimes not scaling well or not working at all. Nvidia will likely have the same thing soon. Maybe not with Volta, but what comes next.
>VEGA Mmm. Buttery smooth AMD incest but with actual power for 144hz or 4k 60fps+.
Ryan Collins
And if someone will like.. start this and do the grunt work and picture gathering/editing, I can help with the actual information. Which is why I wish that guy from before reappeared. He had a good start to it.
Michael King
Dount any gpu will reach constant 60fps until after June. Maybe not until end of the year or early 2018
Jacob Gray
How important is an anti static wristband for building a PC? This will my first time building one and now I'm thinking I need one of these first.
once seen a dude assembling pc on a knee and applying thermal paste with a cellophane bag it was 5960x to boot, triggered me hard
worked fine
Landon Perez
I think Vega might hit 60fps minimum at 4k on many, many games. More than the 1080Ti, even if it loses to it at 1080p.
GCN has historically always been amazing scaling to higher resolutions compared to any recent Nvidia cards. I think the reasonable assumption is that it will be at least 2x the Fury X performance given that it has the same CUs, but those CUs have double the IPC in some cases, 50% higher clocks, and can skip doing work that's not even visible. Well, look at the Fury X in 4k. It already does tons, tons, tons of games at 30fps+ 1% lows.
Looks good. Though if you're going to spend so much, I'd get the K7. Or spend less for an ASRock.
Also the whole.. Nvidia+Ryzen issues that seem to exist beyond just DX12 and Vulkan. If you're building in June, I figure you'll be getting Vega instead. Buy other shit now while it's on sale like the PSU and cooler.
Ryder Hughes
G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory
right now its safer to get LPX 3000 memory for gaming 5, everything will probably change in May AGESA also small Vega might be better than 1070, but that's irrelevant for now Basically just look up thing about memory in June before buying, you may save a lot of money with cheaper but same speed RAM by that time.
Jeremiah Sanchez
is 1600x available in Europe? Can't seem to find one in slavlands
Asher Thompson
Should be available worldwide. At least here in Finland it is.
Caleb Carter
yeah, at least I can see prices in uk, austria and germany on geizhals.de
Dylan Roberts
>k7 Maybe its worth the extra $10. I'll see >asrock Ass UEFI for overclocking and in general >vega I will consider it. But in the past, Nvidia has jewed a lot of games to be optimized for them, and I want good drivers. So it all depends on drivers. I will NOT be buying Polaris RX500s though. Its just a better binned RX480 thats been OC'd a little. gpuboss.com/gpus/Radeon-RX-580-vs-GeForce-GTX-1070
Nicholas Murphy
Added some other games that still are fine with Nvidia. It's not always a problem, but I've not seen a case where the AMD+AMD pairing is bad like Ryzen+Nvidia often is.
>Nvidia has jewed a lot of games to be optimized for them Like Witcher 3? A gameworks game? That's much better on AMD GPUs? >I want good drivers Then go AMD. Radeon drivers have been far superior to Nvidia's for a long while now. Nvidia's are a botnet now and use up tons of RAM for shit you don't use. Shadowplay is way worse than Relive.
Dylan Fisher
forgot updated image.
There are outliers where 1600+1060(and presumably 1070) will be better, but they're way less common than when the Nvidia GPU totally fucks up the smoothness with Ryzen.
Andrew Butler
why would ram be cheaper in june? Will we see a possible pricedrop in ssds too? Otherwise I might get a mushkin with 512gb for 130 euros.
Oliver Nguyen
RAM will likely not be cheaper until late spring. It'll be June when new production capacity is just being added. The benefits of that will take some months.
Camden Davis
what am I looking at here? ryzen paired with amd gpus provide a more stable fps rate?
Ever since the release of Ryzen 5, /pcbg/, more so Sup Forums, have been a lot calmer. Rarely have I seen any autistic Intel shills (I mean literally batshit crazy goyim. Some Intel fans recognized the pros and cons of Intel and AMD, but not the shills). I think Ryzen 5 pretty much revolutionized Sup Forums's opinion of AMD positively. I myself was a bit of an Intel fan/shill, but after Ryzen 7 released, i realised the R5's potential. This shit made me so excited. Im just glad I dont have to pay a shit ton for 6 cores.
