/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.
>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter. pcpartpicker.com/
THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA. List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming. Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs? ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already
CPUs: >G4560 for budget builds (i3 for dwarf fortress & single-purpose emulator HTPC >R5 1500X will keep above 60fps in almost every game. No i5 >R5 1600 is the best value for higher fps gaming, and/or mixed productivity and gaming use if you will overclock. 1600X if not >delided i7-7700k is good but bad value. A 1600X is probably as good/better for you >R7/Xeon for compute/multitask/mixed use
Graphics: >G4560 iGPU is fine for LoL, dota2, rocket league, etc >1050Ti - if on sale for ~$105. RX560 soon & looks good >RX570 4GB - 1080p@60-90hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz >RX580 8GB - 1440p@60-75hz, inject SMAA and drop settings for some games >1060/1070 - Gsync is bad value; Freesync is cheaper. See below >1080 - 1080p@90-144hz. Min worth getting Gsync monitor for >1080Ti - 1440p@90-144hz. 4K with settings to low-medium, some maxed >Freesync2 & Vega soon. Vega will likely be the best 4K GPU, but we don't know yet
General: >READ PRODUCT REVIEWS on a retailer page to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable. >Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed >NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk >Stop fucking confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor >mATX is often cheaper as the board+case is usually less >1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs
Why does the 7700k stutter? It's the best gaming CPU from Intel and it microstutters on games.
Robert Perry
Okay, for the most part I plan on playing games, some light content creation, and a fair amount of other multitasking (Voice calls, Chrome near-always open for looking stuff up and having some quiet music open on youtube/soundcloud) I'm considering getting Asus Prime X370 for holding out through AM4's lifespan, but I'm also considering dropping the 1600 to a 1400. Would saving $60 be worth not having those 2 extra cores?
Justin Perez
1400 is a poorman i5.
Nathan Sanchez
idk. I don't think the analysis on its stuttering problem is that great. I remember when SLI and Crossfire, and AMD GPUs for half a decade ago in general, had this microstutter problem. People swore they saw it, swore it existed, but it took MONTHS for people to actually figure out tests which could measure the problem and prove that people weren't imagining things.
There is a question of whether maybe people just configured their PCs improperly in some way that makes the 7700k stutter (but then why do Ryzen PCs not get "configure improperly" and stutter?) But yeah you can see it right on the external video capture for those that do that, that it seems some frames just aren't going out even though SOFTWARE frametime analysis doesn't catch it.
Maybe in a few months people will actually figure it out and get concrete proof. Maybe there is some architecture flaw with them causing it like in those Atom CPUs. Maybe it's something wrong with their SoC PCI-e lanes sometimes not outputting instructions properly to the GPU. But I figure if anyone has enough money to buy a 7700k, delid it, buy a $80+ cooler, an expensive Z270 board, so on and so forth, they can afford to replace their motherboard and CPU in a year or two if it turns out to really be that much of a lemon.
1400 isn't worth it unless on sale to be much cheaper than the 1500X. The 1500X is only 11% more MSRP and for that you get: Much higher stock clocks (3.9GHz XFR) more OC headroom a better stock cooler 5-10% higher IPC(due to the increased cache) better memory compatibility. (1400 often have trouble running over 2400 or 2666 RAM more often).
I'd recommend the 1500X. Yes, the 1600 is hardly more, and better value if you overclock, but the 1500X is already beyond more powerful than most people need at that price so there is little point in spending more for most people.
Colton Richardson
Is a dual fan Video card worth 50$ extra over a single fan?
William Bell
What's an alternative then? The i5 7600k? I heard that stutters too.
Kayden King
got my tax return bux and looking to jump ship from my trusty 4 year old hunk of garbage.
does this look any good? is there any upcoming shit that is worth holding out for? what the fuck is a Ryzen and should it interest me?
Lincoln Mitchell
the 7600k is way worse and easily measurably so. It's the 7700k and other higher thread count Intel CPUs which seem to stutter but not show up in a lot of software tests. 4c/4t is bad in a lot of newer games if you want to consistently stay over 60fps for every single frame. The alternative is the 1600X. Its averages may not be as high as the 7700k overall, but it's smoother.
Not really when you can get an after market cooler for like $50? Get what's better quality, OCs better, best value. Read reviews.
