25k after incentives (poorfags)

>25k after incentives (poorfags)
>safest car ever (safe fags)
>self driving (lazy millennial fags)
>0~60 faster than 150k cars (muh speed fags)
>cost next to nothing to operate (jews)
>environmentally friendly (woman)

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Does it run gentoo?

it's a lithium hog tho and batteries will need to be replaced.

Let's see how long those incentives last after they start selling 100K cars/year.
>implying people will pay higher taxes to buy electric cars for other people

The Federal $7500 tax credit expires after a manufacturer sells 200k qualifying cars total; Tesla will probably hit this number a year or two after the Model 3 his mass production, depending on how many they sell domestically versus export. GM will also likely exhaust its credits by 2019, if the Bolt & Volt keep selling at their current pace.

>OP is a fag

~60 faster than 150k cars (muh speed fags)

How much does it weight?
Can I work on it myself?
Does it handle well? (see first question)
Can I drift it?
Can I rally it?
Can I autocross it?


Hardly a "muh speed fags", or gearhead car.
Gear is the key word.

Kinda like oil...

>How much does it weight?
probably 3800-4000 lbs
>Can I work on it myself?
in your dreams
>Does it handle well? (see first question)
Not likely.
>Can I drift it?
nope
>Can I rally it?
nope
>Can I autocross it?
maybe for 2 minutes before it overheats.

reminder to get GNU or get out.

///M POWER

Wtf is that electric lawnmower?

>if it breaks in any way or gets in a fender bender it takes 2 months to get it shipped to a repair facility, fixed and then shipped back to you
>you have no car during these 2 months
>literally every other brand of car can get minor repairs done within a few hours at a local dealership

Will the Tesla related butthurt ever stop?
The Hyundai ioniq is much more economical than any Tesla, btw.

Cue the oil shills coming out of the woodwork saying that "batteries make more carbon than ICEs"

An equal amount of lithium will take you a great deal farther than an equal amount of gasoline. Lithium is recyclable and basically landfill safe.

How much oil do you figure I could buy for the price of a battery replacement?

Tesla doesn't have dealerships due to retarded laws

Look it up

No, because Tesla figured out how to get people to spend $100k on their cars.

Their buyers are not people who would have otherwise brought a prius, but these are people who would have bought a 7 series BMW.

The pay back period for a tesla is in the decades.
If people wanted to save money they would buy a hybrid.
If people wanted to save the environment they would buy some economical ICE car

What people want is to be see driving a status symbol of wealth and exclusivity

>batteries will need to be replaced.

Not really, in modern EV's the batteries are designed to last just as long as the car itself. If something goes wrong, in the worst case scenario you'll have to replace it in like 10 years maybe, but by then battery prices will probably have fallen to a third or less of what it is today, so that's no big deal at all.

You are correct.
There already exists businesses that will 'fix' your prius battery for you for much less than a new one.

its not like all the cells go back at once, they just find the bad one, put in a new one and its done.
Lots of labor to do so, but it is being done.

Consumer reports did an article about a 10 year old prius compared to how it performed when it was new, there was barely any change in terms of performance. Yes it went down slightly, but nothing like dropping off a cliff shit.

How is a hybrid cheaper? You can charge for free at superchargers and plenty of other places

or you know, owning the fastest production car on the planet

>Safest car ever
If a heavy truck hits you, the truck will win. Don't try and pull the same BS that Smart Car owners do.
>Self driving
Not really. You still need to be attentive to the road.
>0-60 fast
Sure, until Tesla remotely disables your car's launch as punishment for using it. Look it up, they cite battery concerns.
>Costs nothing to operate
Insurance is still the same, gas is only marginally more expensive than the electricity, and maintenance only looks cheap right now because the cars are all new. It'll be a bitch when shit breaks and Tesla's non-existent repair network comes to light.
>environmentally friendly
Consumer cars aren't a significant source of CO2 compared to industries and aircraft.

