Ryzen Discussion Thread

Ryzen has been out for a while now and it seems that Intel can't compete in terms of price/performance.

Tell me why I shouldn't fall for the Ryzen meme?

I'm considering upgrading my i5 2500k to a Ryzen 7 1700 with DDR4 3200mhz memory.

Thoughts?

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community.amd.com/thread/215773
phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ryzen-Compiler-Issues
reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6f08mb/compiling_with_ryzen_cpus_on_linux_causing_random/
reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6crru5/linux_instability_on_ryzen_7/
hardforum.com/threads/some-ryzen-linux-users-are-facing-issues-with-heavy-compilation-loads.1936605/
reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6crru5/linux_instability_on_ryzen_7/dhwz8pn/
youtube.com/watch?v=JypkqwpOtNI
youtu.be/vZgpHTaQ10k?t=3m56s
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I got an 1600 and it's better than i expected.

I was originally considering the 1600, but I might as well shell out for an 8core/16thread for what I'm doing.

Since working in the software industry I've noticed programming compile times and IDE responsiveness is very considerable even for a decent intel i7 system. I think the 8core/16threads are really going to help with this.

Also, I'm fairly certain I'm getting CPU bottle necked when I have full quality streams open on twitch while playing games. Chrome uses like 20% of my i5 2500k while watching on source quality.

Should be a solid upgrade. The 1700 is still on sale I think.

Use edge™

>Chrome uses like 20% of my i5 2500k while watching on source quality.
Try using streamlink-twitch-gui and VLC. I find it uses less resources.

If you run VMs Intel performance is still better, Ryzen is a bit unstable at the moment with a lot of VM software, although it's improved a lot from launch.

What are you running? I'm looking at swapping my mobile, CPU and RAM and moving to ryzen. The plan is fedora with pci passthru

Upgrade 4690 to 1600x im surprise on how cool the temperature are.

Should I buy the 6 core 1600 or 8 core 1700?
(I primarily play gaymen)
>Plan to upgrade CPU in 3-4 years at end of AM4 socket lifespan.
So basically; will 6 cores keep me in gaymens for 3-4 years?

that is a stupid way to start a post.

>i want a car
>thoughts?

>i need a degree
>thoughts?

>i am hungry
>thoughts?

some effort required or stick to sqt containment.

I think you should consider a tampon.

I upgraded from the i5 2500k @4.5ghz to a R5 1600 @ 3.8ghz, the 2500k also struggled for me with high quality streams in the background.

get a B350 mobo, ~3000MHz memory and a 1700

try to get a 3.8~4.0 OC

you will have the best consumer chip since, well, the 2500k

Yes. You can upgrade to Zen 2 also.

Can you stop shilling and pajeet

gaymens dont into multicores

>Ryzen Discussion Thread
Can you learn to read you stupid dumbfuck? It's no surprise i5-2500K struggles to multitask well compared to a 6 core 12 thread CPU.

1600 for now, Zen2 later. Get more cores if you need it or if some new games suddenly decide to have competent dev teams.

I'm thinking about B350 mobo.

This is probably retarded thinking, considering I've never had two graphics cards at once.

But what B350 mobo is capable of crossfire?

I'm looking in the $100-200 range.

Basically I need lots of Sata3's, at least 1 PCIE 1x slot, up to 3200Mhz memory, and ideally crossfire because I'm autistic and like options.

TLDR: What is the best mobo for $100-200?

There's something seriously fucked with your PC. Chrome's using just 4% while streaming source on my 2500k.

pcgamer.com/beware-of-fake-ryzen-processors-selling-on-amazon/
>In both cases, the customer ordered a new Ryzen 7 1700 processor. What they each received looked like a legitimate Ryzen chip at a glance, that is until a closer examination. After unboxing the processor, it quickly became clear these CPUs were not manufactured by AMD, but were in fact Intel Celeron processors.

Sandy bridge is still better stop shilling

...

>much worse multithread performance
>worse IPC
>slightly higher clocks
>"better"

t. anonymous independent CPU consumer

A HA HA HA

>I'm thinking about B350 mobo.
>wants to crossfire

T. AMD shill

B350 supports Crossfire, but not SLI.

This is true. It's good to note that the second card has to route through the mobo chipset and doesn't link directly to the CPU though. I don't know what the performance hit of that will be though.

I forgot to add that X370 has both slots connected directly to the CPU without routing through the mobo chipset.

>why I shouldn't fall for the Ryzen meme?

Well, first of all, there's still a problem with some motherboards and some RAM sticks. Mine didn't even boot without a BIOS update.

Secondly, it still segfaults when you load all cores and threads 100%, see

forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1061546-postdays-0-postorder-asc-start-200.html?sid=5d80245099ab76e3e113fdfadff2015d

This is something at affects a whole range of motherboards and CPUs. Put more than 100% on all available threads and you will get problems with gcc, ffmpeg and a few other things (not that many things will put this much load on your system).

inb4 fags claim I'm just shilling: fuck you, see picture related. Go find the root cause instead. I'm all for getting a motherboard BIOS update or a linux kernel update or something that actually fixes this.