Jonathan Powell
Can you guys build me the perfect computer for world of Warcraft. Playing on a 144hz. 27 inch 1440 p.
Owen Garcia
OH COME THE FUCK ON. IM GOING TO GO FUCKING HANG MYSELF (not delivering). Meh thats what i get for clicking on the first link i see
Robert Kelly
>what am I looking at here? ryzen paired with amd gpus provide a more stable fps rate? Yes, in general. Those are times for the frame to draw in milliseconds. So lower is better, but the tightness of the lines are also important. Outside of a small handful of games like Ashes (which runs stuff that makes more CPU load when you use more than 4 cores to make it prettier which isn't a fair comparison), Watch Dogs 2, and Andromeda, all known outliers. The vast majority of times, an AMD GPU with Ryzen is just far smoother.
For Witcher 3, the 1600+1060 is very very bad. But in Hitman, the 1600+1060 is fine, but it's not much worse than the RX480 with it. The 7600k is very bad in all the games there except it's not much worse than the 1600 in BF1. But there are outliers like Watch Dogs 2(not pictured, because it doesn't represent typical results) which usually does good with more cores/threads but the 7600k is better than the 1600 in it. youtube.com/watch?v=AY_NXmEUvjA
That's an april fools. I don't think they'll be named that. But it's close to what my own guesses for the lineup would be.
Jackson Thompson
Budget? And what kind of storage?
Gabriel Smith
whats a good motherboard for ryzen??
Austin Perry
Well I don't think its possible to get 144 fps in a raid setting ever so automatically I'm not sure about 144hz. I have a build for a 1070 + i7 7700k combo that's costing me around 2200 with monitor and peripherals. Just seeing if there's a better option out there.
Xavier Miller
>Rarely have I seen any autistic Intel shills They were here but left when it was clear that Sup Forums was not buying their shit at all and fully accepted Ryzen 5's superiority over i5s.
Bentley Rodriguez
I'm a fucking dumb ass! I just realized I need a boot USB to install windows. Do you guys generally buy them off eBay? I don't have a computer in my house so that's out of the window.
Carter Rivera
Anything from Gigabyte, or the ASUS Crosshair if you want high end. Oh you want peripherals too?
Julian Parker
The fake is likely quite close to accurate, specs wise.
3-5 models are expected. Both 4GB HBM2 and 8GB are expected. A cut down model with less than the 4096CUs is expected. 1400-1500MHz (nano successor) and 1580-1650MHz models are expected.
state your fucking purpose. How the fuck is anyone supposed to answer something so vague? Go pick one that suits your needs and tell us why it suits your needs.
Well drakeposter was trying it for a few days. But it's way too overwhelmingly clear how much better the 1600 is over the 7600k. The only thing that much single core performance wins on is a dedicated emulator and dwarf fortress player, in which case the i3-7350k is the obvious choice. I think even most Intel fans (not sure why someone would have brand loyalty to them, besides being new, but ok) are tired of seeing roughly the same SKUs for 6 years running.
Make sure it's USB 2.0...
>not mentioning Taichi ??
Noah Davis
WOW what a shitty graph.
Justin Ward
I already have them chosen. Just looking for the build.
Lincoln Cruz
>taichi Horrible BIOS currently on every single one of their X370 boards. Maybe updates will fix, but if youre overclocking, dont even bother with Asrock
Added in a refurb EVGA 600w PSU for $30 Added a $15 wifi adapter $80 GTX 960 bought off online friendo
Sure, the case is kinda awful but that just makes cable management even more fun. The i5-2400 is similar to the G4560 except used and ever-so-slightly cheaper. It's also far most consistent since it's got them delicious physical cores.
1080p excellence for $250. I'm not an enthusiast and so see no difference b/t High & Ultra in most games. Case looks pretty cool with red LEDs, too!
