/pcbg/ - PC Building General

/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.

State the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA.
List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming.
Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs?
ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter.
pcpartpicker.com

>Information on how to assemble a PC, select components & more. (somewhat outdated)
wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

Currently worthwhile CPUs:
>G4560 for budget builds (i3 are only worthwhile for dwarf fortress and single-purpose emulator boxes
>i5 aren't worthwhile. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to Ryzen 7
>No R5 1400 unless discounted
>i7-6700k is good but pricey. If over budget: consider locked 7700; not chasing 4.8Ghz+ capable when you weren't gonna overclock, or get R5
>Cheap Z270 board is still good for faster memory in games w/ locked 7700, but aren't for overclocking (VRMs suck)
>R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use

Currently worthwhile GFX cards:
>RX470-RX580, 1070, 1080, 1080TI
>1060 is worth considering over a 580 if same/cheaper in your country, and/or you just play games it's better on for the price. 1050Ti is for mITX builds
>RX470/570 is usually all you need for 1080p@60hz.
>Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in many games atm
>Budget builds: consider integrated graphics over a card weaker than RX470, unless price/performance is better (discounted/used)
>May for Vega

General:
>No brand/model loyalty. Parametric filters on pcpartpicker can help
>Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed
>NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk
>Save money w/ mATX case/mobo, and if patient by purchasing your parts individually in flash sales

Other urls found in this thread:

videocardz.com/68741/galax-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-hof-features-163-phase-design
youtu.be/aZjOx3iimr8
pcpartpicker.com/list/Cytxjc
au.pcpartpicker.com/list/7rxZD8
amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=windows 10
pcpartpicker.com/list/
microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10
amazon.com/gp/product/B00VFS2KP4
de.pcpartpicker.com/list/BTGBJV
pcpartpicker.com/list/WVc2nn
twitter.com/NSFWRedditImage

CPUZ my RAM is dual ranked, but i can't find any information about it on crucial website.

How reliable is CPUZ?

Is the heat sink that obstructive that you can't just see with your eyes?

>no good AM4 itx motherboards, if any at all, available right now
What kind of tomfoolery is this?

dumb motherboard manufacturers.
It's also hard to fit all the chipset features on a small board.

>videocardz.com/68741/galax-geforce-gtx-1080-ti-hof-features-163-phase-design

Anyone think the Sliverstone ST45SF-G PSU can power a GTX 1080? My mini build needs an updgrade.

Just found this while watching reviews etc.: youtu.be/aZjOx3iimr8
Do you think this guy is right? I'm thinking of getting either X370 + 1600X or B350 + 1600 and OC it to 3.8GHz for 24/7 stable usage.
1600 vs 1600X is like 40€ difference here, for mobo it's Asus X370 vs whatever B350 is like 45€ plus 40€ for cooler. So it's about 120€ difference between those two setups.

What am I even looking for?

>only 3 8pins
Why bother?

Is there a wattage monitor on it?
If you undervolt and watch it, you'll be fine. Worse that happens is that power cuts out if you overload the PSU.

Yes, it seems that pretty much all the 1600s overlock to 4GHz at 1.4v fine. It's the best value. You might get 4.1-4.2 with a 1600X. The performance/$ of the 1600 is better and plus it comes with a cooler that you can probably get 3.7-3.8 on.
That's basically common knowledge stuff at this point.

What are some average operating temps for a Ryzen 1600?

Mine's hovering around 40C just downloading some Steam stuff and browsing the web. Was getting up to about 49C in Overwatch the other night. Am I good? This is my first time using real shit in a computer so I'm still fuzzy on how it all works.

>Scandinaviafag
>Not a gamingfag (use a ps4 for limited gaming)
>Will get into Vid-edit, 1080p (DJI Ph Adv)
>also, photo edit.

Ordered Anus mobo and Case, waiting to order the rest (hoping prices will drop).
Idk if i could go for saphire 460 instead, could save me about 80 usd.
Dont know if i even Windows

I'm getting 25c on idle just now, Ryzen 1600

How's your cooling set up? I only have the CPU fan plus the two fans that came stock on the case.

