Since mp3's are out of licensing and now a legacy codec, should the opus codec take over? A 128kb/s .opus song literally sounds exactly the same as a 320kb/s mp3. It also has the same frequency response in a spectrum analyzer.
It is open source and takes up less HD space/bandwidth. I see nothing wrong with adopting this format.
What do you think Sup Forums ?
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Yes. Opus is the best technically. Opus respects your freedoms. Opus already has very widespread support.
Use it.
still not lossless
enjoy dealing with rotational velocidensity
Being lossy is literally the entire point. If you need lossless, use FLAC.
How do we spread it among normies?
AAC already won a decade ago.
AAC is literally variable rate mp3's. Opus is superior in the frequency response/file size ratio.
>rotational velocidensity
Have fun when your music loses all quality after 2 years.
You're a retard. No one is suggesting using opus for archival purposes.
>won the "nobody uses it but apple" contest
>10-12kbps a year
>all quality
kys
I started re-transcoding my library today. Was using Ogg Vorbis before.
>doesn't know almost every mp4 video comes with an AAC audio track
>Lossy to lossy transcodes
You're fucking retarded.
>re-transcoding
It should but have fun reencoding old files from lossy to lossy.
>Lossy to possy
>Having a lossy library at all
Hey look, you wouldn't need to worry about stupid ass transcoding and library format changes if you just stuck with lossless to begin with.
Re-transcoding from my FLAC archives, geniuses.
>not having all of your music on disc
I can't believe people do this
Are you on a slot 1 Pentium 333? No? Then stop transcoding and just play the FLACs directly.
>128kb/s ops = 320kb/s mp3
lol no. Opus is good at lower bitrates. Notice how everything converges at 128kb/s
If you already have FLAC, why even bother transcoding?
This picture is a non sence. Thats not how lossy work
>depicting digital sampling with staircases
STOP THIS
REEEEEEEEEEEEE
No but portable music players do have limited space.
PORTABLE
MUSIC
PLAYER
The picture is an analog to digital sinewave, it has nothing to do with codecs
>No but portable music players do have limited space.
Oh, you're one of those idiots who have 60,000 songs and listen to 1% of them
>portable
>listening music outside your house
Opus at 107kbps is clearly better than AAC at 104kbps and MP3 at 136kbps.
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Even on a small 32GB device using FLAC level 0 non-compression at 25MB per song you can fit over 1300 songs.
You do not need more than that, in fact you've likely never even heard that many songs start to finish in your life, stop pretending.
What ever happened to .ogg?
>not listening to music constantly
You just went full damage control. I'm not even the other user.
"I'd rather put 30% of my music library on my portable player in flac format, rather than 90% of it in OPUS, so every once in a while I won't find a song I feel like listening, and for what reason/advantage? Well my friend, literally none." Autism.
You should really commit sudoku.
Opus and Ogg Vorbis share the same container and developed by the same people.
>in fact you've likely never even heard that many songs start to finish in your life, stop pretending
Not sure if underage, troll, or just mentally challenged.
And who encodes at 100kbps other than YIFY?
In addition to .ogg, Opus also has it's own .opus container as well it seems.
You mean it isn't already? It's the best codec for low bitrate shit, and it's arguably the best codec for high bitrate shit. It's also free software and open source. I've considered it dominant ever since it was released.
MP3 patents are expired now, but all new encodes should be done in Opus. IIRC the only thing holding Opus back was shitty MKV support; I dunno if that was ever resolved because anime has gone to shit in the past couple of years and I barely watch anything anymore.
The whole point is that you CAN encode at such low bitrates and not have it sound like garbage.
Streaming services would especially be interested in these sorts of low bitrates.
opusenc --bitrate 96(average 4.6 out of 5.0) was actually really good for those critical samples of that test. I say it must be decent enough setting for casual listening with no bit wasted.
.opus is still an OGG container. They just renamed the extension to signify that it's Opus in there, instead of Vorbis.
Oh, I see, interesting.
Is there a private torrent site specialized in OPUS releases?
>I dunno if that was ever resolved
Nope. I've run into timing issues with Opus in MKV.
>I have no idea what I'm talking about but I'll post anyways!
I want mozilla and skype to stop shilling on my board, please. fuck off with your opus shit already.
No. Download FLAC, if you need another codec, transcode it.
Figures. This shit always happens. You have the ideal format and no one bothers to make it work in the places it needs to work. I bet everyone still has to encode from a shitty CLI program too because no one bothered making a GUI for it yet.
MeGUI can encode Opus, as can Foobar.
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>normies
It already has apparently.
Uh, shouldn't the end of licensing be an ENCOURAGEMENT to use MP3? MP3 can now be implemented in a way that fully respects freedoms, so as a result you immediately want to abandon it?
MP3 is old garbage. Audio codecs have come a long way in last fucking 25 years.
>Not sure if underage, troll, or just mentally challenged.
Write the names of 1301 songs you know front to back.
You do not listen to thousands of songs, you're full of shit to the nth degree.
