/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com
THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming. Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs? ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already
Currently worthwhile CPUs: >G4560 for budget builds (i3 are only worthwhile for dwarf fortress & single-purpose emulator boxes >i5 aren't worthwhile. Get Ryzen 5, drop down to G4560, or up to R7/i7 >R5 1400 is not worthwhile unless discounted >i7-7700k is good but bad value. If over budget, an R5 is probably as good or better for you >R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use. R5 1600 is budget.
Currently worthwhile GFX cards: >RX570, RX480(if cheap & not blower), RX580, 1080, 1080TI >RX570 is usually all you need for 1080p@60hz >RX550 & RX560 are worth considering if you just need 6 monitor support for cheap and/or play low end shit >1060 & 1070 are worth considering if you already have a Gsync monitor. 1050Ti is for mITX builds or if on sale at ~$100 >Nvidia GPU + Ryzen has issues in some specific games atm (Civ6, RoTR, Rocket League) >Budget builds: consider integrated graphics over a card weaker than RX560 >May for Vega
General: >No brand/model loyalty. Parametric filters on pcpartpicker can help >Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed >NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk >Stop fucking confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor >mATX can often save cost as the board+case is usually cheaper >1 DIMM is significantly slower than 2 DIMMs
Newbie here. Do I necessarily need a FreeSync monitor to go with the 1600 and RX 570? Does it make a significant difference? A monitor is the final thing I need, but it being FreeSync ups the price quite a bit.
Fellow Canadians, is it possible to get a decent 1080p IPS panel around $150-180?
Kevin Perry
Is there a functional difference between a 580 4gb and 570 is 1080p? What if I upgrade to 1440p? I want to be able to play all my shit in Ultra.
Kevin Moore
i dont understand why your monitor needs to have Freesynch. I don't understand why you can't just limit the FPS in your games settings to match your refresh rate
Jordan Smith
>play all my shit in Ultra >1440p 1080 is the one to get
Isaiah Long
I already have a 1080p monitor. Should I opt for the 570 or the 580 4gb?
Brandon Wilson
you said you might upgrade to 1440p and want to run at ultra.
580 are the best 1080p value cards, 1070-1080 is best for 1440p and 4k at 30 frames
Isaac Cruz
Alright, that's what I was curious about. I guess I'll opt for the 580 4gb and stick to 1080p then.
Jonathan Morris
Is it possible to cool a 80W cpu with a tower cooler, but without the fan? The cpu will be capped at 50%.
Colton Baker
IPS? Probably not. You can get 1080p 75hz Freesync TNs for like $105-$115 in the US.
RX580 8GB can play most games maxed at 1440p 60fps. But there are some games like GR Wildlands and Dishonored 2 that are shittily optimized and you'll have to drop all the way down to medium to keep over 60fps.
Lucas Martinez
Best 1080 gtx card? Looking to spend around $500. 520 max
Kevin Jenkins
Definitely at capped load You could probably do it at full load too but you'd have to orient it so the hot air rises through the fins. Basically it would depend a lot of what way your case is facing.
Jaxon Ramirez
I want to fuck the GPU dragon
Lucas Ward
RX580 runs most games at highest settings at 1440p
Remember you don't really need AA at that resolution so you can save some frames from that.
Check out the "Passive Cooler Comparison: Thermal Rise" table to see how some tower heatsinks that are advertised as being capable of passive operation fare during an extended stress test.
It should be possible, but you'll want to buy a either a "passive" CPU heatsink tower or a dual tower heatsink, remove one of the fans, and explicitly set the middle fan (between the two tower heatsinks) to a static low PWM setting, like 20%, in the bios for near silent operation.
Angel Stewart
>Ultra >1440p >GTX 1080
Hah, for the next year maybe. Only do this if you plan on upgrading in 12 - 18 months.
If you're a more reasonable human being, you'll spend the extra 250 and buy a 1080 Ti. Then not need a new GPU for 2+ years
Christian Lewis
how much should i charge my friend for my used i5 3570k?
Cooper Nelson
...which is literally just a less beefy Ryzen but with GPU cores strapped on to it instead. Are you stupid?