>What am I even looking for?
Oh kek I was thinking double sided vs single sided.
For SR/DR it's tricker. But it should say "DR" or "SR" in the model number.

Ryzen PSA:

SAMSUNG M378A1K43CB2-CRC

these cheap modules work at 3200 at CL18-18-18.

I'm getting a gtx 1070.
Does it make any difference if I get a cheaper msi version or a more expensive one, asus, gigabyte etc?

it makes difference to your ears

it may or may not sound like vacuum

dual sided =dual rank
no? so if its got chips on both sides = dual rank

Yes they vary, any comparison review can show you that, but not enough to make the difference between $325 for one and $400 for one worth the extra $75.

Cheaper one it is then, not like I'll be hearing it through headphones.

na dual rank isn't dual sided. It's something different.
I think single sided are always single rank, but dual sided can also be single rank.
It's how many data paths there are to the dies.

How can I know how much watts my computer is using at any moment? I have a lot of stuff like HWMonitor or HWinFO but I can't seem to find anything like that.

As long as it doesn't hit over 80-85 you're fine. Though I don't know anything AMD.

buy wattmeter

You get a PSU that can measure it and give results to software, or buy a wattmeter.

1600 if you want to OC, 1600X if you might not want to, or 7700. Idk I'm too tired right now, maybe someone else can help. Repost your build so far and what you wanted again.

If you're concerned about your temps, run a stress test and see how high it will go.

The reported temp should be below 75C to be within safe limits.

>price for 500gb mushkin ssd rose from 130 to 160 bucks

fuck, should've coped earlier. Now I could either buy a crucial or ocz or samsung I think.

Would anyone recommend the Thermaltake core v21?

Rate my budget 1080p build Sup Forums

Also pricedrop on 470 when?

You can still get the good ADATA or Crucial model for around that price.

Board seems expensive even for Aus.
And get 2400 RAM. It's a significant gaming performance improvement for cheap and the only way to get more performance out of that CPU.
Looks pretty okay, though.

Apparently samsung does not test their chips at above 2400 (2666 not available anywhere) so it's a lottery?
Or maybe they actually do and sell good chips to other companies and make their own sticks out of leftovers?
Anyway another interesting module is M378A1G43EB1-CRC that is dual rank.

FYI:

CL16 for RYZEN 5

pcpartpicker.com/list/Cytxjc

First time build, how did I do?

Thanks for the RAM tip, and yeah I can get cheaper boards but then i'd have to flash the BIOS and i don't have another cpu lying around to do it with, for $30 more or so the B250M doesn't have that problem.

Any news about Skylake-E?

I almost bought a 1800X plus motherboard

Is Prime95 actually good at doing stress tests?

That shit would run for a while at only 50C after installing a Cryorig H7. My CPU would reach 70 before and make 20 times more noise while playing old ass unoptimized games. Dunno if this is normal.

How to improve this build?

what's a good modem/router to get? anything is prob better than the leased one I have. I can spend as much as $120 on it.

move out of europe

cheapest pc that will:

1) play overwatch @ 144Hz minimum 1080p, any settings
2) stream somewhat smoothly to twitch

what's the cheapest CPU + GPU combo that can do this?

Personally I would like more PSU headroom for that build - at least 500W from a good brand.

Shit that sucks. You can get B250 boards for +/- $5 the cost of the G4560 itself here.

Should be announced at Computex.
Looks like they're making the wafers in late July. So on sale in September.
It looks like X399 may come sooner than that but AMD is just waiting to cuck Intel on that.

You want to buy overpriced housefires?

Thoughts on the micro PC form factor? Wanna replace my Lenovo tiny sometime in the near future and I've really come to love their size.

2400 RAM with Ryzen sounds pointless.

checked the RAM stickers there's no indication other than cpuz

he's not gonna draw over like 325. That's a nice PSU, too. But 450 or 500 wouldn't hurt if the same cost...

>1) play overwatch @ 144Hz minimum 1080p, any settings
>2) stream somewhat smoothly to twitch
>what's the cheapest CPU + GPU combo that can do this?
R7 1700 with a GTX 1060 overclocked to 2000MHz+.
If you're too pussy to overclock, get a GTX 1070.