Nolan Long
Dual fans probably would be worth the extra money due to running a fair amount cooler, and having more headroom for performance. Depending on the card, that extra $50 wouldn't be a noticeable difference. Something like a single fan GTX1070 would benefit pretty heavily from 2-3 fans compared to single fan, whereas sub-1060 probably wouldn't put off enough heat to warrant spending the extra.
Connor Edwards
>i5
user, please.
>1080
You best be getting a 1440p or 4k monitor.
Angel Allen
>user, please.
sorry i'm out of the loop, what should i be looking into?
>You best be getting a 1440p or 4k monitor.
i have a 1440p monitor atm.
Noah Thomas
Anyone got recommendations on a build for a general purpose PC? I don't really play games though if I do it's mostly LoL and Runescape with occasional Witcher 3 on medium settings. I want something that'll last 5+ years and is fast at web browsing and running multiple applications at once + driving a 4k monitor.
My current set up is a 2500k and GTX 670; it has served me well but it is dated. Thanks.
Connor Moore
>i5 no There's also an incredible amount wrong with that build. But I wont' bother pointing them out since you need to start over anyway.
Also read the fucking OP.
1600. I just upgraded from my 2500k to a 1600X. It's super nice.
Gabriel Baker
Yeah I've been thinking Ryzen; I'm split between the 1600/X and the 1700 though. Do I need the additional 2 cores you think?
Ayden Robinson
> Do I need the additional 2 cores you think?
This is one of those things where if you have to ask you don't.
Thomas Sullivan
I have enough money to buy a gtx 1070 should I go for it or just wait? I won't be using it much till Christmas this year
Cameron Walker
Do you already have a Gsync high refresh rate monitor? Then yeah, sure. If not, I'm not sure why you were even considering it to begin with.
Luis Flores
As others already said: 1400 only if on serious sale. 1500X if you're fine with 4 cores and don't want to OC. 1600, the sweat spot for Ryzen. 6C12T, good stock cooler, good OC to equal the 1600X. Imho you should get the 1600 + B350 or X370. I web with 1600 + Asus X370 Pro because i value good VRM, audio, longevity and have hopes in AM4 to maybe upgrade later on. B350 is still a fine choice, especially on budget.
Christian Green
I just want 60fps @ 1440p, the benchmarks for 1070 look good for that
This kid has a better rig than you, what's your excuse?
Hudson Long
wait for vega
Jackson Reed
i wish i had rich parents or good job or didnt live in 3th world
Dominic Martin
I'm not an autistic downie child of some russian oligarch.
Colton Murphy
So just 60hz, not Freesync nor Gsync? You'd be good with an 8GB RX580. A 1070 would be overkill in most cases, but you'd more often be able to keep things maxed for the handful of games you can't with the 580. Games now days rarely look better on "max" than "high", though. I'd save the money to use to buy a better monitor later.
>picture related
Justin Barnes
Are case fans important?
William Edwards
B U L L S H I T U L L
S H I T
Stop repeating this imbecile meme put settings on ultra or even v.high and see how your fps take a nose dive into the 30s
If somone want to play at max settings in 1080p he needs at last 1070
Juan Cruz
>can't read >keeps being refutted but keeps spamming the same bullshit >will start posting 16x MSAA benchmarks next.
Yeah. You should have at least one.
Lincoln Cook
upgrading from my dying 6 years old i5 2500k. Is this a good build?
>enjoys playing on medium with no aa >try to convince everyone that its the way to play stop being obnoxious stop telling people who want to buy a car that public buss is all they need
You WONT PLAY GAMES ON ULTRA OR V.HIGH on rx580/gtx1060 tier card you need more power If you dont need more than fine but others may not feel the same
Chase White
>doesn't know what SMAA is I really wish you were banned. Your ignorance is proven thread after thread, but you keep spamming the same dumb shit since your ignorant ass never learns anything .
Parker Parker
Not that guy but thanks for sharing that information.
Jason Hernandez
No, a 580/1060 is plenty.
Lucas Young
Honestly you should check newegg, they had a couple of combo bundles and stuff off for my ryzen 1600 build I made in the last week.
Doesn't pay to look around.
Lucas Nguyen
how much of a meme is Ryzen really
Zachary Morris
Its so good Tom's latest cpu of the month article is basically a hit piece against AMD.
