>Be 55
>Opposed to UBI because "People will become dependent on the gubbermint!"
>Working the same job since he left high school
>Thinks young people just need to show initiative to get a good job and house.
What do we do with these trolls come automation day?
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Gas chambers, I suppose.
Things will sort themselves out.
Look for signs of edge in the field.
Edge intensifies.
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>why wont the government give me free money so i dont need to work and i can play minecraft all day
Enjoy your capitalism post automation, shill.
>tfw I have a job I love and I would work there for free if I didn't have to worry about food and shelter
I don't even understand the "the only thing keeping everyone from being NEETs is the constant threat of homelessness and starvation" argument. Universal basic income is a requirement for ethical employment.
>>Working the same job since he left high school
This is much more of a societal issue than is currently recognized. This is not the general nature of humans or a good model for civilization. And if anyone tells you that's "how it always was" they are wrong. Doing the same thing every single day of the year is a 20th century anomaly.
Do they illegals get UBI too, knowing you lefty Cucks, you would give it to them too
Yeah imagine being so blind that you can't see the benefits a post scarcity society would enjoy.
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I'm not illiterate I swear
I come from an island nation so I can't answer that for you. By the way right wing economists have supported UBI or similar modified schemes too.
All immigration should be legal. If too many Mexicans are coming over the border, maybe we should stop making Mexico such a shithole.
Good luck convincing conservatives that treating people like shit doesn't automatically grant you a place in heaven. It seems obvious that the opposite is true but their policies beg to differ.
Ah yes, just what we need, more fedora tippers to tell Christians the meaning of their religion. I bet you have some hot bible quotes you drop on facebook to btfo those "stupid flyover proles that don't like gays and unlimited immigration"
go back to your containment site
>Implying that I'm not Christian
Baptised as Catholic soon after birth m8
Baptised as Catholic or practicing? We have more lapsed Catholics here than you can shake a stick at.
Not practising but I understand the Christian perspective relatively well.
No, we shall invent pushing and shoving robots to push and shove people down the stairs
>What do we do with these trolls come automation day?
Nothing. Ironically, I bet that most, if not virtually all of the people who are against UBI will eventually find themselves dependent on it.
in the future everyone will shill each other for soros bucks.
sacrifice to the bots so we may remain in their favor.
UBI is a feel good meme for Bougie tecnocrats. The only people who take it seriously are small souled bugmen and redditors, but I repeat myself.
That would basically be income?
Tell that to the cunts running tests on UBI. By all accounts it seems to work better than the majority of benefit systems.
>implying everyone that thinks UBI could be viable is part off the leftist boogyman
>running small localised tests means it will work on an entire country!
The benefits are moral hazards to Puritans, whose moral outlook is feels-driven and sadomasochistic.
UBI is the terrible secret of space.
It makes so much more sense now.
>implying that any action that doesn't solve all problems isn't worth doing
>success in every small pilot scheme is evidence of it not being worthwhile to persue in larger schemes
You realise Stallman would probably support UBI right?
The people who caused the automation will be killed too, especially since they aren't he most physically gifted people.
What the fuck are you on about schizo?
UBI will never be implemented. The cost of things will just move asymptotically closer to zero. But human desires will always be infinite, and resources will always be finite.
We're not talking about the United States of retards. Move along child.
Ok. Let's propose that one decides to not include a superpower in that arrangement. What happens when people start breeding like rabbits? What happens when refugees/lazy people come in nearly unlimited numbers to get a piece of that action? You'll use robots to stop them? Because then you'll just get people using EMPs to keep doing whatever they want.
>What happens when people start breeding like rabbits
They don't, if you still have a functional educational system and you don't pay them extra to reproduce.
>What happens when refugees/lazy people come in nearly unlimited numbers to get a piece of that action
Physical removal.
You're talking about this like it's done on a global scale. I think you've misunderstood UBI.
>They don't, if you still have a functional educational system and you don't pay them extra to reproduce.
