Debian thread

Why is Debian the best GNU/Linux distro out there?

>apt
>stable
>just werks

will debian continue to support i386 or have there been talks about dropping it

I think it will keep supporting it.
Debian's not your edgy hip Arch distro trying to ditch old hardware.

You forgot
>supports everything
and
>pretty light

ubuntu is ditching it too

Because we, Debian users, do actual work, not rice i3 configurations for 12 hours, spending all day emerging shit on their poor old thinkpads.

ubuntu can suck my swirly cock

in ubuntu by default apt installs "recommended" pkgs along the actual dependencies for a pkg, is this the case in debian as well

no shit, ubuntu is based on debian

Why are you so angry?

your point is?

ubuntu has no reason to ditch i386, they do it because its the new hip thing to do apparently

>tfw run debian + i3
W-what am I?

why does ubuntu feel the need to ditch i386? is it because arch did it?

if debian ditches i386, ubuntu does too

you're someone who likes i3

ask the faggot on their mailing list

ubuntu is ditching it regardless of debian

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>>apt
Why are you putting a disadvantage with stable and werks?

Name a better package manager for GNU/Linux. I'll wait.

>old =/= stable

>a disadvantage

Oh no, he's retarded.

use sid. still stable af

go back emerging upstream buggy packages

how often does testing update

>hurrdurr im on my period

I haven't updated since friday so you get updates pretty often

>hurrdurr i have no life so i spend my time watching gcc output all day

>yay i have all this time to get tampons

It sure is summer

>ran out of gas
:(

bump

It's fine user (I do that too), as long as you haven't riced it beyond belief

even yum is better than apt
emerge
pacman
nix
The list goes on

it's apt. So looks like OP is indeed retarded

>yum
yum is literal shit compared to dnf
>emerge
found the retard
>pacman
enjoy fixing Xorg
>nix
haha
>the list goes on
it does not.

>enjoy fixing Xorg
nigga we wayland whatch you talkin' bout

No, the only package manager comparable to apt is pkg from FreeBSD.
Period.
The fucking list does not go on.
And you're really comparing apt and emerge?
My sides.

Nearly. Go Devuan, senpai.

Devuan is a joke.
I get it that systemd is bloated garbage, but I won't use Jessie-era packages just to be systemd-free.
At that point I'd just use a *BSD.
Or cope with systemd (which is not as bad as people make it out to be).

>>yum
>yum is literal shit compared to dnf
And still better than apt. That was the point
>>emerge
>found the retard
Did gentoo hurt you?
>>pacman
>enjoy fixing Xorg
apt actually broke my xorg more than pacman, not sure where that meme is from. Probably old as fuck versions that didn't do .pacnew/.pacold
>>nix
>haha
The usability of nix as a distro is questionable, but their package manager is objectivly better.
>>the list goes on
>it does not.
It does. Mixing apt/apt-get mess/dpkg in one distro just makes for the worst system ever invented.
Well maybe windows is worse.

>No, the only package manager comparable to apt is pkg from FreeBSD.
Why didn't they improve it then?

Name 1 thing apt can do better than other systems

>And still better than apt.
no
>Did gentoo hurt you?
yes
>apt actually broke my xorg more than pacman
bullshit
>Mixing apt/apt-get mess/dpkg in one distro just makes for the worst system ever invented.
except that it doesnt, as it is one of the most stable package management systems out there

Removing packages, dist-upgrade, config management.
Do i have to go on?

>And still better than apt. That was the point
not any better, it's shittier, also your point was to name any other package manager than apt, not a better one.
>Did gentoo hurt you?
if by hurt you mean stare at gcc output for hours like i have no life, then yes.
>apt actually broke my xorg more than pacman, not sure where that meme is from. Probably old as fuck versions that didn't do .pacnew/.pacold
when, but at least apt isn't suicidal and doesn't stop working when i do an update.
>The usability of nix as a distro is questionable, but their package manager is objectivly better.
not really.
>It does. Mixing apt/apt-get mess/dpkg in one distro just makes for the worst system ever invented.
it doesn't, only a child will get confused by them.

>most stable package management systems
It's the only package management system I ever got break so hard it didn't want to fix itself without the root-fs going haywire.
But maybe I just triggered some weird ass edgecase. Every fucking time I had to use it.

it's not Debian's fault if you can't into computer, user.