Juan Smith
>down of war what ever aliasing jaggies and low settings lover
Jeremiah Kelly
What should I be looking for with an aftermarket GPU cooler? Are there any decent solutions that aren't watercooled?
Nathan Jones
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Angel Lewis
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Austin Perry
>jaggies ok shill
That's from beta. AMD driver update changed that. Check Hardware Unboxed's recent video. Also that's from the most untrustworth source ever. Everyone knows that and you're not fooling anyone.
neat
Alexander Ortiz
>MSAA on deferred rendering engines
lol
Caleb Brown
For no microstuttering in games and a 100% smooth experience, should I go AMD? Intel has better thread performance for single threads, but I don't know.
Considering a 1700x with a RX 480 (or should I wait for the 580?). I just want to max out all games at 1080p 60fps with no problem.
Christian Smith
>Intel has better thread performance for single threads
If you have a technical understanding of how ryzen is different from kabylake and older Intel architectures for the most part ryzen has higher IPC. The reasons why we don't see this massively right now are many and complex.
Anthony Rivera
get r5 1600 going for r7 is waste of money their gaming performance is identical >I just want to max out all games at 1080p 60fps with no problem. get gtx1070 or wait a month for vega c3 you wont be maxing out games with rx 580 you will be playing at high settings and average 60fps
Gabriel Murphy
just like always with amd amd is best but all the world hide it using sabotage and black magic lol
Gabriel Adams
That was not what was said at all you fool. Even in simple terms coding to the limitations of Intel's now aging architecture makes sense given (up until now) its IPC advantage - it is a known quantity. Ryzen is brand new, has its own pitfalls to avoid.
It is why in ServeTheHome's reviews ryzen is slaughtering Intel's efforts because 1) Linux has better support for ryzen right now compared to windows and 2) the tasks they are benching are sensitive to the IPC advantage ryzen has at points.
4 complex ops a cycle is no joke.
Jayden Long
I just don't want to pull the trigger on the 1600 and see something like Fallout 4 have stuttering issues.
Ayden Clark
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William Lewis
well than buy intel r7 1800x will have exact same performance in fallout 4 as r5 1600 especially after oc. But there wont be many more games written like fallout so i wouldn't worry that much. Pic related is absolute worst case scenarion. But if you decide to go with intel go with i7 forget i5
Ayden Morris
>But there wont be many more games written like fallout so i wouldn't worry that much.
How do ytou know that?
Jayden Miller
Modern Fallout games are probably the worst coded shit ever. They would stutter even in a NASA supercomputer.
Adrian Robinson
AMD are partnered with Bethesda and working on optimizing the game for 90fps+ FO4 VR.
Connor Evans
how much worse could i do than a gigabyte moba? i usually get asus but all of their features suck when it comes down to the b350 chipset.
Robert Morgan
>I just don't want to pull the trigger on the 1600 and see something like Fallout 4 have stuttering issues. why didn't you bother googling? youtube.com/watch?v=qgxhmFnWYE4 Looks like a solid Vsync locked 60fps to me for 1600+RX470. I'm assuming he OC'd the 1600, but it doesn't say.
Owen Hughes
m.2 is just a form factor correct so I could just use it as my main drive in a pc right
Sebastian Morales
Yes and yes.
Gabriel Myers
alright thanks senpai
Aiden Lopez
any mini itx ryzen mobos coming out soon?
Wyatt Hall
I'm a software dev that has no knowledge of PC building, wanna build my first gayman/coding pc.
How's this for 1080p 60fps gaming?
non-K CPU's means I don't need to buy a separate cooler right?
Christian Edwards
>i5 why is your hardware knowledge so bad when you're a programmer? Are you one of those "lua programmers"?
Adam Scott
I'm a newbie and I was too poor to care about hardware. I looked at youtube benchmarks basically and went from there...
>Ordered my 7700k about two weeks ago >Turns out it's actual garbage Oh fuck, what do I do now? Should I cancel it and go with Ryzen? Do they have good mATX mobos?
Sebastian Williams
>I'm a software dev If that's pertinent, just get the best ryzen you can afford, wtf
Also i'm not really sure why you picked a motherboard more expensive than the CPU you picked. The one i put is a budget one but i'm using it and doing video editing / encoding, audio encoding, coding, gayming, streaming & recording, and it's serving me well so far. It also has 6 satas so there's that
Carson Russell
seeing that motherboard in there makes me angry
get a gold certified PSU
look into crucial for your SSD since they're a lot cheaper than samsung
obviously switch CPU to an R5 1600 or something, get a B350 motherboard to go along with it
Austin Smith
Getting a ryzen 1700X and a shitty rx470. What range of PSU should I look at?