"Sex feels better without a condom, and if we have kids, the government will just provide for them!"
>Physical removal.
How?
>You're talking about this like it's done on a global scale. I think you've misunderstood UBI.
If you have something people want, they are going to try and take it. And when an EMP can kill the entirety of your labor and/or military force, you're in trouble.
are you suggesting that UBI for adults would revoke all parental responsibility for children?
Spoken like a true ameritard. Going to be good when Russia and China fuck you in the arse and you cunts stop acting so self important.
Don't take the b8 m8.
>They don't
thanks to the power of baby killing
It would eliminate all financial responsibility, yes.
He is baiting but people actually think this.
current welfare state rewards having more kids UBI literally gives kids nothing
No. Unless their country of origin offers the same level of UBI.
Stop feeding the trolls.
>"Sex feels better without a condom, and if we have kids, the government will just provide for them!"
Not how it works. Having children is a major responsibility, and in educated nations they are aware of that. No idiot is going to churn out 6 kids just to be on the government dime, except gypsies and white trash.
>gypsies and white trash.
ie uneducated people.
>ie uneducated people.
It has been proven time and time again that educating women brings the birth-rate down considerably. Never mind the men; educate the women.
I was agreeing with you
>"Sex feels better without a condom, and if we have kids, the government will just provide for them!"
>Unironically thinking people think like that.
Wew lad
What is actually going through their minds after kid#2?
Probably trying to fuck away the hunger and boredom. Being poor sucks and you do anything to take your mind off it. Unfortunately poor people tend to be the least well equipped when it comes to sex ed and the means to buy "luxury" items like contraceptives.
I'm so ready for a UBI.
I'm 26 and i'm already fucking tired of working for a system that enslaves us financially.
People will argue that a UBI is enslavement of itself... but I wouldn't be forced into a place I don't want to be just to work for some money like a starving rat in a complex maze system.
I honestly think Hillary Clinton was almost pure evil, but I feel like with her the idea of a UBI would of became a real thing by 2020.
Well the choice is either
>Be enslaved by a government that you vote for
>be enslaved by a corporation that you have no stake in or has no responsibility to you at all and sees you as a disposable serf
>I honestly think Hillary Clinton was almost pure evil, but I feel like with her the idea of a UBI would of became a real thing by 2020.
Why do you Americans think your right-wing neo-liberal candidates are even vaguely interested in pushing for progressively policy? That cunt is perfectly happy with the status quo and would have tried to maintain it not disrupt it. The sooner you cunts get rid of gerrymandering and FPTP the better.
What I love about all these rich socialist jews who love UBI is that they have no plan to make it work yet still keep promoting it. Everyone apparently should be forced to give up their wealth except for theirs of course.
>progressively policy
I meant progressive policy.
I am OP and there is less than 10,000 Jews in my country so I have no idea what you're going on about. Probably best that you take you (((antisemitism))) back to anyway
>It's just a coincidence goyim that UBI is being shilled hard by the elites
Only in your shitty country
With her, war with russia would have become a thing by 2020. And technically the conscription would have given everyone an income but that isn't quite what UBI is about.
>There is literally nothing wrong with elitist jews promoting UBI
You've been trained well, very good goyim.
I'll repeat it again cause you're fucking thick. THERE ARE NO JEWS IN MY COUNTRY.
You just said there were less than 10,000
You realize that they'll probably start exterminating the NEETs, like most of Sup Forums, before nationalized UBI is a thing.
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Truly a great threat.
Maybe in shitholes like the US but not in my country.
Globalists and mega elites are among the many who promote universal.basic income. If they want it, it can't be good. It's something of complete fantasy right now because nobody has a plan that can work.
And what country do you live in?
Nice try zuckerburg. Take your data mining back to Facebook.
>I live in a great nation that would have ubi perfectly work and not fall to degeneracy, but I'm not telling you what it is.
