Digital Border Searches

You are standing in front of a border security agent and have just been asked to hand over your login information for both your phone and laptop. (and if in the USA, also to your social media accounts)

What have done to prepare for this situation?

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i have nothing to hide you wall jumper

I would ask for a warrant from a judge. They can't detain you for longer than 48 hours without one. If they obtain one I will tell them I no longer remember my password and that I have been unable to login myself. They could not prove me guilty in the court of law. It would be a huge hassle, but I don't care.

We have just found some images which we suspect to be child pornography, please come with me. (applies to Canada/UK/ANZAC)

Your devices would almost certainly be confiscated and sent to forensics.

I would go back to my own country because i like having freedom.

Why the fuck did i travel to a police state anyway in the first place?

Thing is, this applies if I want to leave or return to my own country.

I have a short paragraph for my encrypted drive, then another login password, then a keychain password, and my social media accounts are just psuedonyms i use to follow nasa and keep in touch.

I'd give it to him.

#1. The laptop is just a generic company issued POS that's basically Windows + Office and no pre-installed software. The login is Administrator, no password. There's nothing on it.

#2. VPN bitch. I can remotely connect to a corporate VPN to get access to what I need and run remote apps. Everything is stored in the cloud. The way the law is written I cannot be compelled to reveal this info. It is a trade secret. Connection info does not need to be saved anywhere. Client can be downloaded after I get to my destination.

#3. Fuck social media. I am anti social. You can have my worthless Facebook page. Haven't posted there in 5 years. I'm not on LinkedIn.

#4. Mobile is a pre-paid. Just for this trip. Have fun with it buddy.

My job can be done without storing tons of sensitive shit on a laptop or device that I care about.

Also border nazis better get a good THz scan of my nutsack. Waxed it just for them.

go ahead. i have nothing to hide.

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Sup Forums answer: Never fuck the police11!!!11
Reality: H-here we go sir am I g-going to be detained.

You have been found guilty of possessing pictures of anime girls. Enjoy your cell.

Literally nothing, I won't tell them shit and spend the next 5-10 years in Guantanamo bay until I'm stabbed to death by a former terrorist turned country music star

Good for them. I have full disk encryption with an extremely secure randomly generated password.

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Are your devices expensive? Would it suck to not have them for 6-12 months?

False. Kill yourself.

Yeah it would suck. Not to mention the fact that I would need to replace all my devices afterwards since they could no longer be trusted not to have hardware level back doors. However, having to give up my freedom would suck even more.

Whoever did the audio for that video needs to be shot.

>What have done to prepare for this situation?
i didn't take anything over the border but the basics and just accessed my things at home remotely

this is part of my conundrum, there's two solutions to this
>windows partitions/disk alongside encrypted linux
>change bios default near border entry
>if they want to see it let them, it deletes the linux partition and 0s out select information upon windows bootup, space is spoofed and disks are hidden to make it look like no other OS exists to the untrained eye
>just rsync linux back over across the border

obviously the problem remains that deeper investigation can show shit and they've got evidence of deleting infromation

the second option is something I'm struggling to find more information on. There are bootloaders that exist that make this more transparent, hidden and hide your tracks better but the only people I know that use them are autists that dont share information

Just upload any personal data/files to a server/cloud and factory reset your phone before going through any customs.

Once you are through, redownload that shit and get on with your day. Physical checks are stupid.

For laptops, just have a second barebones HDD and swap that in before the trip. Download anything you need while on site and delete again before passing through.

Put your normal HDD back in once home.

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I love all these nothing to hide faggots. When they start scanning your brain don't say I didn't warn you.

Just use a second clean hdd when traveling. Make sure any necessary stuff is accessible remotely. Have nothing actually on the "travel" hdd. Problem solved.

What do they do if you genuinely forget your social media passwords? The only social media I use is LinkedIn, which I barely even use so I just have my password saved in my browser on my PC.

The social media stuff only seems to be at US customs at the moment and particularly if you are muslim. If they don't believe you that you don't remember or don't have any social media accounts, then the worst that will happen is that you will be denied entry. If you are a citizen, you won't be denied entry, but you will probably be detained for a few hours and your devices will almost certainly be confiscated for several months.

Basically refusing to cooperate in any way will probably just result in you getting detained/turned away or your shit confiscated. It's better to just unlock the devices and have nothing on them.

>If you don't have facebook or abandoned it years ago you're a suspicious person
I hate normalfags so much.

Jokes on them, I only have a cheap Mp3 player with roughly 4 hours of super eurobeat.

I need to get my mobile phone and my computer replaced.

You'll have to go through the process of the "I forgot password" feature, then opening your email, and making a new password.

It's better to claim you don't have any social media accounts and delete the applications from your phone.

>I have a short paragraph for my encrypted drive
A short paragraph as passphrase? Did you memorized it completely? It must be pretty lenthgy each time you reboot

>inb4 it's richard stallman copypasta

GNU/Thanks

>"Here's $50 you low wage failure at life, fuck off and don't touch my laptop with your grubby dickcheese mitts."
>"Welcome to America!"

