/pcbg/ - PC Building General

/pcbg/: Post your component list; rate other anons'; ask questions in general.

>Assemble your parts list with price comparisons & compatibility filter.
pcpartpicker.com/

THEN state the PURPOSE of your PC & BUDGET. State COUNTRY if not USA.
List GAMES/SOFTWARE you use often. List resolution & hz if gaming.
Seeking build improvements? Clarify goal: lower price or improved specs?
ctrl+f to see if your question was answered already

>How to assemble a PC, select components & more. (somewhat outdated)
wiki.installgentoo.com/index.php/Build_a_PC

CPUs:
>G4560 - budget builds (R5 1500x - generally all you need for 60fps with power to spare. No i5
>R5 1600 - best value for higher fps gaming & mixed usage; 1600x if you too lazy to OC
>i7-7700k - bad value but good for higher FPS; may have heat issues
>R7/Xeon - compute/Multitask/mixed use
>Threadripper/i9 soon

Graphics:
>G4560 iGPU is fine for desktop stuff and very light game
>1050/Ti for low budget. Drop settings if not Freesync/Gsync on newer games; RX560 if discounted
>RX570 4GB - 1080p@60+hz, running most maxed; older games at 144+hz
>RX580 8GB - 1440p@60+hz, inject SMAA & drop settings for some games
>1060 - Generally outperformed by the RX 580 and GSync costs more; consider only if AMD is not an option (ie CUDA)
>1070 - 1080p@90-144hz/1440p@100+hz
>1080 - 1080p@100-144+hz maxed; 1440p at lower hz.
>1080Ti - 1440p@90-144+hz; 4k@60hz in SOME games, more at lower settings
>Freesync2 & Vega soon

General:
>READ PRODUCT REVIEWS to see if that cheap SSD/PSU or whatever is reliable
>Consider larger SSD-only for what you budget SSD+HDD combined. Add HDD later once needed
>NVMe aren't for faster OS boot. They're primarily for productivity as a scratch disk
>Stop confusing any M.2 drive with NVMe. M.2 is a form factor
>Go mATX form factor for cheaper board+case
>1 SR DIMM is slower than 2 DIMMs
>Computex May 30th

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pcpartpicker.com/list/PrzfgL
pcpartpicker.com/list/mwGLXH
newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=Homepage_SS-_-P8_42-102-216-_-05302017&Index=8
kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/dominic-moass/sapphire-rx-570-pulse-itx-sff-gpu-review/14/
guru3d.com/articles_pages/zotac_geforce_gtx_1050_ti_mini_review,9.html.
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Wtf is that shit in the picture

An Intel-branded AIO watercooler that's been on the market for years now.

Some old AIO Intel cooler that Intel is recommending for i9 CPUs, most likely because they heat a lot.

On say a $1500 build, how much should I spend fractionally on the components?

That's the AIO that comes with Intel Skylake X processors. Intel knew they made a housefire, so they gave you a pump and water to put it out.

2007 imac finally died, i use it for torrent. What to buy next?

Yo I just got a notice about an rx580 being in stock and before I could even checkout they were sold out again.

2008 imac

That can only end one way.

You do know this is a thread for people who BUILD PC's, not people who buy pre-builts, right?

I know, show me a build.

well, what do you want? What do you need? Programs you use?
Do you want a Hackintosh? Or do you not want to be that restricted?
Any games you plan to play? Video edition? Music production? Do you want a plashy case? LEDs? A window to see the internals? Or do you want the boxiest non-descript box to ever box? And size constraints that would mean a mATX or mITX build? Do you need wifi connectivity or do you plan to plug in an Ethernet cable? What monitor are you using (resolution and refresh rated plz)?

And finally, budget. These are all factors t take into consideration.

>Video edition
*Video Editing.

It's for torrenting and shitposting. Not my only computer, it would be nice if it can transcode to h265.

No budget constrain or os preference. Should i get used x6 phenom or build a ryzen 1600?

>it would be nice if it can transcode to h265.
I know absolutely nothing about this and had to google it.
I THINK this build could handle it, but I can't be certain whether or not it will or whether or not it's overkill.
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. It's late here and I really don't feel like doing research.
pcpartpicker.com/list/8swctJ

Perfect, Thanks. I was thinking a b350 would be ok.

