Name ONE (1) legit technical reason why you aren't using systemd in 2017. I get it, it was buggy at the start (4 years back), but it's very mature and near perfect now.
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Orders of magnitude faster when it comes to booting. Sexy, concise service scripts that are short and to the point. A simple interface to most low level functions. Not a bunch of oh-when-is-this-going-to-break shell scripts.
James Sanders
it's a nefarious red hat project with the goal of making more people buy support from them :^) it's also faster than most other init systems and has a really simple service unit file syntax the only downside is the fact that it has binary logs and severe NIH syndrome
Isaiah Campbell
Because if i wanted Windows, i'd just use Windows and not Linux tweaked in a way to emulate Windows.
William Martin
because it's shit at what it's supposed to do and continues to do even more with barely any release notes
Charles Edwards
Binary logfiles instead of simple text for no reason. Unifying every system component instead of following UNIX philosophy of doing one thing and doing it well, instead we get do all the things and do them so so.
Benjamin Evans
It makes Linux to run nonsense 90 s shutdown loop.
Chase Jackson
>Orders of magnitude faster when it comes to booting. Bullshit
Jason Smith
only if you misconfigure your fstab
Kevin Morgan
Neither Torvalds nor Stallman care about the ""UNIX philosophy"". Why are you such a luddite?
Easton Taylor
Just SysRq+E if that happens.
Leo Davis
>UNIX philosophy this choise of words is really annoying >let me ftfy they intentionally Don't KIS
Isaac Martin
It doesn't matter if neither of those care about it. It makes more sense to have smaller components work together in the long run as it is easier to debug and upgrade. If your system works for you, that's fine. I was merely stating why I'm avoiding systemd.
Evan Hughes
>It makes more sense to have smaller components work together in the long run as it is easier to debug and upgrade. Any monolithic program can be built from small components. That is the whole selling point of object oriented programming. Has nothing to do with UNIX. Opinion discarded.
Connor Moore
> Sexy, concise ... short
You must be joking.
Brandon Reyes
prove him wrong
Henry White
Lies, lies, lies...
Christian Mitchell
>inventor of unix pipes literally defines this philosophy for further unix development >has somehow nothing to do with unix You sound like you know exactly what you're talking about.
But really, ever since I switched away from systemd (on systemd, enabling dhcpcd seems to extend boot times by 10 seconds or something stupid), dhcpcd hasn't let me down once.
What do you suggest as a replacement?
Jeremiah Perez
>NetworkManager sure is Ubuntu in here >What do you suggest as a replacement? systemd-network + systemd-resolved
Camden Ross
Fuck me, systemd-networkd sure can deal with wifi. (It can't can it? Or has systemd eaten wpa_supplicant too?)
Sure, I'll make the switch right now ensuring my internet never fucking works.
Absolutely fuck no.
I have enough problems on my server where systemd continuously fails to start opensmtp on boot because the network "isn't up" despite me following these braindead instructions 12 times now:
Because it is Red Hat's way of forcing the entire GNU/Linux ecosystem to rely on them and only them.
Camden Hall
killall -9 systemd
Leo Reyes
>operation not permitted
Landon Hernandez
>alternatives that require sysvinit or dont do the things as supossedly they do k.
Charles Hernandez
sudo !!
Leo Rodriguez
>systemd killed by satan quints
R E K T
Easton Walker
>I dont know how Windows works, but someone compared to systemd. It must be true.
Adam Long
The sole fact that Devuan was created to avoid it should be enough.
Matthew Gray
Is a single corporation's walled garden, no business would risk to use software that can scam you in the future.
Andrew Harris
AFAIK, it just ignore kill signals.
Landon Hill
Programs can't ignore SIGKILL. Read signal(7).
"The signals SIGKILL and SIGSTOP cannot be caught, blocked, or ignored."
Luis Gonzalez
I don't like the sound of it.
Ryan Brown
PID 1 is special and gets to ignore it.
Blake Gomez
>using an FSB bodned
Benjamin Flores
>i've never heard about containers >I've never read any technical paper on how to handle full boot processes >I've never tried clear linux/solus OS >i've never read any intel researchers papers nor I ahve access to researchers-only paper system The post.
>inb4 muh intel shill Clear linux may be the most advanced linux-based operating system in the world as its sole purpose is to demonstrate state-of-the-art researchs done at Intel linux R&D department.
Austin Miller
I'm not using systemd because openrc is the official gentoo init.
Kayden Morgan
When systemd's day comes that it needs a complete overhaul because it will turn to shit just like any software does over time, better alternatives won't be implementable because this diarrhea is too deeply ingrained and retards are too used to it; at which point Linux will, by any and all definitions, become equivalent to Windows. The one positive over Windows it has, choice and fast evolution/adaptability, will be gone.
And before you open you open your mouth, yes Linux as a kernel itself also has the symptoms. However one evil doesn't justify another, and Linux being diseased doesn't justify systemd becoming an additional plague.
Nathaniel Gutierrez
Binary logs.
Also systemd still has some disgusting, critical bugs that occur every now and then. A few months ago, it was possible to crash systemd with NOTIFY_SOCKET=/run/systemd/notify systemd-notify ""