Also this is your daily reminder that Tesla remotely disables fast charging on your car if you use it too much. Enjoy having to plan an extra hour of sitting for every 3 hours of an actual road trip, teslafags.

Just do the math.

How much does a Tesla cost ?
a 90D costs about 87K
price goes up further if you want premium shit like auto pilot or other things
You could easily price it well beyond 100K


A Honda Accord Hybrid costs about 30K in California, but fuck it lets just say 35K because you got some options and shit with it.

The difference between the two is 52K .
Let's ignore the cost of electricity for the Tesla and you get it for free 100% of the time.
The EPA's estimated annual cost of gas for the Accord is $750.

You would have to own that Tesla for your entire life before you break even

You should include the base model 3 in your calculations instead

>likes modern bmw
>femanon

confirmed for never worked on cars

>Comparing two cars in completely different price classes instead of the model that's actually supposed to be more budget friendly and will start at 35K
Delete your account

Not the guy, but electric engines are much more suited for cars than combustion engines. If both were invented today, there is no way anyone would even try to make the combustion engine suitable for car use. All the fucking stupid shit they have invented over the years just to make it work is ridicules.

The only thing that positive thing about the combustion engine is the much more energy dense fuel.

>cars aren't a significant source of CO2 compared to industries and aircraft.
The environment isn't only about global warming. Electric cars pollute the air with much less than combustion. And this has a much greater impact on you individually.

Maybe
electrek.co/2016/04/21/tesla-hacker-gentoo-model-s/

sauce for remote disabling of ludicrous more (or whatever it is that you claim they disabled) and fastcharging? I couldn't find anything.

Don't sperg out on me, I'm just asking, not a Tesla fanboy.

I agree completely

People don't understand that the biggest danger from cars is not global warming, but rather smog, CO, NOx, aromatics and particulate matter that gets concentrated in cities

>Tesla Model 3
>one look at the interior

360 and walk away.

Can I hook up a camper and go on a vacation with the car?
Electric cars are not up for this.
So basically I should either get two cars not go camping that way.

>being told to compare a car that is available for purchase to one that isn't right now

Do you shill for AMD products as well ?
>Just w-w-wait for the next model !

>Implying people who look at a Tesla Model S will consider a 30K hybrid and vice versa
You literally said it yourself
>Their buyers are not people who would have otherwise brought a prius, but these are people who would have bought a 7 series BMW.

we also have no idea the costs over a term longer than five years. if the cars are anything like the current trend of electronics, it will be obsolete and made unusable via software updates after five years

which was part of my point.

You don't buy a tesla to save money.
You don't buy a tesla to save the environment.


Right now as it stands, a fuel efficient hybrid saves more money and a fuel efficient ICE car is better for the environment

I drive an $8K Chevy Cruze 2012, I could drive decades on $100K worth of gas.

Electric cars won't take off until there's a healthy resale market.

>Let's see how long those incentives last after they start selling 100K cars/year.

This.

I got about 10k euro's in subsidies to buy a 29k euro electric car.
And that's not counting all the gas taxes (about €0.77 per liter) I won't be paying.

I love driving electric, but it's nowhere close to economically viable yet.

Year, the whole 1 centered monitor thing is a little strange but I'd deal with it just to know that I'm not tanking on shitskin oil anymore.

electrek.co/2017/05/07/tesla-limits-supercharging-speed-number-charges/

google.com/amp/s/electrek.co/2016/12/23/tesla-limiting-power-performance-launch-mode/amp/

>Electric cars won't take off until there's a healthy resale market.

Which is unlikely.

After about 7 years or so the battery will be fucked, and it will cost at least 8k to replace it.
Good luck getting 8k for a 7 year old electric car when newer models have much bigger range.....

What we really need is an open standard for batteries, so you can buy cheap 3rd party batteries or upgrade batteries in older cars.