Kayden Campbell
Look up ebay prices
find cheapest
reduce by 25, 50 or 75% depending on how close of friends.
It's fine but you shouldn't OC You can probably get a higher clock but you probably wont be able to reach the turbo clock on all cores without going up to 90 degrees and ryzen turbo is really quite effective. OC'd 1800Xs usually have -worse- single core performance because OCing disables turbo.
Jose Bailey
Pretty much just a console and media streaming. On a 2500k and 7970. I need an upgrade and don't care about oc and benchmarks anymore.
Isaac Wilson
Then that is a good build.
Tyler Lopez
That RAM will probably be limited to 2666MHz. The CMK 3000MHz corsair modules arent very good for ryzen. the CMK 3200MHz are and the CMD 3000MHz will work at 2933MHz too.
Oliver Richardson
This is a cute comic, what is it?
Wyatt Harris
Looks like something MSI has put toghether. Apparently that dragon is some mascot based on their gaming logo
Lincoln Perez
Is 3200MHz Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB RAM compatible with a Gigabyte AM4 AX370 Gaming 5 Mobo? The supported memory list doesn't explicitly state it does but it supports virtually every modern Corsair kit it seems.
Matthew Torres
I did it reddit!
Please tell me if it's incompatible or anything, I don't care about games or anything. I'll use it for heavy software compilation and 4K normietube streaming
David Cooper
the fan on the CM hyper sucks >buying antivirus faggotry >radeon rx550 >2GB what the fuck are you doing >8GB of RAM get at least 16GB, the more RAM the better, especially if you go into photography and run photoshop/lightroom also get an SSD to stick your software into, it's not only games that benefit from fast load times
Cooper Rodriguez
>run loonix and GPU passthrough Windows >LOOK MOM I POSTED IT AGAIN
Robert Long
Compatible and functional are 2 different things. It's pretty unlikely for it to completely not work but If it's not on the compatibility list it almost definitely wont work at 3200MHz and 2933MHz is also unlikely. If there's not a single version of that ram family in the compatibility lists of any of the AM4 motherboards then you have to start worrying about straight up unbootable RAM.
Austin Cooper
two riced desktops is better than one
Ethan Roberts
wtf I love your setup now
Benjamin Jackson
Suggestions on how to improve this? pcpartpicker.com/list/ My budget is $900 and I'm saving for Vega if it turns out well. I'm a video editor/streamer/competitive fps gaymer.
Did you check to see if that RAM is compatible? You also still need a GPU because Ryzen is like a Xeon, no iGPU included.
Jaxon Wright
could i run skyrim enb mods with an rx480?
Austin Lopez
What is the margin of difference between an RX 480 8GB and a RX 580 4GB? I'm ignorant when it comes to graphics cards and I don't really understand the scale of quality with different GB
Robert Jones
Yes. Get 8GB MSI RX 480.
Robert Jones
one has higher clock speed on slightly higher power draw while the other is lower clock one has more RAM if you do a fuckton of modding/high res textures in your videogames
Nolan James
RX500 series happen to be rebrands of RX400 series, with _very_ minimal improvements. Getting an extra 4GB VRAM with the RX480 is a larger upgrade than anything small bundled with the RX580 release.
Christopher Peterson
Ok thanks. So hypothetically a 4GB of either series would be alright if I don't care about ultra high settings? Sorry, it's my first build.
Nicholas Barnes
>slightly higher power draw Lol
Landon Jackson
Now post the MSI and Gigabyte power draws.
Cooper Bennett
RX 480 was meant to be a mainstream budget GPU, so yes.
If you're going to wait for a GPU, you might as well benefit more from an intel 7700k. Also wish Ryzen builders would quit overspending for faster RAM and direct that money towards places where the money makes a bigger difference.
Camden King
About to pull the trigger on my first build /pcbg/
>Remember you don't really need AA at that resolution so you can save some frames from that. AA at the resolution still helps. But you can inject SMAA into like any game, afaik. It's a lot faster than MSAA 4x shit.
John Wilson
>Asus Better check the quality on the coolers.