I would definitively not put a Ryzen CPU on co-located servers or anything like that.

>This is probably retarded thinking

I'm really considering any good mobo in the price range of $100-200 which is actually what I meant.

B350's seem to be in that range. I'm not sure if there is even one that crossfires properly in this range though.

Sandy Bridge is worse than Ryzen in every way except maximum clockspeed.. Ryzen has the same IPC as Haswell/Broadwell so clock for clock it's better than SB, and destroys it in multithreading.

Does this happen on Windows?

>year of our lord
>using loonix

You should absolutely fall for the Ryzen meme

I've been rendering with ffmpeg in windows for months with no issues. Also compiling stuff through VS but obviously not gcc so it's not relevant.

Here's proof, you have to overclock Sandy Bridge to 4.7 GHz to just barely beat Ryzen at 4.0GHz. And these are release Ryzen figures, gaming performance has slightly improved since then so I wouldn't be surprised if it was impossible for a 2600K to outperform Ryzen without a custom loop.

I'm making a shitty game in clion which is compiled by mingw(which is gcc port on windows) and i had 0 issues.

It's still barely an upgrade for single thread performance.

I got an x370 board for 170/180ish which can do crossfire.

The whole point of b350 mobos is that you can't crossfire/sli, that's what the x370 boards are for

B350 can theoretically do Crossfire it's just the scaling won't be good since you're only using 4 lanes and the PCi-e lanes are coming from the chipset, not the CPU. SLI requires a minimum of 8 lanes from the CPU so it's impossible to do on B350.

>mfw waiting on threadraper for my new workstation
I hope someone makes a board with decent ECC support tho

Looks like it supports even RDIMMs.

>Ryzen for software development

you're gonna have a bad time

community.amd.com/thread/215773
phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Ryzen-Compiler-Issues
reddit.com/r/programming/comments/6f08mb/compiling_with_ryzen_cpus_on_linux_causing_random/
reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6crru5/linux_instability_on_ryzen_7/
hardforum.com/threads/some-ryzen-linux-users-are-facing-issues-with-heavy-compilation-loads.1936605/

>threadraper

That's Zen2, user

reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/6crru5/linux_instability_on_ryzen_7/dhwz8pn/

Contrary to what Sup Forums might believe. Not all developers use Lincucks.

The only concern I have with Ryzen is running a virtual machine of linux in Windows 10.

I know Ryzen has some issues with linux, but do they still apply in a virtual machine?

>mfw gentoo

Nah anything Intel is a stutterfest.

Where are all the Intel shitposters from 1+ years ago?

GTA5 is a shitty bench for AMD desu. but my 1800x works fucking wonders. there is something about that cpu that makes the whole system feel snappier. no idea how to explain or maeasure it. but it just feels better than my old 4670k running @ 4.6ghz.

Consumed by fire

I don't have Windows.

I've used GNU/Linux since I switched back when Windows 95 was popular. I've heard it's improved since then but I've also heard it's become a botnet. I don't really care, though, I have something that works fine for me.

pls delid dis

People only ever post that one Metro LL benchmark, and it's only the i5's that are broken on that game, i7's have great minimums. Look at GTA V, the minimums scale with averages perfectly.

I'm very happy with my 1600X and the 3000 RAM I bought is running at 2933 right now.

I'm still rocking an FX-6300 @ 4 GHz
Not sure if an upgrade is in order desu

Wendell says otherwise.

Shitty rushed platform with tons of issues and 0 OC potential. Better keep that 2500k of yours and wait till Ryzen 2 comes out. If what AMD promises is true and their 2nd gen of Zen will OC to 5Ghz then Intel is finished. I actually bought a 1700 with DDR 3200mhz and had to return it under the 14 days without asking policy because my fucking RAM wouldn't OC higher than 2666Mhz.

Preach brother
>be me Ryzen 1600x fanboy
>cream in my pants when I hear the news Ryzen as risen
>Build a beast of a rig, albeit getting rammed in the ass by MINERS
GPU setup will improve
>First install WINGAYS 10 and OC the cpu
>Running stably at 4.025Ghz with my Noctua AM4 NH-D15S
>check the RAM speed
>1200Mhz
>Remind you I got a 3200Hhz setup here
>Go into BIOS
>X-AMP Profile 2
>16-18-18-18-36 timings known to work from forums on Tom's Hardware
>boot up windows task manager says the RAM is 3200Mhz
>CPU-Z and Speccy says it's 1200Mhz
> What in the flying F U C K is going on
>Check the CPU speed.
>Tops out at 3.7Ghz
> allmyrage.jpg

Ryzen is a meme. It's cheap and fast but it's a bitch to set up right.

fuck this I'm never buying AYYYMD. Piece of shit made in China. INTEL MAKES US CHIPS ONLY. THE BEST!

