All you need to know about systemd is that ironically systemd wouldn't be able to exist today if we had been using systemd's design philosophy on GNU/Linux from the beginning.
In other words, we'd be stuck with outdated technology and only able to replace it if we create another monolithic init system that interacted with everything in exactly the same way systemd does.
Systemd is basically exploiting the flexibility of its predecessors to kill the flexibility we have in the area of init systems. People might like it now, but we're walking into a walled garden. After systemd becomes the standard and everything depends on it systemd will never receive any competition because it would be an extremely monumental task to try and create a systemd alternative.
All the newbies here support systemd because it "just werks". But using things just because it works is a very Windows mentality. They're forgetting (because init systems isn't really on their radar in the first place) that the reasons we all use GNU/Linux in the first place is for flexibility, being able to do things _our_ way not the way someone getting paid to do their job decided we should do it, and design philosophies. Systemd is the exact opposite of all of that.
>WAAH SYSTERD IS TOO MAINSTREAM!!! >NOOBUNTU IS SO BLOATED
Noah Torres
i only use free software
Michael Davis
can you name a feature that you miss from previous init systems? and would it be impossible to implement such a feature in systemd through a fork/PR?
Tyler Bell
>i only use free software
>implying Hurd is not a GNU project
Robert Torres
> implying HURD is something that actually exists in a working form and isn't the biggest meme of all time.
GNU was a mistake.
Adrian Diaz
derailment argument.
why use those?
this is a poor argument - the argument is, why do I need systemd to begin with? What does it bring to the table that I couldn't live without?
I'm going to guess it's a bunch of stuff that, while important to you, has no meaning to me because I already have a system I like.
Hunter Young
Are you sad no body gives a shit about your blog?
Owen Brooks
Development stopped after Linux kicked in.
Dominic Taylor
Too bad that the only supported distro without systemd is literally Gentoo.
Henry Sanchez
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Gabriel Watson
BOTNET
Luke Russell
and Slackware
Dylan Reed
...
Jacob Baker
and AntiX, which is Debian based
Nathan Hall
It's good but it's tiresome to have packages without any information about dependencies.
Angel Myers
Devuan
Tyler Morgan
>the argument is, why do I need systemd to begin with? no it's not, you're literally lying OP said the problem with systemd is that it's prohibitively difficult to replace, that's the argument at hand
why on earth do you need **that** at full resolution. You are clearly the retard here
Samuel Baker
and void
Jack Myers
>devuan >supported
Asher Wilson
Salix
Ethan Lopez
Actually, I like it because it reminds me a lot of Solaris.
You know.
Actual UNIX.
Bentley Rogers
What I still can't stand about this is that Poettering didn't name his shit "initiald".
That would have been rad.
Dylan Diaz
Solaris fanboys do nothing but shit on systemd and how it's inferior to SMF.
Mason Reyes
>but we're walking into a walled garden Tell this to the idiots who keep saying "oh well if people are adopting it then it must be doing something right."
Ethan Cooper
It is inferior, yes. But it doesn't mean it's bad. It's just a lot closer to what we have.
Landon Lewis
>MICROSOFT word 2010 >Encryption
Mate I don't know much about OS', but I have studied the shit out of crypto and word's xor encryption is shit tier
Jason Phillips
> knows about crypto > doesn't know about jokes 10/10 life skills
Julian Carter
>we all use GNU/Linux in the first place is for flexibility, being able to do things _our_ way No, autists use Linux for this reason. Everyone else wants something that just works, is free and isn't Windows.
Jose Morgan
Why specifically do you care about "not windows" when it's not flexibility, freedom and all the other shit that comes with linux?
Why do people insist on coming from windows and trying to turn linux into some microsoft-free windows clone after people spent 20 years working hard on ensuring it doesn't turn into windows?
Jack Bell
he's not a gearhead he's not a weeaboo and he literally cannot take criticism AT ALL so it would actually piss me off more if he hijacked the name initald for his shitty project
Ayden Long
Void Linux
Caleb King
>not using OpenRC + sysv-init core
whats wrong with you fags
Isaiah Taylor
But I do lad.
Nathaniel Robinson
you keep pasting this and probably don't even read the thread of replies because you're a smelly hippie turd, you don't get to make these decisions for this reason
You could stop jerking off to "muh unix philosophy", that shit was written over 50 years ago when they were working with less than 1K of ram, just because it was first in no way means it is relevant anymore
All major non-hippieshit-turd distros use systemd now, it's over, you lost, go back to jerking off on IRC and pretending you're some kind of software political celebrity
Carson Bell
>having to boot 32 bit uefi on 64 bit chink tablet >grub shits itself >syslinux doesn't want to boot off either uefi version >systemd bootloader just works first time I've had something positive to say about systemd
Nathan Edwards
Yes, we need more modern software like Microsoft Windows(TM) 10. And state of the art application like Microsoft Visual Studio Code(TM) with revolutionary cursor-blinking technology that fully utilizes modern computers.
Ryder Adams
also.. just saying.. it makes viruses and things pretty easy since everything is the same and its all pretty standardized now.
Lincoln Gray
>Solaris fanboys do nothing but shit on systemd They sound like great people
Juan Rivera
Whatever faggot systemd tools are just superior.
Why the fuck would you use chroot when systemd-nspawn is available?
Angel Smith
The Linux ecosystem has become a graveyard of code. Things aren't audited, and inertia is the rule of the day until someone like RedHat comes alone and pushes something like systemd. Linux is a big sticky ball of shit and in a way I appreciate what systemd has dome simply because it's removed the reason for redundant and pointless distros/projects to exist. I do wish it were more modular and employed more privilege separation.
i had hope for devuan but i believe they dont have enough developing manpower
at this point id kind of prefer them to package up all their new tools and make a universal init system called devuan that can be used for debian or gentoo/arch
>a guy can wish
Zachary Morales
this.
if you don't like systemd but are too lazy to make/use an alternative, modify what exists to your liking. it isn't like it is proprietary software. you are free to do with it as you please.
