>First of all, it’s surprising that AMD isn’t comparing their Vega Frontier Edition to the Quadro P6000. The Quadro P6000 is essentially the same specifications as the Titan Xp but configured for the Professional market. The AMD Radeon Vega Frontier edition aims the same professional market but due to some reasons, AMD decided to pit it up against a NVIDIA enthusiast gaming solution. There’s a difference of drivers on both NVIDIA Quadro P6000 and Titan Xp cards. The Quadro series drivers are specifically designed to handle pro workloads which AMD has also optimized their drivers for the Frontier Edition card as it’s not a gaming focused product.
>If we take a look at some benchmarks posted by PCPerspective a while ago, the Quadro P5000 (a GTX 1080 equivalent card) manages to score 152.92 in Catia. Vega scores 135.75 in comparison which is near the P4000, that is a cut down GP104 SKU. In Solidworks test, the Quadro P5000 scores 168.11 versus 114.88 on Vega. The score is even lower than Quadro P2000 which is based on a cut down GP106 die.
>As you can see, the Quadro cards have the best optimization on pro workloads so AMD once again picked the best case scenario for them by comparing their best pro card to NVIDIA’s best non-quadro card
they were comparing the AMD Pro Duo which is the 28nm card, hawaii or some shit take a look at the specs.
Jordan Phillips
As much as it's funny seeing all the AMD fanboys fall flat on their face this is bad for us consumers.
We really need some actual competition in the high end segment
Brayden Rivera
Titan is also for the 'professional market' so vega FE could be in that price range
If not just b cause th RX vega doesn't beat the 1080ti doesn't mean it's DOA for the simple reason nvidia cards suck on ryzen and fuck Intel
Lucas Ortiz
What about the 4K 60 FPS gayman footage they showed off? Fake news? Settings were on low?
Charles Martin
>for the simple reason nvidia cards suck on ryzen and fuck Intel well memed
Colton Wright
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Nicholas Russell
even as a fan I can't help but think Vega is nowhere near expectations and AMD is clearly trying to soften the inevitable blow on its stock value.
this is what I predict they'll do next month.
>delay Vega until Raven Ridge is ready >announce both at the same time >focus on running comparisons against intel hd graphics as much as possible >laptops! affordable VR! HBM! >cherry pick dice/id soft games for GPU benchmarks, otherwise show as little as possible >sell discrete vega cards at tiny margins and with tiny stock levels, they do okay-ish against the 1070 and 1080 Ti but quickly get rekt by volta >funnel some of that ryzen income to RTG and hope they make something good next year
Jaxon Fisher
It's AMD fanboy's own fault for overhyping another product though.
AMD already released a video of the 'flagship' vega chip in DOOM showing around 1080 levels of performance.
Hudson Hill
it would be cool if AMD could simultaneously shit on two companies much larger than itself
but it looks like they'll only be beating Intel for the foreseeable future
Jonathan Perez
I just don't get it. the rx 480 was competetive vs the 1060. can't they just slap on more shaders or some shit?
Connor White
Doubtless they'll release a refresh of it that fares a bit better, but it won't be for awhile.
Cooper Butler
>open architecture and ecosystem In AMD jargon this reads "lol we won't provide software support" This is the reason why nvidia is ahead in the professional market.
Lincoln Phillips
>Titan is also for the 'professional market' NVIDIA doesn't seem to agree. They're advertising it for gaming and VR, you better go ahead and let them know they're wrong.
Chase Harris
Lol, they already did, the 580
Juan Ortiz
"poor Volta" came from AMD themselves. this is on their fault.
fanboys of any company are always going to behave in the same predictable way and shouldn't be given consideration.
because that doesn't solve their CU under-utilization issues.
Angel Gray
0/10
Nathaniel Howard
Agreed, the poor volta shit was their own doing.
It's funny though, many people on this forum will still think of AMD as the good guy company and Nvidia as the shill company while in reality they are both shill companies, Nvidia just has the better tech
Luke Johnson
isn't that like good for AMD?
so why is everyone crying, seems like AMD is winning badly here.
Connor Myers
I don't think you know what "shill" means.
also, actions speak louder than words. I'll take clumsy PR over gsync/gameworks/etc any day. if you can't see why AMD is considered the "ethical" company you are misinformed.
Matthew Phillips
I'm not misinformed at all, the general trend among posts on Sup Forums is that AMD is the 'underdog good guy company' while Nvidia is 'Le evil happy merchant'.