$0.02 has been deposited in your account ,rajeem

And with an electric car you wouldn't have to spend anything on fuel

>So basically I should either get two cars not go camping that way.

Just rent a car when you go on holiday.

Richard Stallman should be triggered by this. The company you bought your car from can remotely disable it at their own whim.
We need an open source Tesla.

>Tesla remotely disables fast charging on your car if you use it too much.

Is this to protect the batteries or to save on electricity?

electric towing capacity will destroy ICE

we just need bigger batteries. if they built campers with batteries built in to supplement the car you would be good to go (sufficient brakes necessary too).

Also at most U.S. campsites you get 220V outlets provided FREE at your campsite so you can easily recharge overnight

>After about 7 years or so the battery will be fucked, and it will cost at least 8k to replace it.
>Good luck getting 8k for a 7 year old electric car
>What we really need is an open standard for batteries, so you can buy cheap 3rd party batteries or upgrade batteries in older cars.

>I don't know anything about modern battery technology

>spend anything on fuel
You guys keep uttering this lie constantly.


Are you going to hang out at starbucks every time you need to recharge your car ?
Also the new Model 3 only comes with a set amount of credits for free supercharging. about 1/10 of what you will use for the whole year

>
Battery concerns

>by then battery prices will probably have fallen to a third or less of what it is today

Unless they decide to make a nice profit.

AFAIK all batteries are locked down proprietary shit and incompatible from year to year.

So good luck #1 finding an old proprietary battery that hasn't been used in new cars for 10 years.
And #2 convincing the (((car manufacturer))) to sell you that battery with a small profit margin instead of a brand new car with a huge profit margin.

>I don't know anything about debating.

Supercharging is no longer free, fyi. You only get ~1k miles worth of free supercharging annually. After that it's going to be dependent on electricity prices in the given locale.

Also, he said:

>the pay back period for a tesla is in the decades

Yes spending nothing on gas is cheaper than spending a little bit on gas, but do you really spend tens of thousands of dollars on gas any given year? It'll take you a LONG time before operation costs of a premium-tier Tesla would become cheaper than a hybrid. Model 3 could bring that down, but you still have to pay for energy, it's not like you completely eliminate the operation costs.

If you're a poorfag you aren't going to buy an expensive car now because you'll (maybe, assuming energy costs don't change over the next decade) break even ten years from now. You'll buy a cheap used car that you can actually afford.

>not driving a Honda Accord
laughing_anime_girls.jpg

Where is your god now?

Good.

This will trigger the EV fags
youtube.com/watch?v=NJ3tEAT97B8

Nope, because I don't live in a third world country like the US and the station where I normally get gas has free EV charging

>electric towing capacity will destroy ICE

I don't even know of a single electric car model that offers a towing hook.

I would want one to tow a boat about 2km to the docks but no luck.

>After about 7 years or so the battery will be fucked, and it will cost at least 8k to replace it.

>what is the gigafactory
>what is panasonic

>What we really need is an open standard for batteries, so you can buy cheap 3rd party batteries or upgrade batteries in older cars.

>what is batteries being sold at-cost already
>what is being able to buy Tesla batteries in bulk
>what is finding one bad cell and replacing it

Bigger batteries also leads to less room for adding the structural modifications needed for it.
Can I hook it up legally?

your biggest problem will be the brakes and regen, which is why there aren't towing packages available

some company just announced their electric pickup (with range extender) it's aim at fleet usage though

I really want one but I'm from a third world country so whatever really.

I realize towing 200km isn't an option.

But this is literally 2km I'm talking about, just to get the boat into the water.
And no motorway.

I do realize lugging a towing hook around all year long is kinda stupid.
But so is buying a second car and paying road taxes just to pull a couple of km each year.

Tesla X has a hook option and can be retrofitted to a model S, too.