Not him, but I memorized a long randomly generated password in blocks. Each time I memorize a block of characters i add it to my existing password. Muscle memory makes it pretty easy.

A. Boot in to Windows
B. Don't start X
Attendant probably can't computer good so they won't be able to find anything

Laptop is fully encrypted at the bios level and drive. Use an iPhone 6. Would just tell them to keep the devices.

Normally would tell them that they would have to go through my company's lawyer to get access to the devices as I'm not allowed to give out my passwords. However I work for myself now.

I have some patient info on my laptop for my work. I also have worked on NSA and defense projects in the past but they weren't classified, but it was fun to tell customs that I work for the office of the director of national intelligence.

I don't use social media.

Seriously just tell them to keep the equipment.

This is what I'm worried about:

Isn't startx a linux thing?

Most I'd do is boot it up to show them it not a bomb otherwise they're not getting shit from me
Which generally is the case so no worries

>Travel to murrica from yurop
>Leave shitty laptop in hold baggage
>Find note from TSA that they searched my bags because suspicious X-ray contents
>Check browser history
>Facebook.com > facebook password recovery > gmail > gmail password recovery
>turn on phone
>text asking me to reset gmail password
>Still got in without a search, later left without a search

Sentence extended for false testimony and disrespect to an officer. Visting Sup Forums, a notorious hacker website, indicates consent and willingness to view and store lolis hidden within the depths of browser history.

>He thinks a filesystem capable of encryption exists that isn't backdoored by the NSA

sure thing you retarded memer

>You are standing in front of a border security agent
bich no i ain
>and have just been asked to hand over your login information for both your phone and laptop
lol hoo giv an shit
i ain got sercts

If you really care about your privacy, the best thing is to have sterile devices which are totally open.

Let them search your empty devices. Having an empty device is no grounds for further action.

>Put laptops in bin.
>Huge TSA lesbian screams at me and picks up my laptop.
>You have to put these in separate bins.

It's shit like this that is why I don't intend to bring my laptop overseas, at least not with any of my data on it. I could always back up everything, DBAN the disk, reinstall Ubuntu, and hook up my backed up files to a home FTP server if I need those files overseas.

Also, I have no social media accounts.

lol hoo giv shet
im kno mi lep tups

What is the point of doing shit like this? It just makes the already tedious task of getting on a plane even longer for everyone (even those who don't get """randomly""" selected, since it takes time away from TSA agents who could be working people through the line). If I were a terrorist, I could just wipe all my devices before boarding, and avoid tweeting about terrorist things. Searching people for weapons/bombs should be more than enough.

I wasn't actually replying to you I was just too lazy to delete the numbers.

Yes. I was giving two independent suggestions on what to do.

security theater
TSA has literally never, NEVER ever stopped a terrorist plot in the act.
Remember all those foiled plots?
They were already on the plane, IN THE AIR.

The FBI actually has a proven record of stopping terror plots, TSA has never stopped anyone.

I feel like wiped devices that are unlocked/no password with physical signs of use would be a red flag. Not enough to get you detained but enough to make a note in some database.

>there have never been any successful terrorist attacks that were stopped by the TSA

No shit. Terrorists attempt to infiltrate our nation and airlines hundreds of times per day and they are repeatedly foiled by the strict and effective procedures that we have put in place to prevent them. You don't know about them precisely because of how effective the TSA is at doing its job.

I wish Trump would disband the TSA for one day so you could see how easily this country can descend into hell.

>this is what Americans actually believe

Everything was fine before 9/11. Everyone survived before it and we all can survive after it.

You realize that the TSA regularly fails it's own tests and has done since it's creation.

What actual law has been violated? I'm no lawyer but I'm pretty sure you're not allowed to arrest someone without at least accusing them of a specific crime. Furthermore, I obtained these images from fairly well known websites hosted in the United States, which have hosted these kinds of images for years. Why has no legal action been taken against them? After all, these sites host large numbers of these images, and are accessible to virtually anyone who goes online - if these images are indeed harmful and illegal, why then is enforcement effort directed against random individuals who possess only a few of these images and do not have any clear intent to distribute them, rather than the sites which possess large numbers of these images and do act as distributor?

If merely visiting Sup Forums constitutes a criminal offense, why have the owners of the site not been arrested?

What if you wrote the file system yourself?

Comply as while it's shitty, they have the power to refuse my entry into whichever country I'm visiting. Make sure you read that as power and not right.

They can have you detained for any reason till they find a crime or they let you go without your phone or laptop.

>without at least accusing them of a specific crime
resisting arrest
disorderly conduct
disturbing the peace
evading a police officer
failure to obey a police order

i could keep going, they never arrest you for one thing, it's 5 things

So what if you just let them examine your laptop and don't so much as shout if they pull nonsense like "anime pictures are illegal"? A mere accusation of a crime is sufficient to arrest someone, but actually sentencing them requires a trial, at which point it would become clear no crime was committed.

That's fine, they can check your sterile devices twice the next time you go through.

>Everything was fine before 9/11

Before 9/11 we were safe in our own nation. Now, there are people out there--tens of thousands--that would love to kill you, personally, given the slightest chance. While terrorism exists, we can never feel safe. The fact that terrorists have not performed a successful large-scale attack since then is a testament both to their incompetence and to the effectiveness of our "tedious" security measures.