>I'll take clumsy PR Clumsy PR, oh they didn't mean it, it was just an accident? Stop being so naive
Angel Wright
Vega Frontier is the professional product and they're comparing it to a Titan, not the equivalent Quadro which scores 150 in Catia according to wccfetch. if this was RX Vega there would be no issue.
Daniel Murphy
AMDead did the SAME shit with Fury X vs 980 ti at the launch, they leak some stupid rigged bench then wait™ for the drivers for match with the non aib 980 ti
Nvidia are evils but AMD are evils and incompetent
Ian Cooper
According to this guy It's not intentional at all, they are just being clumsy, not a shill company at all
Robert Ward
Can someone explain to me where Vega is going to fall down? The benchmarks certainly suggest it will, but I don't know enough to understand why.
Leaks currently suggest that compared to the GTX 1080 ti it will have more cores, more clock speed, more TFLOPS, more memory bandwidth, more texture mapping units, only losing on render output processors and (possibly) VRAM quantity. Why is it going to be so slow?
Jonathan Walker
>Why is it going to be so slow? Different architecture
Brandon Young
DOOM benchmark was months ago. The benchmarks they showed yesterday put it in 1080ti/Titan X territory.
Eli Collins
hm right.
just one potential line of defense for AMD, don't most of those software benches support primarly cuda? 135-150 for the quadro seems good but if its under cuda then the real hardware adventage should be much smaller if any.
Julian Nelson
I literally wrote a long winded thread about how they're deliberately fucking with data presentation to fool investors, 10 minutes ago. I say it's "clumsy" because it's transparent as fuck.
you know that enthusiasts tend to be biased in favor of AMD and that's real cool, but you have zero clue as to why. just lurk more and spare yourself further embarrassment in the meantime.
Ethan Martin
>amd >pro
kek
Nolan Clark
surprise motherfucker
Kayden Turner
raja koduri stinks of smelly curry
Ethan Peterson
AMD always shows their best hand. always. if there's ANY opencl workload that puts them in a good light, they'll fucking demo it in front of an audience.
David Hall
Just clumsy PR man, AMD didn't mean it
Sebastian Peterson
Just Wait™ for Navi.
Easton Gray
sure, be retarded on purpose now, makes no difference
Nicholas Barnes
ok kid
Nicholas Gray
Ugh there is more then enough proof do some research nvidia cards don't scale for shit past 6 cores
Thomas Rodriguez
AYYMD IS FINISHED & BANKRUPT
AYYMDPOORFAGS CONFIRMED ON SUICIDE WATCH
Ryder Miller
I hope most amdtards kill themselves now and stop polluting the internet. Nobody would mind them if they weren't such obnoxious imbeciles.
Levi Phillips
POO IN LOO
Camden Peterson
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Gavin Price
can't be more obnoxious than these shitposts I always picture a toddler covered in fluorescent green shit going "le poo poo mommy" while typing their memes on alienware laptops
Robert Moore
>AMD's vice president is literally called Rajeet What a disgusting "company". Intel and Nvidia are for White People.
Gavin Nelson
>low-priced uh oh, it's polaris all over again.
Nathan Collins
Sup Forums is dumb for thinking Intel and Nvidia are the same company. Intel has been sitting on its ass for 6 years, while Nvidia has been aggressively pushing into deep learning market, it makes sense that AMD would never catch up to them out of no where.
Joseph Hill
Where are you quoting low-price from? The picture says lower-price
Juan Edwards
>more clockspeed
Vega can hit 2.1ghz? Source?
Matthew Murphy
are you saying Intel has been "sitting on its ass" solely because they haven't delivered anything worthwhile?
Jacob Cruz
They forgot to mentioned the quadros are like 5 times more expensive
How is a P5000 5x more expensive? Are you retarded or what?
Bentley Hall
You mean besides desktop tier processors in laptops with all day battery life?
Eli Foster
POO
Hudson Gomez
those ultra-low power modes are impressive but Intel's laptop chips are most assuredly not desktop tier
Cameron Harris
The P6000 is the titan XP equivalent and its 5K
Luke Harris
Sure they are, the E3 Xeon's and HQ series i7 processors are just as fast as desktop offerings.
Nathaniel Baker
>GP104 is beating the pants off a 500mm2 GPU with HBM2
RADEON PRO MOAR LIKE RADEON POO
Henry Anderson
Intel are in the same position amd were before core 2. They thought they can milk athlon 64 indefinitely and intel would just stay on netburst. The result was sandy bridge vs zambezi.