John Perez
How is the BIOS horrible? They were the only boards people were getting 3200mhz RAM on the first week.
And its performance is overall the best compared to the Aorus and Crosshair VI according to Tweaktown's review.
>Maybe updates will fix, but if youre overclocking, dont even bother with Asrock People were getting record overclocks on it, too. It's 12+4 phase VRMs. I think you have no clue what you're talking about.
wow. $80 for a GTX 960. Some "friend".
Samuel Cook
Sorry, I'm a fucking autist.
105 + 80 + 15 = 200
$200. It was $200.
John Davis
1) huge frame time variance with 7600k, bigger frametime than with AYYMD 3) even worse variance with 7600K
2) huge spikes with 7600K 4) NVidia has piece'o'shit drivers which fail on AYYMD, frame time variance increases for both AYYMD and Intel.
Easton Roberts
pcpartpicker.com/list/4Mw2nn >CPU can be switched out for any Ryzen 7 if streaming for better quality. >memory can be switched out for lower speeds, but preferably stay with G.skill TridentZ, RipjawsV, or FlareX for maximum compatibility. >switch out cpu cooler for NH-D15 for maximum cooling. Note: make sure that your RAM is lower than the clearance for the NH-D15. Otherwise buy the NH-D15S. >switch out GPU for 1080/Vega. Not sure if RX 580 is good for 1440p
Elijah Jackson
You did good except for the GPU.
And that a 2400 is going to drop well under 60fps in nearly every game from the past few years (so does a 5GHz 7600k). Personally I think 60fps is the minimum, but it's cheap.
Cameron Phillips
nah, you'd be able to put cheaper than g.skill ram and it would run without problems some LPX already run fine at 3200 they are about 50% cheaper than ripjaws there is really not much benefit to CL14
Eli Edwards
Oh, you mean some of the results are shitty. Shitty for the 7600k in general, and often shitty for the 1600 when paired with an Nvidia GPU. Yes, yes they are.
And yeah, funny enough, it's not just Ryzen that Nvidia drivers are worse on. They're worse for Intel in a lot of cases as well. And The Witcher 3 is a Gameworks game, even. These aren't outliers, either. These are very common results.
RX580 is good enough for 1440p. Just make sure you get a non-reference model that's reviewed well. Looks like reference models top out at 1480Mhz OC but it looks like non-reference can go much higher.
Cameron Green
>They were the only boards people were getting 3200mhz RAM on the first week. gigabyte also worked
Ryder Evans
Looks pretty similar to my build. Doesn't seem to be too much variety in parts when you think about it.
Evan Adams
ironic how tables have turned AMD was shitty frametiems,consistency,power draw and drivers company now it's intel and nvidia(they are still okay on powerdraw, but what will happen when they add hardware scheduler back?)
FX CPUs are freaking unbearable to play on btw
Jonathan Scott
Vishera are smoother on some newer games like For Honor, but yeah they're terrible on almost all older ones.
Oliver Butler
Overclocking is horrible because it resets your settings every goddamn time you change the cpu frequency or some shit like that. Some other snon posted a video in the last thread. youtube.com/watch?v=HNc4q1kBwhE
Jason Myers
Huh. Weird that I haven't heard about that. Guess I'll see when I finish getting my stuff.
Blake Lee
Do you guys think that Vega will have a variant that will compete with the 1070 and cost about the same or less? I refuse to accept that they will only release 1 gpu dedicated to tackling the 1080ti/titan
Xavier Brown
If you're not memory overclocking, their BIOS isn't a big deal.
Nathaniel Richardson
What features should I be looking for in a monitor I intend to use in exclusively in portrait mode?
I'd like to get a secondary monitor in portrait mode for web surfing, text/code editing, and .pdf reading (which I do a lot of for studying). I'm guessing I need something with good viewing angles, but I'm not quite sure what to look for so it's easy on the eyes. Thanks for any advice.
Levi Flores
It's pretty impossible for it to be that close to 1070 perf. It's just too powerful, too big of a die. Even at 1000MHz, I'm pretty sure it'd be more powerful.