EVGA CLC looks like the best AIO around now

That also doesn't include an OS. But I;m sure you can pick up Windows 10 or Linux for it somewhere.

Ok, also my friend offer his 780ti for $135. Is rx570 still better?

You're a moron. A Ryzen 5 1400 could handle HEVC transcoding. Hell, a Celeron G3930 could handle it too, and even a Celeron J3355. You got him a six-core shitposting and pirating machine that only needs 4 threads at most.

R8 my build: pcpartpicker.com/list/bDDq2R

First desktop, hence keyboard/mouse/speakers. Using this for some moderate gaming and also tensorflow side projects. A big priority is that its fans are quiet and it stays cool. I have a 120GB SSD to cannibalize and put the OS on.

I'm willing do drop a couple hundred more dollars on this build, so what should I improve? Another SSD? A GTX 1070?

This is a pro-AMD thread
We don't appreciate your kind around here
Best if you leave and don't come back

rude

my dreams: crushed

I've used intel my whole life and am afraid of change. Educate me. Also I need cuda for research :)

techfrag.com/2016/03/11/nvidias-cuda-language-can-now-run-on-amd-intel-gpus/

The only thing you need is the noose

1600X will get you around 75% more performance in multithread.

How do I attach CPU cooler backplate? Am I supposed to flip the motherboard upside down?

So, real question here. I recently bough an i5 7600k, around when ryzen7 launched, because I didn't have enough money to grab the ryzen lineup plus 16GB of ram, and my processor on my older build (FX 6300) was dying.

I haven't had any stutter to speak of in my games, and most of the games run super smoothly. If I'm at 1080p and plan to be for a while, are i5's still shit? I keep hearing that they are and I'm not sure.

I need a computer for Pro Tools on 2 displays with one audio card and a midi controller. Possibly 2 microphones, and a microphone preamp. maybe want to play games on this mother

Very little reason to go with an i5 these days, I'd recommend something like this instead: pcpartpicker.com/list/PrzfgL

It should last you 3+ years. It's not as good in multithreaded programs as Ryzen is but it should be enough to run anything 1080@60 fps in next few years.

That's one way, yes.
Your case might have a hole in the back of it to access that area though.

They're not shit there's just not much reason to get one now that the 1600 is a thing.

pcpartpicker.com/list/mwGLXH
How does this look like? That MSI 1070 Armor is the only one I'm able to get so I'm not changing that.

Cool. Next I'll probably upgrade my GPU since its a 290 and it can't max some newer games like Wildlands, but at least I'm set for a while. Also might pick up a 4TB HDD since those are dropping and pretty cheap nowadays

Alright, thanks for bringing that to my attention.

Looks pretty solid.

What do you think should I spend extra money improving?

Between a Gigabyte AB350 Gaming 3 and a MSI B350 Mortar, who can drive a Fidelio X2 better? Also can they both support 3200Mhz Trident Z RAM?

>350 watt UPS
>350 watt

Don't know why I didn't see this as a problem.

510 Watts max. Plan on using 1600x, 580, and 4x8b 2666 stix (eventually).

newegg.com/Special/ShellShocker.aspx?cm_sp=Homepage_SS-_-P8_42-102-216-_-05302017&Index=8

Forgot to include link, this a good replacement for my currently shit UPS? Live in the mountains and forest with plenty of bad weather/outages so do have to use a UPS.

Wrong thread.

You linked a phone, not a UPS idiot.

It actually was the UPS, it changed at midnight, which fucked me over. Ah well.

I bought a b150 motherboard, and a 7700k. What's the easiest way to get the bios updated so that I can use my machine?

Ask someone to do it for you.

i'm getting a b350 mortar and r5 1600 next week

i've never updated bios i've heard that can brick your pc if you don't know what you're doing

can anyone give me a quick rundown on flashing bios?

I'm planning on building a mini-ITX PC for long distance travel and light gaming when visiting family.
>Pentium G4560
>8gb ram 2400mhz
>Some mini ITX mobo with wifi
>gtx 1050ti or Radeon equivalent
>Fractal Node 202 with PSU included
>120ssd and an old 2.5in 500 gb hdd from my unused collection

Yay or nay?