Nicholas Powell
I know, it breaks my heart but what can ya do
Tyler Foster
I couldn't find a decent review with a gigabyte one but I did find something. If i were to put slightly in front of anything in your sentence it would be "higher clock speed" because damn the performance gains from this power draw are marginal as fuck. Even the sapphire card with the 980ti tier TDP was only around 10% faster than a stock 480.
Jayden Sullivan
If you're looking to buy a laptop then sure, wait for Raven Ridge. But don't expect it anytime this year. AMD roadmap has that scheduled for Q4 which realistically means actual products Q1 2018. Until then it will continue to be nothing but Intel+NVidia laptops available. This annoys me as a GNU/Linux user since NVidia GPUs aren't an option. Honestly, though, the only reason to get a new laptop is that they are shifting to 1080p IPS as the standard (though they should just go 1440p or 4k already) which is a step up from that garbage 1366x768 TN standard that we've had for nearly a decade (why can a cheap Chinese tablet manufacturer make a laptop with a 3000x2000 pixel IPS screen, 8MP webcam and a garbage Atom Intel CPU but Lenovo can't make a laptop with a decent screen and a usable webcam when they charge ten times more?).
Julian Kelly
If you think that's bad you should see the shipping. Same day shipping is a myth here and the only way you'll get next day shipping is if you order early in the morning and the sender is in the same city as you. Also the prices would seem ridiculous to americans.
Asher Peterson
Ikr. That's my build and each fucking part is like $20 shipping. I tried my local shops but either they had nothing or were WAY more expensive again.
Kayden Morris
What's the best brand for the rx500s? I've seen people say both ASUS and gigabyte are junk.
Oliver Martinez
You can definitively get a 1080p IPS for $150 in Canada because that's pretty close to what we have to pay for one in Europe. Make sure you look for a shop that's got the latest technology because the amount of cheap/affordable IPS monitors exploded Q1 2017. A monitor from say Q3 2016 that's been sitting in stock will have a price-tag of perhaps $220 while just-released ones will be more like $150. Also, Lenovo has some rather nice 1440p 24" IPS panels for $200 and 27" 1440p IPS panels at $300.
My advice? If you're going to buy a R5 1600 and a RX 570 then you should definitively buy a 27" 1440p IPS to go along with that. Think about it, you're paying a whole lot of money for a computer. Why wouldn't you spend enough to get a great picture out of it?
Oh one last little detail. You absolutely do not want to buy a TN panel, not in 2017. Those are no longer worth it and they aren't even cheaper than IPS panels anymore.
> Freesync Nice to have, but you don't need it. If you're looking at two almost identical 27" 1440p IPS panels at the same price-point and one has freesync and the other doesn't then take the one with freesync. If the freesync one is $50 extra then don't bother.
Angel Torres
Powercolor Red Devil and Sapphire Nitro+ MSI regressed, they had a good thing going only to fuck it up in the next release
Julian Wright
yes/no. :) I use a Pure Rock 140W TDP cooler on a 65W CPU. It has a fan on it that's PWM controlled and rarely spinning.
The CPU is sitting between 36-40C without the fan 99% of the time. If I start something which taxes all the CPU cores at full load over time like ffmpeg video encoding then the temperature will go up above 50C after 15-20 minutes and then the fan kicks in. It's barely possible to hear it at about 900 RPM but it spins.
A lot of massive "big" cooler will do just fine without a fan most of the time but unless it's a really insanely huge one like the NoFan's then you'll probably want to have a mostly unused but connected fan. You can't expect to be able to do something like video encoding which puts full load on all CPU-cores for hours and hours with a passive heatsink. That's obviously not what you'll be doing most of the time but you need a fan for those rare occasions.
Alexander Gutierrez
xfx seems to always be pretty solid and is rumored to have good customer service
Lincoln Perry
I believe it is. Not sure how to check though. It's Samsung B-die
Kayden Collins
Is power supply corsair vs650 good for ryzen and rx 480?