But there might be one that's around 1080 performance, worse in some games and better in others(better with DX12/Vulkan) for $350-$450. That would be the model that's lower clocked that's not the full 4096 CUs.
AMD likes to price for the average consumer. Most don't pay over 350-450 so they must get a model around that price, I think. But I think 350 is unlikely because that's only $100 more than an RX580 when it'd be almost price the performance. $400-$450 is more likely for the low end Vega.
Wasn't the R9 Fury $450 on launch, and $650 for the Fury 9 and Fury Nano? I hope they make the Nano one cheaper this time, though... would be amazing if that's the "low end" model that just happens to be godly for mITX.
Liam Price
1440p is perfect
Robert Butler
Fury was around $500 or $550, IIRC. More expensive than 980, at any rate.
Carson Gray
Yeah this is purely and issue of BCLK stuff.
3:2 or 16:10 for portrait. 16:9 is garbage for vertical orientation.
It was $650 then dropped down to $450 after the 980Ti launched. Now days it's faster in 4k, still. Close in 1440p. Not to mention that crazy smoothness in DX12/Vulkan. They really didn't need to price drop them to that. Fury dropped down to $300-$350 then, I think, too. They were $230-$250 since black friday of last year. But now it looks like you can get an RX580 that's similar performance overclocked if you get one that overclocks well and isn't the ref PCB.
Brandon Garcia
>It was $650 then dropped down to $450 after the 980Ti launched. Are you talking about Fury(non-x) or 980? Because 980ti launched before Fury did.
Camden Campbell
Ah. I was thinking it was the Fury X and Nano that were $650 that got price cut pretty quickly.
Was it the non-X that launched, then was price cut, and the Fury X and Nano launched after the 980 Ti?
Juan Wright
I thought they launched at the same time, but apparently(at least according to anandtech.com/show/9421/the-amd-radeon-r9-fury-review-feat-sapphire-asus) Fury actually launched AFTER Fury x. I'm pretty sure it didn't get any price cuts(at least, not very quickly) either, since it was positioned pretty well to compete with 980 at 10% more expensive, but nearly 980ti performance.
Liam Hill
What gpu should I use with a mITX z270 7700k to maximize gaming performance? Is getting shorter cards worth it if my case can fit a standard length one? Is the next nvidia series coming out this month?
Gabriel Howard
Posting my build in these threads to continue to get feedback before all of my parts arrive:
I'm going to be building it for the purposes of video editing a music making software.
Jordan Wood
>sata ssd when your board supports nvme and has m.2 slots literally why
Jonathan Price
>with a mITX z270 7700k to maximize gaming performance? Quadro GP100
Should you have specified a budget or a case, or even dimensions?
Nicholas Thomas
>What gpu should I use with a mITX z270 7700k to maximize gaming performance >mITX Vega. Do you not remember the Nano?
>Is getting shorter cards worth it if my case can fit a standard length one Yes. Better air flow. You can even potentially create enough room for an extra radiator.
>Is the next nvidia series coming out this month? Volta? No that's probably Q2 2018. The refresh? I'm not even sure.
Put in the actual prices you got shit for. Otherwise it's confusing. Also give more stories of you getting raped.
Jose Sullivan
>ryzen
lol
Robert Adams
ryzen is better at video editing though
Hunter Flores
I don't get what people have against Ryzen. It's not like this is Sup Forums, and some people actually do more than just game.
Zachary Bailey
Uh oh! Are they not compatible? Fuck me.
Asher Clark
Youre right friendo, its the enthoo mitx (33cm max lenght according to their site, I havent measured). Luckily budget isnt a problem
Aiden Ross
No, it's just that, if you get an M.2 SSD, you don't need to run cables to it.
Christopher Lee
Even if you just game, it seems pretty proven that it's smoother with less outliers in frametimes. If you average 4K performance, the 1600X beats the 7700k. It's better in GPU bottlenecked scenarios, which is what 99%+ of people experience.
M.2 SATA is fine. But for heavy video edition, you can benefit from an NVMe scratch disk. But that's fine, since scratch is something you add later and not install OS onto.