What's your PSU? I'd personally get RX 570 4GB since it's more powerful than 1050Ti. Its power consumption is higher though.

The PSU comes with the Fractal Node 202 Case
>Includes a Fractal Design Integra SFX 450W power supply with specialized cables for the Node 202 case

>i bought a 1,6k$ PC
>all i play is assetto corsa with a shity dirving force gt

I should have bought a fanatec wheel and a cheap pc

It theoretically should be enough for 570 since Sapphire Pulse ITX 570 4GB requires at least 450W power supply but it would run hotter than 1050Ti.

>run hotter
That's going to be a problem since I was planning to take it to Mexico (far south near Guatemala) and it gets really hot and sometimes humid, but I'm not sure if that would effect the PC.

Just follow instructions and don't yank the power cord out and you'll be fine.

You could ask if a small computer store or repair shop can do it for you while you wait, it shoudn't cost too much. Otherwise you'll have to borrow a cpu from a friend or buy a cheap throwaway celeron/pentium to do it.

thread ripper can have up to 256 or 128 GB or ram?

I'd then get 1050Ti since RX 570 really runs hotter at least according to those reviews kitguru.net/components/graphic-cards/dominic-moass/sapphire-rx-570-pulse-itx-sff-gpu-review/14/ and guru3d.com/articles_pages/zotac_geforce_gtx_1050_ti_mini_review,9.html.
74°C vs 49°C
However I don't know if they tested it in ITX case or not so final temperatures might be higher.

Boiz, boiz, rate me build mates. It'll be for indie/AAA games plus content creation in programs like Blender and Unity.
au.pcpartpicker.com/list/brDZ3F

I'm doing this exact same build. Still dunno if I should go for the rx 570 instead of the much cheaper 1050ti...

128 with 16GB dimms

>indie games
you need at least i7 to run those

Unity is what throws a spanner in the works.
Everything else you'd best of with a 1600X
Given the weight of X to Y, you're still going to want a 1600X.

Whoops, you are in Ausland, didnt see that.

>1600X
Can you recommend anything specific?

Yeah mate, I'm shelling out kangabucks down here.

its 16 channels though, not 8 so i assumed 16^2 would be the answer

threadripper has quad channel RAM
naples has 8 channel on one socket, 16 on 2

get an amd cpu and a 1080ti since this is a ved build

16 on the dual cpu boards? right,

>Can you recommend anything specific?
Not that user but I got a MSI B350 Mortar with a Ryzen 1600, but Ryzen gets better the faster your ram is, which you should be able to overclock.

The Mobo and CPU I got are alright.

so basically even though intel is more expsnive for the cpu, the cost is side loaded into the motherboard and ram instead?

When will ATX PSUs die?
They still seem to be the standard despite SFX-L delivering 700w+ fine, which is twice as much as 99% of users need.
They are so big and bulky and unnecessary. Most else has gotten smaller, and while SFX exists it's not been adopted well at all.

also
>35dBA @ 2,200 RPM
my fucking ass

Having a UPS battery backup helps, just in case.
You click the button to update and LEAVE IT ALONE DON'T DO ANYTHING and hope your power doesn't go out by the time it finishes.

>When will ATX PSUs die?
Why don't you like T H I C C PSUs user?

yes, lets make smaller psus and cap them around 600W for compliance... no one benefits here

i7-6800k are $475 AUD ($350) right now. Does that make them worth it over amd?

another day another wait for the rx 570 to be in stock

This is not the first time I've been told this. But you Sup Forums faggots with your Intel vs AMD war have me not knowing whom is Jewing whom.

Almost no one needs over 700W for a desktop. 1800X + 1080Ti, the two highest performance normal desktop parts you can put together, only uses about 350 watt on normal load, and 450watt at absolutely peak.

1600W PSUs are for 4 GPU HEDT render farms.