No, Prime95 is not good for stress tests. Run 10 varied things simultaneously.

AMD is really getting it's shit together. Their WATTMAN over-clocking tool completely BTFO of anything that Nvidia offers.

Can anyone even name a good overclocking tool for nvidia cards? (you can't because there isn't one)

because you don't need to overclock it, nvidia is faster than any AMD card out of the box

ohh burn

Looks like a fairly ideal build, unless you can find a good 8GB RX480 on sale for around the same price.
Though I'd get the pro4 mATX board. Isn't it only $7 more?

The thing that bothers me about Nvidia's tools is that no one even realizes it has a framerate limiter in there that works way better than Vsync in games.
Enabling Vsync in games themselves is usually broken as fuck. It usually increases input latency, and usually locks it to 60fps instead of your monitor's refresh rate.
Nvidia's an AMD's framerate limiter both actually reduce latency.

But AMD's, besides having a high and low setting for it, puts it right there in Wattman so you can't miss it. Most people don't know the tool exists for Nvidia, when it's an extremely useful thing.

Typical Nvidiot. Did you sign over your social security number to Nvidia so you can use their gayforce experience?

VEGA will BTFO of the 1080ti while being cheaper.

Are temperatures of 83C normal for a 280x?

I'm just trying the demo for doom and even on low settings it gets there.

>Are temperatures of 83C normal for a 280x?
Not really, no. That's about as high as they should be getting at 100% load on a stock cooler I guess.

>Are temperatures of 83C normal for a 280x?

probably, my 290x jumps up to 94c and throttles for lack of a better word

that era of amd gpus ran hot

Well, idle temperatures are about 45C.

good to know AMD cards are just REACTING to whatever Nvidia puts out.

here's what tomshardware has to say, keep in mind room temperature affects temps

replacing thermal paste on a gpu is a pain in the ass but you can probably get a few c cooler if you do as well as clean the fans and heatsink fins

au.pcpartpicker.com/list/7rxZD8
thoughts?

Does those pre-activated torrents of Windows 10 work, or will I need to buy it?

and Nivida will be REACTING to VEGA by shitting their pants as their stock prices plummet.

Damn, I have the ASUS one. I guess I do have to check that shit up. Many thanks.

they've got something coming out. Just wait lol, it'll be epic

they don't state what their room temp is but keep in mind if yours is 10c higher than theirs was at test condition yours should show about 10c higher than room temp

Windows 10 is free.

>aus prices
jesus fucking christ.
It seems like the RX570 prices are way less retarded in Aus. You can get one for just 20% more than the US cost. But your 1070s are 80% more expensive. That price/performance makes no sense. Paying 2x for a card that's not nearly 2x more performant.
Maybe drop memory to 2800-3000 if prices are more sane there, too?

only thing that looks terrible is CL17 on both sticks

at this point i'm pretty sure AMD just forgot about hynix/micron at higher clock, because IMC is confirmed capable of high RAM clocks
microcode simply not programmed for hynix ram? will know next update

Need a 1080p and 1440p gaming machine on 60 fps and have a budget of 600$. Can someone help out with this?

should i go with the ryzen 5 1600 or 1600x?

1600 and overclock.

Your choice

How do you mean both?
No you can't do 1440p on max/high settings with a $600 budget. Wtf.

CL16-18 is fine on Ryzen. It doesn't care as much about latency as Intel CPUs do.

amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss_2?url=search-alias=aps&field-keywords=windows 10

That's some expensive freeware

motherboard just on top of the box lol still waiting for a case left it on for a while now and its hovering around 33-34c

do you want to buy a cooler? go 1600x
otherwise 1600

using stock cooler with stock paste.

>included preliminary support for AMD Zen 12-core and 16-core HEDT CPUs.
From AIDA64 change-logs, that were hence removed. Listed as X399.
It looks like AMD's X399 may show up right after Intel simply announces the date for X299. Early August or so.
AMD has been trying to keep it a secret despite announcing most else 6+ months ahead.

Expectation is quad channel, 64 PCIe lanes, and the same 3.6/4.1Ghz clocks on 12 and 16 cores.
There may also be an 8 core 1850X(tentative) that has quad channel memory support and more PCIe lanes, 2 cores per CCX (and thus double the cache per core), but is otherwise the same.