>Removing packages
Which totally none of the others can do

>dist-upgrade
A problem introduced by the release system of debian, not required for most.
From what sysadmins told me, it's about as much work as pulling up a new system either way, since duh, any breaking change is still a breaking change
> config management
That's in apt? Then what does dpkg do again?

>>Removing packages
>Which totally none of the others can do
None of the others can do as nicely and cleanly.
>A problem introduced by the release system of debian, not required for most.
>From what sysadmins told me, it's about as much work as pulling up a new system either way, since duh, any breaking change is still a breaking change
No, it's one of the most simple, stable, and straight-forward ways to update a system. The other distros are unstable and rolling, hence the lack of a dist-upgrade-like feature.
>Then what does dpkg do again?
Yes, it's in dpkg, when I refer to APT I sometimes include dpkg into the mix to, since the systems are related.

To build a custom desktop configuration is a one-time investment, I just keep my configuration files and after every installation I run a script which install them along with the other software I use.

"Oh I don't like it now"
"I need some variety in my life"
"Man I wish this was a bit better"
"Yep, too old, time to write a new one."

>None of the others can do as nicely and cleanly
you clearly haven't tried.
> No, it's one of the most simple, stable, and straight-forward ways to update a system.
It's the most backwards system to update a system actually.
It has some nice properties while a system is running though

So which of the apts do you mean?
apt, apt-get/apt-cache? Mind you, one has a problem with the dependency algorithm that *can* actually deadlock

Cool for server, shit for desktop.
Which is why Ubuntu was made, which still sucks as you will be reinstalling every LTS and fucking up by installing 1001 PPAs.

Arch has no installer because devs don't give a fuck.
Not sure about Antergos and Manjaro.

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed comes close, if only their repos were bigger and the whole proprietary codec thing was a bit easier

It depends. I use the same configuration for a more than a year with minor changes mostly caused by different versions of software packages in Gentoo and Debian.

Listen, I've been using Debian for 5+ years uninterrupted. I've installed Debian many times, I've used it for long periods of time in which I've installed, removed, upgraded and purged packages.
I use Debian on producion systems and servers.
APT and dpkg never failed me once, and the system is sound.
If your Arch, Gentoo, or whatever alternatives are so good, and beat APT in every way, then why is it that Debian is used in actual production environments, and on actual servers, and your OSs are only used by people who don't do anything but browse Sup Forums and brag about how superior their OS of choice is without substantial proof to support their claim?
Give me evidence for APT being such a shitty system and I will consider it. But so far you've only been venting.

>shit for desktop
Except that it's not, sid works fantastically stable on the desktop, with reasonable versions of packages, without the mainstream bullshit you get in pacman, breaking everything.
>Arch has no installer because devs don't give a fuck.
The devs clearly give a fuck to fight against normal people installing the system, they try to make it as hard as possible and they try to make the guide as small as they can go, so you just can't even install the system without being lost in 15 wiki articles.
>Not sure about Antergos and Manjaro.
If you like stability, not the distro.
>OpenSUSE Tumbleweed comes close
If only zypper wasn't a steaming pile of shit

Because debian has an actual security and stability policy
doesn't change the fact that apt is shit.
Moving goalposts much?

> Split over at least 4 executables
> Actually has a chance to mess up package database
> dpkg and apt can disagree on what's actually installed
> slow as balls

Apt takes fucking forever to upgrade packages. There have been times I compiled a package faster than apt was able to upgrade it. Also
>enjoy fixing xorg
Ancient forced meme.

>Apt takes fucking forever to upgrade packages
Not my fault your internet is shit.
>>enjoy fixing xorg
>Ancient forced meme.
Except that every Arch installation I had ever, pacman broke Xorg, python configurations and itself.

At least apt doesn't force you to update every fucking thing if you just want to install one small package like yum does.

I'm starting to think that you do not understand what dpkg is.

Things do get very old on Debian, which is frustrating.
It's the mainstream stuff I need to get things working, latest AMDGPU, MESA, X, steam.


How is zypper shit?
So far I've only managed to fuck up OpenSUSE by not setting snapshot limits and installing a bajillion unofficial repos.

USE SID

Sid has more recent packages than most of the distros you faggots use.

so you're saying i can carefree use testing?