I did not say UBI would work currently. ATM my country has turned into a tax haven. It would take a change of government and the undoing of decades of neo-liberal policy.
>Globalists and mega elites are among the many
Just in: globalists and elites and people to and have personal opinions!
*are people too
Fucking phone posting
Unironically being this paranoid.
Whose going to be able to afford housing if robots cause mass unemployment? The cost didn't seem to drop much even after the 2008 subprime mortgage crisis.
kys nigger
you make mexico less of a shithole by not encouraging their top 10% to come here
also a great idea
population numbers aren't important
how much wealth do they control?
Capitalism doesn't exist post-scarcity.
What's UBI?
when i google search for it i gets confusing results.
Universal Basic Income
oh wow, that's fucking stupid
>initiate ubi
>government must print money in order to pay it
>dollar value depreciates until ubi is worthless, jobs begin to pay way more to compensate
>neets are still broke
you're fucking stupid.
more like
>people choose careers they're actually good/happy doing
>people at risk of suffering abuse from abusive peers/family now have the funds and means to escape their hell
>people can choose to become educated in their passion rather than worrying about where their next meal will come from
>people end up with a huge surplus of cash
>people end up happy as fuck
>happy people spend their money more
>economy flourishes
bullshit globalists are the ones fighting against it tooth and nail, because their mob run welfare state will get the axe. no more mooching niggers popping out 20 babies just for bigger welfare cheques their whole lives, now you get a gov cheque as well as them (provided they're citizens of course)
>no plan
there's plenty of plans, abolish the welfare/social assistance programs almost entirely (leave addiction centres, hospitals, disability intact)
then let the government go a bit in debt as the transition takes place, remove some military spending as a peaceful nation doesn't need to spend billions of dollars on fucking over whoever the u.s demands. let those greedy cocksuckers fight their own fake wars on their own. motherfucking sons of bitches should be sued to bankruptcy for bringing nato into never ending wars under the guise of false flag attacks.
got a little side tracked there
but the extra spending power and the effect of having a healthy people with tonnes of spending power will only be a good thing.
>decent thread is sage bombed
this is a very real issue, yet mods here would rather have pajeet shill threads and faggot circle jerking rather than an actual discussion, neat.
>yet mods here would rather have pajeet shill threads and faggot circle jerking rather than an actual discussion, neat.
Not every board needs to be Sup Forums.
this isn't a pol thread
this is about technological advances and how to deal with the fallout from such advances, in this peticular case not a very good fallout.
>They don't, if you still have a functional educational system and you don't pay them extra to reproduce.
Why would they studying they have guaranteed income? Many people across the world are okay with good enough and they'll raise a dozen kids who think the same
>pro-tpp
>she'll implement UBI!
What
>clickbait
why do faggots do this?
aint nobody gon click your bait links, aint nobody gon believe your bullshit blog fallacies neither
so it's okay to become nearly $20 in debt over several never ending wars (drugs, terrorism)
but feeding and sheltering your citizens is too much?
>robots build houses
when will they do this on other planets preceeding our arrival?
cough cough nasa pls listen
>mandatory K-12 just magically disappears
>because basic income guarantee
Sup Forums seems more suited for your understanding of cause and effect, and your inability to see the world as it is rather than as the collection of your own priors.
Pic related, to save google the trouble of serving up this shite:
>On the margin, someone will stop working.
Yet, somehow, when UBI happens, people tend to work a few more hours on average because UBI enables them to do so, for example, by providing them with a car instead of depending on others for a ride, or providing them the ability to hire a babysitter instead of leaving work early. The rest of the muh blog post can be dismissed as the usual right-wing argumentation to cherry-pick the higher-order effects, let alone the facts.
Yes. How will there be the drama of muh competition unless society is graded on a curve and some people are tortured pour encourager les autres?
americans hate the poor, even if they themselves are poor. they often delude themselves into thinking they are "middle class" because they can actually afford to eat two meals a day and maybe have an iphone (on credit, of course)