Samsung chip catalog only has three types:
CPB: DDR4-2133 (1066MHz @ CL=15, tRCD=15, tRP=15)
CRC: DDR4-2400 (1200MHz @ CL=17, tRCD=17, tRP=17)
CTD: DDR4-2666 (1333MHz @ CL=19, tRCD=19, tRP=19)
But that's all tested at 1.2V
I guess stick manufacturers buy these chips, bump voltage to 1.35V or whatever they consider "safe" and test max frequency and latency possible (idk if it's usually per stick or per bulk, in DDR2 days some manufacturers advertised every stick being tested manually)

Actually, out of the three types above, which one should have better OC chances?

I need a suggestion for 1080p gaming for this build.

pcpartpicker.com/list/

There are two choices here for a gpu which is basically rx 470/570 or nvidia 1060 (3gb). What would you chose for this build?

user.
microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10
Put it on an USB stick and install it. Everything works.

probably 2400 cl17, because you have wide range of timings to play with at reasonable clock

Took a desktop out of our building's dumpster. Turns out it's a P5QL-VM DO mobo with a C2Q Q8300, 2GB RAM, and a 500GB HDD. RAM is most certainly fucked up. Everything else seems to work fine. I'm gonna 4GB and use a 2GB I have laying around to fix it. Did I do good?

SALE

amazon.com/gp/product/B00VFS2KP4
loaf of bread keyboard wrist rest for only $14. 50% off.

nice link.
But you obviously don't go 1060 3GB.

Pretty good.

faggotry

>nice link.
oops

de.pcpartpicker.com/list/BTGBJV

why not? If I'm on a budget for 1080p gaming should I rather go for amd?

think it would be strong enough to use as a guest computer? sometimes friends come over and want to play overwatch
My local Kijiji has a 7950 HD for $100, should I grab it?

Nvidia GPUs generally shit the bed when they run out of VRAM. It's easy to use 3GB of VRAM. And lots of games use 3GB+ of VRAM.

Your build looks good, though.

Yeah, as long as you don't put a bloated OS on it.
Win7 with most services disabled, aero disabled, and a decent enough GPU, like, yeah a 7950 but really just an RX550 ($80 USD) or RX560 would be enough. Weaker, yes, but much more power efficient.
The CPU is strong enough.
Ideally you'd run Linux, though. But Blizzard is garbage and doesn't support Linux.

Which one?

And why?

I'm still in the process of evaluating which hardware to get for my new 1080p 144Hz gaming pc and I can't quite decide between getting a R5 1600 w/ GTX 1080 or a 7700k w/ GTX 1070, which would cost about the same.
Will there be significant performance differences between these two options ? Even if the 1600 / 1080 combo would perform about on par with the 7700 / 1070, having 2 extra cores would be nice.

get the one that'll fix your shit font rendering

msi one because its ips

>
>move out of europe

Top kek

I've just bought one for my first build. It starts with one 200mm fan at the front and you can add loads more on the sides with extra brackets. I haven't started my build yet because I'm waiting for my other parts but kitguru has a good review of it

>asus tilts right and left
never
ever
my current monitor has tilt sag and it's a bitch to deal with

The later is going to be GPU bottlenecked in almost everything.
The former should almost always get higher FPS but will be basically CPU bottlenecked despite only being at 70% utilization and shit, so CPU to spare for other shit despite the higher FPS.
The only problem with that is that Nvidia's driver is, at least currently, sketchy on Ryzen in a fair number of games. I would assume they'd fix it, but they haven't said anything about it.

Would a 1060 be an appropriate gpu to pair with the MSI?

None, 27 inch is too big for 1080p.

Help me, /pcbg/.
Should I wait for the big RAM OC compatibility BIOS update coming in a couple of weeks (AMD said May) before going Ryzen? Do you think it will help things a lot or is it not worth waiting for? Will the cookie-cutter build change?

yeah but it's cheap and I can watch movies on it from a distance easier

pcpartpicker.com/list/WVc2nn
Obligatory best build post