>there is something about that cpu that makes the whole system feel snappier
Maybe it's the fact the CPU isn't running at 90%+ under load on all cores? Perhaps you didn't realize that being on a 4-corelet = CPU bottlenecking?
youtube.com/watch?v=JypkqwpOtNI

>period blood SJW OS

If your son has requested a new "processor" from a company called "AMD", this is genuine cause for alarm. AMD is a third-world based company who make inferior, "knock-off" copies of American processor chips. They use child labor extensively in their third world sweatshops, and they deliberately disable the security features that American processor makers, such as Intel, use to prevent hacking. AMD chips are never sold in stores, and you will most likely be told that you have to order them from internet sites. Do not buy this chip! This is one request that you must refuse your son, if you are to have any hope of raising him well.

Your overclock didn't take hold. Save the profile in BIOS you cuck.

>I know Ryzen has some issues with linux
>issues

>Wendell
He's basicallly an AdoredTV-tier shill at this point, refusing to even cover Intel or Nvidia unless it's negative. Which is bizarre given how much Intel's contributed to the Linux kernel in the past, I'm not even sure why he hates them besides the fact that their CPU's are overpriced. Will Ryzen have better frametimes than an i5? Yes, but the whole "stutter" phenomenon was blown out of proportion. People are acting like i5's are unplayable now when they were perfectly fine before March.

how much will a 1700 price drop if i wait one year?

>61424870
I bet you wanted this (You) so badly

He did a ton of intel coverage when kaby lake came out.

>Linux 4.9
That might be your problem retard. Why would you combine brand new hardware with an ancient kernel?

>when they were perfectly fine before March
That's because there was no superior alternative so you were simply used to shitty stutters.

It's weird because I can't change the CPU clock speed in the BIOS. The setting won't let me change it.

I can OC it using the Ryzen Master thing, but then I can't get the right RAM timing with that.

So I understand why it won't work because I'm relying on two methods for OC my equipment.

You're a fucking faggot if you think AYYYMD actually have good CPUs.

I fell for the meme and got ass raped hard...

Never again, back to Intel with me

Probably because he is a hardcore naive libertarian that thinks the less popular companies actually care about their costumers out of choice. He is literally Sup Forums's definition of /ourguy/ who sacrifices convenience and stability for the sake of moral groundings.

I was having this problem with WINGAYS. This is the most recent stable update of Debian. What should I do with the kernel?

This is a more detailed problem

You should be good to go if you have acccess to 4.11 kernel or newer. Any specific issues you're worried about?

If you're too retarded to figure out something simple like an OC then kys

I get the same issues with my 2500k. Noticeable stutter in newer games like Overwatch when I have a twitch stream open as well. It doesn't even have to be a 1080p stream.

Wow, look at these minimums, completely unplayable right?

thanks for the help user

I have another work rig that OCs to 4.1Ghz and it's an intel chip from 2013, 6 cores, 12 threads.

I forget the name but it's a i7 series chip and was $550 back then. It's cool because of a liquid cooler. I think it's rated at 3.2Ghz originally. So I know how to OC. It's not babby's first time you know

>one game
Try 5 games.

Did you really think you could cherrypick these w/o getting BTFO?

Games like these will only increase in number. Buying a 4c/4t in 2017 makes no sense.

Read
Metro Last light is the only game I've seen where an i5 performs significantly worse than an i7. Consequently, it's the only one people ever post, and you accuse me of cherry picking? Even the Warhammer one post update the i5 does bretty good.

Ryzen is not Intel and you can't OC the same way. Since it combines the MC into the SoC it has more memory training duty and you'll have to watch the load line voltage of the SoC and CPU and RAM to keep things stable. There are also many memory timings you can tweak to affect stability.

youtu.be/vZgpHTaQ10k?t=3m56s

That's a video from an AMD engineer talking about RAM OC'ing Ryzen.

Ryzen does alright by me. I suspect my chip can do 3.9ghz with some extensive hand tuning (hell with the 1403 bios I think I could push at least 3466mhz out of the ram) but 4ghz simply will not happen even on suicide voltages.

MSI B350 Tomahawk is great bang for the buck but you HAVE TO upgrade the BIOS to 1.6 for it to be stable

>Utilisation
have you already applied for your porn ID britcuck?

He will come around.

Doesn't 1700 has 3.7 turbo out of the box? 100mhz is alright?

XFR applies to 1 core not all of them simultaneously

The 1700 only has a single core turbo of 3.7ghz - i'm running an all core overclock.

Know any solid ram?

Seems that some combinations can be finicky. But I know I want 3200MHz.

>2017
>No integrated GPU

>DDR4 3200mhz memory

Be VERY careful about compatibility.

Otherwise yeah Ryzen is badass, I love my 1800X.

Make sure that memory is verified if you want to run it at XMP. Otherwise you will have to manually set it, and your speed might be lower that you want.

It doesn't matter that much does it?

I mean, I assume that even if I buy 3200MHz RAM, I can still down clock it to what ever is supported by the motherboard.

the cpu was running 65c tops. and i dont play games except sc2. but the system use just in windows feels faster and smoother.

no regrats for switching to AYMD