Benjamin Sanchez
They are, but if you need high I/O bandwidth(as I assume you will if you're video-editing), NVMe is better.
Adrian Hall
it's not that it's not compatible, but m.2 nvme pcie ssds are a shitton faster
Carson Martinez
I'll return it and get one. Any in particular you can recommend? Obviously I'm a dumb ass when it comes to this shit but there's only one way to learn.
Camden Rodriguez
Well hurry up, the GP102 is like 10% off right now. Only $4,100.
Gabriel Powell
what do you guys recommend?
Christian Jones
Any recent fuckery to be wary about with buying a HDD? Need to replace an old 1TB seagate that's got a loud windup.
In the past, I was under the impression that a raid setup was necessary for audio/video editing, due to all the reading/writing. Helps with speed and you get backups in case a drive fails.
Daniel Clark
You should be able to fit a 1080 Ti in there. I would recommend founders edition unless you're watercooling the GPU.
Sebastian Turner
Dont meme me with 6000$ cards tho
>Yes. Better air flow. You can even potentially create enough room for an extra radiator. Ill look for a short card then, ty
James Turner
>Need to replace an old 1TB seagate you fell for the meme
Luke Reyes
For SATA M.2, I got an 850 evo. It seems fine. There are cheaper ones, but the Samsung ones can sustain full write speeds with massive data transfers, whereas most other SATA SSD's will slow down after a gigabyte or so written in one go.
Jacob Smith
the samsung 960 evo is currently the fastest on the market however corsair, teamgroup, adata, and plenty of other manufacturers make slightly slower but much cheaper ssds of the same size really, just see what's cheapest for the size you're looking for and compare speeds from there
Owen Nguyen
If you're going short, the Zotac 1070 short is the best you can go for.
Carson Lee
also, make sure you're buying actual pcie ssd some m.2 ssds actually use the sata interface instead and are not nearly as fast
Aaron Hall
If you need a scratch disk for your videos? Just a 120GB Samsung 960 Pro. Don't install shit to it. Just set your Windows swap and scratch disk to be it, record to it, etc. Make sure you read your fucking motherboard manual and install it in the 32Gbps NVMe slot.
Were you not paying attention? Vega isn't out yet, but they'll be super small cards for their power. The smallest one should be half the size of a 1080Ti.
Jacob Turner
So these are completely different from the Samsung SDD? I'm a retard. Looks like I'm buying one and returning the one I bought right when it arrives.
Cameron Smith
I don't get the whole "Everyone should get an NVMe SSD" thing.. For me, SATA is just fine. What is the use case where NVMe makes sense?
Juan Diaz
The main reason I need to replace it because the computer it was in was sitting in storage for years and the plastic around the connector became brittle and broke off when I started backing up those HDDs.
Daniel Peterson
>I don't get the whole "Everyone should get an NVMe SSD" thing.. It explicitly says in the OP that they probably shouldn't. But this guy is making his computer for video editing. He's a cute trap that likes to get drugged and raped and record it, and needs to edit that. NVMe is useful as a scratch disk for video editing. And you don't need a very big one for that.
Joseph Jackson
nvme ssds as a scratch disc are insane also as a boot disk or for gaymen
yes, the one you have is a SATA SSD, which looks similar to a laptop drive. M.2 SSDs look a bit like a stick of ram or an elongated laptop wifi card
NVMe is much faster. SATA ssds can and will get the job done, but if you're looking for top speed, NVMe is your best bet
William Butler
>scratch disk Ok, sure. Those swap files need to be fast.
And bare with me, I'm learning... but would it be stupid as fuck to have an HDD, the regular SSD, and one of these m.2 SSD? These are a bit pricier but if it's really worth it I'll send my regular SSD back and get that m.2
Anthony James
NVMe don't boot an OS any faster, really. Go look up benchmark results. You will not notice the speed differences except as a scratch disk, as far as anything I can think of.
Lucas Robinson
nah but that snappy, snappy performance and obscenely quick loading times for certain things