Robert Bell
Pulling the trigger on my first build amd need advice, especially on my mATX case+mobo combo. r8 but don't h8
mobo is necessary for wifi+ bluetooth hard drive is also necessary and barracuda 2016 is the best drive for longlivety
Jeremiah Clark
This is my first build so this might be an extremely retarded question:
Do I need to hook up both of my CPU and VGA cables from my power supply? And is the peripheral for the monitor? I'm an idiot. I'm well aware.
Carter Bailey
Just to let you know, it's on an MSI 350 tomahawk MB using a RYZEN 1700x processor.
Bentley Martin
>CPU cables gpu caple to monitor, ignore mobo cables
Gabriel James
>barracuda 2016 best drive for longevity >basing that on 1 year of results nah, i dont buy it. seagate has had problems before, and until i see 5+ years of good performance im not buying it until then the tried and true hgst nas drives are still king in my book
Ayden Roberts
In Canuckland I can get an RX570 4GB for $278 CAD or an RX480 8GB for $330 CAD. What's the better option?
Juan Rodriguez
Anyone decide to build the $1500 computer put together by Tech Deals? I'm thinking about it. Including monitor and peripherals and OS it looks like its coming out to $2500. Might upgrade on the case because the one suggests is kind of ugly.
Easton Thompson
Asus strix
Parker Anderson
>basing that on 1 year of results thats not how stress tests work, and also they have had 5+ years of good performance, it was like one drive that had a horrible failure rate that skewed there results. Also hgst has increased their failure rate after the western digital acquisition
Andrew Myers
I have literally no clue what you mean...
Chase Foster
yeah literally noone knows what your talking about
Hunter Martinez
I have decided on an RX 480 for my first build... do brands actually matter?
Brody Jenkins
So I just bought an open box Z170 s off of newegg. I was expecting it to be missing some components but certainly not the I/O shield. Finally get it in the mail and it came with 4 sata cables and would you guess, no I/O shield. I called asus to confirm it still had the 5 year warranty if shits fucked and luckily it does. Asus said they only machine the exact amount of I/o shields as they have boards and basically told me to pack sand. I found one on ebay though. Turns out this guys has a shitton of I/Os in his listings along with other misc stuff. It shipped from within driving distance to the newegg DC. I'm betting this fuck takes the parts from openboxes and sells them on eBay. /rant
Austin Edwards
>17 dollarydoos for a backplate
Literal rape.
Tyler Reyes
anyone in australia want an i5 3570k + gtx 670 build? comes with h100 cooler. $300
Jordan Smith
I feel your pain. I got the MSI 350 tomahawk mobo and bought the cryorig H7 cooler. Well come to find out the H7 requires a special bracket for the AMD mobo. Contacted their customer service and it's obvious it's a ton of pajeet who barely know how to speak English by the way they typed. After proving my purchase they sent me a free bracket and said it would take 4-7 days. 8 days later and he hasn't shown up and I contact their CS again for a tracking number but their lack of English made them just say "it's been sent already" next day it arrived. So I had to wait 9 days to finish my first build ever.
William Thompson
boo hoo
Daniel Price
Yes
Parker Diaz
Best GPU to run most games at 1080p on 144Hz?
Would a RX 580 suffice?
Leo Smith
I'm not sure if any CPU can run most games at 144fps. The games dont use enough threads and single threaded performance even on intel's cpus isn't good enough
Dylan Edwards
games are GPU based desu, 1080 could do constant 144 frames at 1080p
Evan Mitchell
At what point is power supply efficiency not worth the jump in price Bronze? Silver? Gold?
Christopher Howard
You do not know enough about computers to be correcting people about... pretty much anything.
Samuel Wood
Get gold. It's 90% efficiency rating.
Basically power delivery isn't linear so if you have a shitty psu it could drop too low and crash your shit (true story)
Nathaniel Gray
Wrong.
Aaron Hughes
>garbage cooler >garbage mobo >slow RAM >only 8GB >workstation >only 1TB WD fucking Blue >no SSD >ITX case for mATX board >USB wifi Pure autism. Just buy a prebuilt or a Mac like the other retarded normies before you hurt yourself.
Joshua Fisher
See like that. Don't do that. The only posts you should be making is questions so you can be less dumb.