Jayden Rivera
Frontier is probably $799 for the water cooled 16GB card, $699 for the blower 16GB card, and $599 for the 8GB gaming focused card
Daniel Cooper
Lol. I haven't seen this much spin since Fox news tried to blame the leaker of the Trump classified information to the Russians leak.
Good job lads. You've cracked the case!
Jose Diaz
first of all >wccftech this shit should be banned at least archive it
but back on topic, what's the point of even including that? Is the 'frontier edition' going to compete in the same segment as titan xp? is this how they deal with HBM shortage or 16000 units or whatever it was? just give the card a 'cool' name and sell it for $1000?
Justin Moore
Not him but in the news they say it slower than Quadro P2000 and P4000
Michael Nguyen
That's because Vega 10 will have 1/16 DP floating point rate. Vega 20, the 7nm Vega, will have 1/2 rate. This has been known for like 2 months in advance
Ryan Powell
>This is what AYYMDPOORFAGS actually believe
Luke Roberts
How the fuck you came up with this?
Anthony Clark
At least, did you read the news before you cry?
Connor Watson
FP64 is not used in pro graphics, faggot
Jose Young
>meme meme meme poo poo ayy poo meme
Jackson Ross
Still don't have any response to this as to why that gameplay footage doesn't count and this compute benchmark shit does.
Charles Bennett
I'd imagine so, but the main draw is the 16GBs of VRAM for less than the titan XP costs with comparable performance
Nathan James
Stay mad, poor and subhuman, poojeet.
Asher Anderson
>Vega 20, the 7nm Vega doesn't yesterday's presentation basically prove this is fake? didn't they say vega is 14nm and 14nm+(whatever that means) in their roadmap and next year is navi on 7nm?
Blake Edwards
>the new Vega GPU is slower than Pascal P6000 and P5000 >WHO CARE HURR DURR FAKE NEWS MAGA
Charles Sanders
doom gameplay was with fiji drivers
they've probably made substantial gains on the driver side since
if they haven't then something's truly fucked
Connor Martinez
>WHO CARE HURR DURR FAKE NEWS MAGA at what point did I imply anything said there was wrong? I just said wccf is cancer shit and you're a faggot for giving them clicks
Xavier Russell
You know quadro results are known and you can compare them to the vega ones. Fucking retarded drone.
Carter Martinez
You're thinking of Zen on 14+ but Navi is 2019, Vega 20 is 2018.
Jonathan Adams
Because it's comparing two different segments.
Quaddro GP100 goes for $3000. Tesla cards go for $6000. The fact that AMD is right on their tails with a $1000 card, means AMD is finished! Some how.
The anti-AMD shilling is getting desperate.
Jaxson Reyes
this. wccftech was literally proven to go back in time and modify their old articles so they could claim their leaks/predictions are accurate.
it's a rag and you shouldn't link it even if it confirms your biases.
Adam Flores
pic related >vega >14nm >14nm+
Brandon Miller
>blame wccftech news This article was adequate with sources, numbers, citations and not rumour or 'leaks'
Eli Young
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Brody Bennett
A 6700k is much faster than a 6700hq
James Murphy
>Sup Forums comes back up >wccftech trash article get posted >immediate circlejerk with the usual retards jerking themselves raw with crying wojaks and poo spam
Just kill it again. Sup Forums doesn't deserve to live.
Justin Barnes
>The fact that AMD is right on their tails with a $1000 card Then why don't they compare it to quadro and spin it like the CF480 vs 1080 last year?
Everhthing was legit except for the conclusion. The entire fucking point of the article is a worthless conclusion that doesn't understand the professional market
Josiah Jenkins
>The entire fucking point of the article is a worthless conclusion that doesn't understand the professional market
Can you elaborate please?
Cooper Moore
Then it's probably Vega on Ryzen APUs
Nathan Harris
>You know quadro results are known and you can compare them to the vega ones what does this have to do with anything that I've said? learn to read you mongol see I'm saying wccf is shit not that vega is better than quadros or whatever you dumb nigger cock sucker
aren't the shit tier binned FE not just the consumer cards? i don't care for scientific stuff, but this really looks nice for me
Blake Lopez
>except people were already talking about it way before wccf
But everybody was surprised about the Titan X is the chart...WHAT THE HELL is that argument?????????
Christopher Clark
Because the professional market isn't as retarded as you gaymer kiddies.
They are already going to have a massive node of multiple GPUs. What the fuck would be the point of highlighting crossfire if they are planning on having 16 fucking cards to a node?