>what is a car rental

>if they built campers with batteries built in to supplement the car you would be good to go

For safety reasons the towing vehicle must be heavier than the towed vehicle.
So you would be very limited in the size of battery in the camper.

teslarati.com/how-to-install-tesla-model-x-hitch/

>For safety reasons the towing vehicle must be heavier than the towed vehicle.

bullshit

Batteries aren't CPUs, advancement of batteries is notoriously slow. Don't be so optimistic.

This thread is only for people with a driver's license, sorry.

if you had a driver's license, maybe you would have seen a fucking SEMI-TRUCK at some point

or do you think that the semi cab is somehow heavier than the 20 ton load?

It's already dropped 80% in just 6 years. Battery advancement has been slow because there hasn't been a whole lot of demand. EVs are changing that.

electrek.co/2017/01/30/electric-vehicle-battery-cost-dropped-80-6-years-227kwh-tesla-190kwh/

I like the one I posted more. Or this one

This is my pop's superduty

It can tow 21000 lbs conventionally

Do you honestly think that the truck weighs more than 21000 lbs?

Are you a fucking moron?

>can't turn off traction control and other nannies
>blueprinted engine just to raise repair costs
>not really that fast
Modern bmw a shit

>For safety reasons the towing vehicle must be heavier than the towed vehicle.

Why do people come on the internet and pretend they know facts?

T minus 2 minutes until user claims to have baited us

I like it (:

If fast charging stations were more abundant, I'd consider a Tesla. The cheaper models only get what, 200 miles? I do 100 in commute in one day. What if I'm going across state lines right after work?

Do they make portable battery chargers for a Tesla? I'd buy one if Anker made one

I can't wait for Teslas Model Y, an electric compact SUV is my dream car

It is to tell you that you need to go in and pay another 100k for another Tesla.

I am a poor Jewish millenial woman concerned for her safety and constantly in a hurry, would you recommend this car to me?

hello jee

i just started using sublime text after dumping Atom.

do i really need to buy a license or is this a winrar kind of deal?


also IDE thread, post preferences

>I do 100 in commute in one day

It's obviously not for you then.

I hate people that shit up EV threads with these ridiculous fucking usage scenarios that 99% of people don't have. "I sometimes drive on a whim to the top of mt. everest, WHEN will electric cars be able to do that?!!"

Who the fuck spends 4 hours a day commuting? Why the fuck is this even acceptable to them?

Nig nogs try and steal my "tablet" can't drive again...

That's a chicken-and-egg argument tho
"I'd use EVs if there were more charging stations"
"I'd build charging stations if more people drive EVs"

How far can you pull this thing on the X' full battery charge?

/o/ I need your guys opinion on this, basically I want a 5 series. Overall this is the price I can easily afford, but what about the maintenance of a 4 year vehicle with 30k miles already on it?

carmax.com/car/13873831

If you don't drive one of these you're not white.

>100 miles
>4 hours
Hour and a half my nibba

It's 2 hours not 4. And the car would serve me fine if all I were doing was going back and forth to work. Then again I. Could own a Tesla for commute and a fun car for anything else. Maybe a mustang GT 5.0?

>traffic doesn't exist


it's still fucking ridiculous

Not where I'm from friend

now I know you're trolling

the signature of an EV troll...change the discussion to american muscle cars

>commute 100 miles
>clearly not an urban center since apparently zero traffic
>user is going to convince us that he's the intelligent one

If this isn't an urban center with an inflated housing market there's zero fucking reasons to waste 1/6 of your waking hours sitting in a car

>25K
>poorfags

What does it mean when I only buy used cars within $1000 price range? Destitute?

>but what about the maintenance of a 4 year vehicle with 30k miles already on it
just regular maintenance? 30k miles isn't much

I have a 25 year old daily commuting car with 180k miles and I don't do any maintenance beyond fluids and brake pads

it's a non-intereference engine so I literally drive it until it breaks, swap all the belts, pumps, and seals for a couple hundred bucks and it's good to go for another 10 years.