Pretty much pcpartpicker.com/list/8swctJ
But with a 1600X. They're the better option for non overclockers, and overclockers that don't want to play silicon lotto.
You can cheap out further on the SSD. I recommend Kingston U400's. They're cheep in Aus.
I have two in RAID 0 (not recommended unless you make everything raw binary as you're limited by unpacking via the CPU)

You did right with the MSI gaming X
Nocutra is overpriced as fuck. Any other cooler in that tier is preferred. Often $40USD saving for 2-3C warmer, and 5-10 db of noise. which is still very quiet, because of 1600 running cooler, ramp up in fan speed is no where near as often.
I've got an AIO. Corsair h100i v2 that is very quiet, only noisy under real load. and that's with a FX8350.

You're going to want higher frequency RAM, but shouldn't be an issue with the savings.
Check Ebay for a cheaper case. And you should be able to get a cheaper monitor, keep an eye out for sales in local catalogs.

>But you Sup Forums faggots with your Intel vs AMD war have me not knowing whom is Jewing whom.
who is jewing who
look at benchmarks, its so obvious for the price what you want

you actually need overhead but you are correct. The reason no one wins is then you have to develope for two standards with cases so youd need a modular design there. I agree with you though and have raised this point in the past. platinum slim psus that perform at 600w cant come soon enough. Its only cooling that becomes the issue if you were to go fanless.

hi /pcbg/

I'm looking to build a powerfull pc, the most powerfull one possible but i'm kind of having trouble to decide on the CPU i should go for.

I want this pc to have both the most powerful cpu and gpu i can afford/handle without too much hassle.

I play games but i also do a lot of 3d modelling work and while some of the programs are cpu heavy others require a powerfull gpu.

I'd prefer to go with an intel chip since i've always used intel chips and they've always given me good service - i trust them.

but i also don't want a chip that is too hard to cool. even though i've had machines that had were 'overclockable' I've never really understood overclocking nor have i any interest in overclocking, i'm happy to run components at their native speed (in my [ignorant ?] mind overclocking equates to reducing the longevity of pc components)

I'd also prefer a chip that didn't wasn't too hard to keep cool eg need fancy water cooling tech and so forth, but rather could be easily cooled using a simple heat sync and fan or perhaps one of those large heat syncs only.

so ive been looking at the i7 7700k and the i7 6850 K but they both seem to be hard to keep cool

so given the above what do you guys reccomend ?

is the 6850 K really worth all the extra cash ?
if you recommend the 7700 k what kind of cooling should i look at ?
any other options you'd recommend ?

i actually wrote a reply before reaslising this is bait

i'm serious dude. why would you think it's bait ?

I was waiting for someone to reply to you because you sound similar to me. We are bait brothers together, such big plebs that people think we're up to chicanery.

well i actually did control c it. Youre wording about trusting intel makes no sense at all, its a company thats fucked users over in the past so i dont see why youd trust them at all, and amd for that matter have been amazing and shitty in the past. Neither is to be trusted, buy the better product, not the brand. Theyre both x86_64

your spacing is really shit and makes your post even harder to read, especially since its not actually an essay. Wait for naples if you waant the best, thread ripper if you want the "best". 6850 is old news. 1800x gets 6850 performance in certain cases like compilaton.

while it may be true that intel have fucked people over, i am unaware of any such deviance by them.

i can only speak for my own experience with intel and i've always had a good experience with them while there were always rumours flying around about how AMDs were lacking in some way or another for as long as i can remember.

anyway, it's a moot point reallly. I'm sure there are perfectly valid arguments both for and against AMD. I, however have my mind set on getting an Intel chip so no further argument is necessary.

The last CPU that intel made which was worth getting is maybe the.. 4790k, 5775C, or 5820k.
Since those, they've just forced garbage down people's throats.
They fired their QA teams.
They fired their engineers.
Many other engineers that weren't fired quit.
Their CPUs from the last 3 years are just rehashes of their last good CPUs for way higher prices than they should have been sold to, and more difficulty to keep cool since they use that shitty TIM.

Just buy Ryzen. It fits your needs and it'd be stupid to get anything else. Even though it'd be nice if single core performance was 10-20% better, it's on a platform that's being supported for 4+ years so you can upgrade the CPU without needing a new motherboard.