It is never possible for security to catch 100% of attacks, but consider also that TSA agents are trained to detect psychological signals of would-be attackers that might not manifest in the people running tests.

The trial will come 6 months later, even if you win, you won't be getting your shit back until it's so obsolete that you won't even want it back.

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99% of the time they search phones / laptops on the suspicion that the person is trying to work illegally.
The whole loli thing only comes up if you either fucked up hard or they have reason to suspect it.
.t brother works in border agency.

You do realize that if you committed an ACTUAL crime like resisting arrest, you're much more likely to spend time in jail even after the 6 month delay?

my laptop is full of anime tiddies and pictures of me crossdressing

Don't go to Canada then.

You do know Muslims existed before 9/11 right?

are they good?

>It is never possible for security to catch 100% of attacks, but consider also that TSA agents are trained to detect psychological signals of would-be attackers that might not manifest in the people running tests.
I've triggered that once just by not making eye contact with a deputy. I guess the thousands of man hours spent pointlessly detaining autists is worth it. Also I can tell you're trolling for (You)bumps - maybe I should work for the TSA.

KYS HOMO -_-

>pictures of me crossdressing
LEGS OR GTFO

What if people don't use american sites?
ameba...? others

most mass shooters turn out to be autistic so their training is pretty top notch

It was a tumor.

you wouldn't have been sure if I didn't post a second time

I always give in to temptation

I put all my sensitive data on an SD Card and tape it to the inside of my laptop's palmrest

I'm white officer, you must be mistaken

t. argentina

eurofag detected

He doesn't because I'm pre-cleared through TSA and they aren't allowed to check my bags.

hello my white brothers

fyi if you use a vpn in canada you are subject to warrantless investigation and monitoring

I enjoyed this, user. Thanks

The only way to prepare is to not bring things like that on a plane. If you absolutely need a phone, buy a dumbphone and throw it away once you're done. If you absolutely need a laptop, either ship it separately or buy a cheap netbook in the country you're visiting. If you visit often, see if you can leave that device with someone who lives in that country so you don't need to keep buying new netbooks or whatever.

tl;dr The only winning move is not to play their shitty game.

Grab the cops gun and kill him and any civilians I see and then myself

while i'm sure you're joking, i find it funny that there are actually edgelords on Sup Forums who are reading this like "yeah that's exactly what i'd do too"

i find it funny that there are actually autists on Sup Forums who are reading that thinking "while i'm sure you're joking, i find it funny that there are actually edgelords on Sup Forums who are reading this like 'yeah that's exactly what i'd do too'"

an awful lot of characters just to say "I'm autistic and having a meltdown"

>tfw no desktop environment
>tfw have to explain to shaniqua the TSA officer how to use a terminal
>am completely friendly and compliant, just smile and casually explain whats going on
>shaniqua loses interest and lets me go
>tfw no will know about my chinese cartoons

>measuring posts by character count instead of algorithmic complexity

>>am completely friendly and compliant, just smile and casually explain whats going on
how do you *casually* explain what a desktop environment is, let alone how a laptop works without one, to a shaniqua?

i'm not asking this rhetorically. if you haven't practiced this explanation, then it's not going to be casual. it'll be awkward and confusing fo a shaniqua.

>>shaniqua loses interest and lets me go
actually let's clarify something. there's TSA and then there's border patrol.

TSA is shaniqua. they make sure your laptop isn't a bomb by asking you to activate the device, evidently unfazed by the fact that if it IS a bomb they're asking you to kill everyone.

border patrol are LEOs. they're in the same category as cops and have similar powers. no shaniquas here.

but all that aside, they're not just looking at shit until they lose interest. anything that doesn't conform to existing patterns arouses suspicion. it's fine to have a laptop with no desktop environment, but you're going to have to explain it in a way that itself doesn't arouse suspicion. and some of the technical language that goes into explaining a desktop environment and stuff might itself seem suspicious to them.

you want to avoid a conversation, not instigate one. have your laptop boot into Windows 7 or something by default, no password and no access to interesting files. make the second option in GRUB your actual operating system with all of your CP or terrorist files or whatever. a laptop that blinks some big gray letters for a few seconds and then loads Windows isn't interesting. one without a password is especially uninteresting. a laptop that doesn't turn on in a recognizable way to the officer is really fucking curious.

just hang back and chill for a while buddy. nobody here's qualified to help you with whatever's going on right now.

>The way the law is written I cannot be compelled to reveal this info. It is a trade secret.
I don't know about this. US law says Border Patrol can search your shit without a warrant. They may be able to force you to give up a VPN password if they knew about it.

it's unclear, but the search and seizure rule is only relatively diminished at the border (or rather within 100 miles, which is like 90% of the population) because it's not considered *unreasonable*. the directive of the 5th amendment is much more unequivocal than in the 4th amendment.

your constitutional rights are never really suspended. the criteria for "unreasonable" and other interpretable things just changes depending on the circumstances (arguably way, way too much when border patrol is concerned).