Is 550 going to be enough?
Nicholas Reed
>rx470 I meant rx570
Easton Allen
>Getting a ryzen 1700X and a shitty rx470. That's a poorly balanced build if for gaming purposes.
>Is 550 going to be enough? yes
Nathan Sullivan
plan on building a PC with my tax return. every time I ask I get different recommendations, since I need everything.
budget is 1200$ with a monitor included, games I plan to play are GSGs like EUIV and CK2, STALKER, and stuff like that, nothing too intensive.
would appreciate some help.
Ethan Ortiz
Nah, that ain't for gaming or anything.. It's just for watching movies/TV series really. Thanks.
Henry Walker
Ausfag?
Jacob Parker
>It's just for watching movies/TV series really. T
Looking to get some mileage out of this system without delving too much into upgrades early on, just looking for some final input whether this system is okay or not.
1440p (120hz), wanna max out games like The Witcher 3 and some future titles at greater than 60 fps, don't do anything in regards of rendering or other programs whatsoever, budget is around $1300-1500.
Dominic Johnson
And some software dev. Linux fag.
Grayson Rogers
you don't need a $350 cpu to watch movies and tv series, a $50 can do it just as much Nor do you need a dedicated GPU for that
Go for the cheapest intel cpu you can find instead.
Ian Parker
Would be wiser to drop that to a 6 cores R5 1600. Considering you don't do anything really CPU intensive, going for an R7 is quite overkill.
Wyatt Stewart
>gaming purposes I forget this is /vgcag/ - Video Game Console Assembly General
Robert Sullivan
I don't see much usages where it would be wise to go R7 1700x & rx 470
Wyatt Carter
what else would you do on your pc are you some kind of nerd lol?
Angel Watson
>Considering you don't do anything really CPU intensive, going for an R7 is quite overkill. Nope, I do really do CPU intensive tasks. I compile heaps of shit in the background. Plus I virtualize other distros time to time.
Nathan Brooks
Then say it right away man, because > It's just for watching movies/TV series really. Thanks. really doesn't make me think you compile heaps of shit in the background Plus virtualize other distros time to time.
Nathan Taylor
lol, you got a point
Jack Bennett
Looks good to me Might wanna wait a few weeks for vega or something but it's still a good build, you can go for it
Angel Powell
Ok so this is my current shitpile
>i5 4430 >r9 270 >8Gb
I was said by numerous people that my cpu should be fine for a while (even though I wish I had made a 2500k build that would have creamed this). And 8GB is enough for anything other than shit optimized games. So I guess all that remains is the GPU. I dont wanna waste another chance to buy a good used card, but the people keep just recommending the 1000 or 500 series. Can I give this card away for like 70€ and get a good used one for like 100ish €? I was thinking the 770 but I was said it's not that big an upgrade
Parker Martinez
>Can I give this card away for like 70€ Probably around $55 ~ $65 instead
>and get a good used one for like 100ish €? Very unlikely, only the RX 480/580 or GTX 1060 (or anything more expensive than that) would be worth upgrading to, but there's no way you can find those at 100€ even used.
Julian Hall
>I was thinking the 770 but I was said it's not that big an upgrade youtube.com/watch?v=kBH6X--41Cg It's a very, very, very slight upgrade. Don't do it.
Chase Nguyen
Is the be quiet dark rock 3 enough to handle the I-7 7700k?
Benjamin Mitchell
yes might wanna add a second fan to it
Isaiah Gray
fuck I thought I saw it sold for 160 new. oh well it seems 60-70€ is my best case scenario
your link says 280x mate I have a 270. as I understand it's a pretty significant jump from 270 to 280x
Gavin Allen
>might wanna add a second fan to it Please elaborate. Do you mean a case fan or a second fan to the cooler?
Kayden Wood
This day and age the 280x (aka 7970ghz) is closer to a 780 than the 770. I still agree its not worth to upgrade to a 770 though.
Michael Rogers
I HAVE A 270 REEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Gavin Cook
Isn't the 370 in there just a 270?
Cameron Hill
Why else would he spend that much money on a gaming GPU?