If you really don't want Ryzen, well shit, no one can really help you can they? Because you're asking people to recommend you something inferior which they don't want to recommend.
The i7-7700 non-k tends to be better on thermals, so there's that I guess. But it's going to be half as good as a 1700 for 3d modeling and has higher thermals still despite half the cores.

maybe google it then. Rumours? as in shills? sure amd hasnt been the leader since 2004 but thats changing with ryzen and youd be a fool to remain loyal to any brand as you are. its not a moot point really, really a moot point has no difference on the outcome, intel vs amd has a big difference on the outcome

Yo, how does this ausfag build r8? I wanna play games, do some 3D modelling/level design and download/watch shit... and maybe a little fapping.

>Inb4 ditch the i7 or that monitor

au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jjGPWX

Hi /pcbg/
I'm going to buy a gtx1060/3gb, because I'm on the tight budget and I basically want a reliable rock solid stuff without bells and RGB LEDs. Which one should I buy?

> I, however have my mind set on getting an Intel chip so no further argument is necessary.

great, buy a 6950x and fuck off.

so you guys basically really love Ryzen ?

For a $2200+ build, there's a lot better you could do. If you want to render shit, a 1700 is honestly way better. Even a 1600 would match a 7700k in multi threaded tasks.

Also that monitor is retarded. Just get a 1440p 144hz for the same price.

>au.pcpartpicker.com/list/jjGPWX
>fapping
>3d modeling
>development
why would you not get a 1600 or 1700?
You can have twice as much porn playing simultaneously as on a 7700k. It's just plain better for non-gayming and still good for gayming.

another thing

two GPUs in SLI is still a meme, right ?

the performance boost isn't worth the extra money right ?

i'm thinking just a single 1080 should do it ?

>I'm going to buy a gtx1060/3gb,
Nope, we'd barely recommend a 6gb 1060. The 3gb card is not the same thing as the 6gb version. It performs so poorly that it shouldn't exist as there's the 1050ti to pick up the pieces.
The 3gb of RAM is also a big problem. Many games want 4gb no if's or butt's.
Get the 1050 ti if you see yourself upgrading in a year. Or a RX470 if you want it to last.

MSI OC cards are fine.
As for RBG ect. Very few cards have that. And if it does but is a good price, suck it up princess.

sli is a meme unless you're rendering things and in that case you should get quad sli titan Z's instead of gaymen cards

I love CPU that's not a stutterfest, that's cheaper and better, and cooler, yeah.
With Ryzen you can use 100% of CPU on all threads yet your IRC and browser and other shit doesn't lag. You can still use photoshop while rendering or compiling something. For some reason on Intel CPUs, something using all the resources makes other applications suffer. It's probably due to its slower SMT context switching. I like that I don't have to disable Steam updating while I'm playing because that makes games lag like shit when it's using all your threads when you only have 4-8 threads, but when you have many threads to spare it has no noticeable impact, so I don't have to disable Steam updating games while I'm playing one. I like how it's cool as fuck. Stays under 40C during normal use. Still under 50C at 100% load on all 12 threads. Some people's 7700ks fucking IDLE at over 50C. I live in a warm climate and don't need a space heater beside me.
I think you have to be retarded to get an Intel CPU. Any of them. They're just plain worse. Except the G4560 for mom, that's a good little CPU.

2nded monitor.
Why would you rob yourself of 360 vertical lines?

Ehh CF and SLI are both pretty decent now. CF generally a bit better. You can see 190% scaling in some cases. I'd still not recommend them though as sometimes it's only like 125%.
You'd be better off waiting for Vega2 or Volta, and selling the 1080 to get a better single card then.
Why do you feel your performance is lacking with a GTX 1080, anyway? If you're on 4K, you're going to see worse SLI scaling because the VRAM isn't shared. My 7970 still does 1080p well.

RX580s and RX570s are generally not in stock. Ethereum miners bought them all up and probably have bots to buy them the moment they get in stock again.
So a 1060 6GB is worth getting if ~

Yes, yes and yes.

that makes sense i guess. not sure i can afford quad titan z's though.

>live in Latvia
>rx 470,480,570,580 are sold out or starting with 220 euros price for gimped one fan models with 4 gb
>gtx 1060 is even pricier even for 3 gb
>gtx 1050 ti and rx 560 are sold starting at 130 euros
It's like they want me to go for low end or be a true forum and pay 300 youroshekels for 580 or 1060.