>shitty CLI program
It's honestly not even hard.
opusenc song.flac song.opus
Bam, now you have an ideal transcode that sounds just like the flac but is about 10% of the size.
>Those idiots who have half a billion songs on their devices
>Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip, Skip
>There's a song I like!
Assuming an album has 8-10 songs, that's only ~145 albums.
Assuming on average, an artist releases 3 albums (obviously many release a shitload more), that's ~50 artists.
That's not even that many. You could easily get that many from a couple of years of even casually collecting music.
Your mom knows of Opus now?
Correction, I should have said less than ten percent.
I think there's close to 500 in the Project DIVA series alone.
>doesn't know almost every mp4 video comes with an AAC audio track
Well, yeah... AAC is part of MPEG4.
Whereas every WebM comes with Vorbis or Opus....
>What ever happened to .ogg?
Ogg is a container. FLAC, Vorbis, and Opus are all from Xiph.Org and all use the .ogg container.
Ogg can house theora video as well but Xiph says that you should use ogv to reduce confusion.
Even if you're on windows, it's not that hard to make a batch script that lets you drag and drop flac files onto it that will convert the file to opus.
I've never liked AAC to be quite fair and honest with you senpai. Opus will be great to go with VP10 or whatever they're wanting to call it. I've stopped using lossy compression on my music a long time ago.
Who the fuck gives a shit about
The next open standard video codec is called AV1. I don't think VP10 will be released since AV1 incorporates parts of VP10 into itself and essentially supersedes it
>Also no audio data above 20Khz is useful at all for humans
That has to do with sampling rate, not bitrate, idiot.
Opus doesn't support higher than 20kHz.
I still imagine that it's going to paired with Opus.
Opus doesn't bother encoding it, since it's not audible.
Correct.
Unless opus becomes standard for video and playable on cheap smartvs and chromecast I don't give a fuck about it and will continue to use QAAC for compatibility.
just came in here to laugh at this post
sage
Those devices will be forced to support Opus because it's the audio format of Jewtube.
Would you be so kind and spoon-feed me?
Hearing the difference now isn't the reason to encode to FLAC. FLAC uses lossless compression, while MP3 is 'lossy'. What this means is that for each year the MP3 sits on your hard drive, it will lose roughly 12kbps, assuming you have SATA - it's about 15kbps on IDE, but only 7kbps on SCSI, due to rotational velocidensity. You don't want to know how much worse it is on CD-ROM or other optical media.
I started collecting MP3s in about 2001, and if I try to play any of the tracks I downloaded back then, even the stuff I grabbed at 320kbps, they just sound like crap. The bass is terrible, the midrange…well don’t get me started. Some of those albums have degraded down to 32 or even 16kbps. FLAC rips from the same period still sound great, even if they weren’t stored correctly, in a cool, dry place. Seriously, stick to FLAC, you may not be able to hear the difference now, but in a year or two, you’ll be glad you did.
Well I'm not, I store in FLAC and ogg format, ogg because of space and free. Is it the case for ogg too, rotational velocidensity?
Is it lossy or lossless? Well there you go
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Fucking retarded normies with their billion songs that they listen maximum 30 from is literally what happens. I observed normies, even with thousand songs they still listen to the core 30, and then additional 30 max depending on the mood. Everything else is just there because they heard it on youtube onces and liked it, even despite forgetting it after finishing download.
? How would you represent it then in a way that is intuitive and easy to understand?
I don't get how your quality would degrade over time if you use a lossy format. Is that a thing that happens over time?
>mp3's are out of licensing
wait
why is this a bad thing in the slightest
I have like over, hmm, 5000 songs which I listen on regular base, beacuse when I listen, I listen to albums, whole things. Like, half of it classical music, which is in flac, and half today music, pink floyd, autechre and so on, and they are mostly in flac too. My point is, why not try to have some more space free? When I'm buyong things from bandcamp, I'm downloading in ogg because muh space, hell, it's few gigs.
No shekel from goyim is a very bad thing.
bit rot is a real problem mate see
>mfw Apple Lossless still best
It's easier to show with a lossy image.
cmon dude...
Slower and less compresses than flac.
I wish LA would get picked back up just to see if you could get modern encoding/decoding speeds out of it
>refalac for decoding speed benchmarks
lol, could that be a more biased test?
What type of person even does that? wow...
It's digital. It's readable perfectly or you will notice huge difference or can't read the file at all. Just change 1 byte in a file and you will realise.
ALAC is still great for easily showing normies how good 24/48 can be but apple cant into free and open standards...
the release community has spoken and flac has won - i will easily put a 3rd party app (canopener) on my iphone so i can access unlimited lossless without transcodes...
.alac .ape .wv are still around but meh the point is in 2017 we should be all using either lossy .mp4 or 24 bit lossless - everthing else is just a waste of time and fidelity
I've yet to see a benchmark that shows ALAC to not be slower and also just worse in every way.
fucking porcoddio
let me guess..
the reference encoder and libs are written in Rust?