Things are even older on CentOS, but I never hear anyone complain about oldness on CentOS.

>Things do get very old on Debian, which is frustrating.
Never had any problems in sid, sid pushes updates a lot.
>How is zypper shit?
Huge fucking mess if you use it for a while.

Yes, I have not had a single stability issue with sid.

That's because no one uses CentOS

>shitty package management (apt)
>old as shit software (stable)
>basically fucking shit (systemd)

>new debian distro just released
>old software

fuck debian

yea but lesbian shit over cdrtools
well done

The release is meant for servers, if you want newer packages you should use sid/unstable.

>fuck debian
Spotted the Arch/Gentoo user with no life.

>>basically fucking shit (systemd)
So basically every current distro out there, hah.

im not using it but i was checking it out and from the little time i invested i got that you can leave testing in /etc/ instead of the release name which would keep you always on the testing branch regardless of version which kinda makes it like a rolling release i guess

I don't understand you.

well... google it

you mean /etc/apt/sources.list

it is a rolling (and the best imo) release

>>shitty package management (apt)
Name a better one, not what others named because they tried and completely failed.
>>old as shit software (stable)
For the last time for you fucking dumbasses, USE SID!
>>basically fucking shit (systemd)
Name a better init system for power users. Yeah, you can't.
>>old software
Yet it works on environments that need as much stability as possible, no one but Sup Forums complains.

>internet is shit
Except it isn't. 50mbps is not bad.
>broke my configs
When was this? Back before they implemented .pacnew and back your configs?
pacman -Su
Someone's never READ THE FUCKING WIKI OR MAN PAGES

Daily reminder that not because Poettering made something it means it's garbage.
systemd is not that bad,
pulseaudio is better than any alternative.

it's his attitude

>Needing additional flags to stop your package manager from doing unnecessary things
What a plebian

which one?

sid

>Yet it works on environments that need as much stability as possible

who has the time to obsess about server stability?

on my laptop I want C++17 compilers and interpreters out of the box

there's enough installs to deal with as it is

>used Debian stable
>complained about old packages
>didn't change sources.list in 2 minutes to fix the issue
>compiled Gentoo instead

tfw

>who has the time to obsess about server stability?
t.neckbeard who spends all day fixing broken shit instead of doing actual work

>apt-get install build-essential

Wow user, it's so difficult to install a build environment on Debian, you should use Arch instead.

testing?

sounds like fun, m8

> Please note that security updates for "unstable" distribution are not managed by the security team. Hence, "unstable" does not get security updates in a timely manner. For more information please see the Security Team's FAQ.

> "sid" is subject to massive changes and in-place library updates. This can result in a very "unstable" system which contains packages that cannot be installed due to missing libraries, dependencies that cannot be fulfilled etc. Use it at your own risk!

you get pretty much the same packages in Ubuntus and Fedoras when they're new, which are stable distros

I agree, there's no time to obsess over stability because the time is all spent on fixing stuff that broke.

>>Name a better one, not what others named because they tried and completely failed.
>apk
>brew (yes it's better even if its in a meme lang)
>nix
(inb4 my bloated package meme does so much shit they're not comparable)
>>use sid
then you basically discard the stable meme
>better init system
openrc. fucking anything. even launchd would be better

>>apt-get install build-essential
won't help if the g++ is old

>you get pretty much the same packages in Ubuntus and Fedoras when they're new, which are stable distros
Yeah, they just call it unstable because of mainstream programmers pushing half-baked code. Again, I have not had a single stability issue with sid.

No, at Debian they are transparent about it.
At Ubuntu and Fedora they hide facts under the carpet.

It ends up with sid being 100x more stable than "stable" Ubuntu and Fedora.

>what is sid?

>apk
nope
>brew
nope
>nix
nope
>then you basically discard the stable meme
nope
>openrc. fucking anything. even launchd would be better
nope, nope and nope
try again next time.

once again, sid you faggot

> debian is based off of ubuntu
> who even uses linux
> can i play fallout 4 on linux? i think not
> linux is for hackers im not a hacker
> ubuntu is better

>Again, I have not had a single stability issue with sid.
its maintainers explicitly say that they allow broken dependencies on it

maybe you haven't had issues because you don't install a lot of shit

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why sid and not testing