Crystal Lang > Ruby > Python
Why choose the inferior Ruby and Python when you have Crystal.
It's Basically Ruby on sterioids.
Crystal Lang > Ruby > Python
Robert Fisher
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Blake Rogers
>Why choose the inferior Ruby and Python when you have Crystal.
Because they are actually finished unlike Crystal.
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Carter Walker
>finish unlike cystal
Are you sure about that?
Jonathan Walker
because I'd rather import solution and get on with my life than rewrite extant libraries in the meme language du jour
Jayden Lopez
>jerking off to typos
Thomas Cruz
because no tutorials
because no libs
because no frameworks
because no wrappers
Jayden Ward
A ruby tutorial will serve you the save.
Xavier Rivera
same*
Alexander Taylor
That's unfortunately untrue.
t. Crystal and Ruby user
Landon Butler
How's that untrue ?
Joseph Rodriguez
The type system alone makes too much of a difference.
Alexander Nguyen
I see where you are coming from there,
But you can't overlook how close it still is to Ruby.
Michael Smith
If the Crystal devs made Crystal 100% compatible with Ruby, then it would replace MRI Ruby and be the new Ruby standard. I dont see why the Crystal devs dont do this.
Daniel Parker
Wouldn't be a bad idea to suggest that to them, It'll be a pretty good idea if it gets put into action.
Leo Clark
Maybe it would compromise performance?
Brandon Kelly
Lovely language, but it can't build shared objects and lacks an OTP clone.
Asher Nguyen
Even syntactically there are enough differences caused by the type system, like:
# ruby
def hasDefaultParameters(bla: 123)
# crystal
def hasDefaultParameters(bla :Int32 = 123)
If it was 100% compatible, the devs wouldn't gain anything from using LLVM.
Plus threading support isn't there, the type system just assumes object attributes as thread unsafe which causes some surprising required typecast.
Jace Price
>If it was 100% compatible, the devs wouldn't gain anything from using LLVM.
Why? That doesnt make any sense. Its possible to use any backend for Ruby, it doesnt change Ruby as a language.
Wyatt Morris
They tried it, but couldn't make it work.
Cooper Jones
Julia is a scripting language that uses the LLVM backend, so it is possible, the Crystal devs are just not good enough compiler writers.
Adam Edwards
Making dynamically typed (and other dynamic features) languages fast requires a JIT compiler.
LLVM is too slow as JIT compiler backend which is why almost any JIT compiler community has given up on LLVM as a backend.
Besides, there are other, more promising and complete projects like Rubinius and JRuby9000.
Jackson Cox
Meme language is meme language. At least Pony offered something interesting like capabilities and actors. WTF is crystal offering?
Camden Sanchez
>so it is possible, the Crystal devs are just not good enough compiler writers.
No.
Julia was designed the way that it requires little recompilation later on because despite the dynamic type system it allows the compiler to assume a lot.
See juliacomputing.com
>WTF is crystal offering?
A native RAD language that isn't crippled like golang.
Jose Sanders
BUMP
I'm curious about this language
Landon Hill
I was disappointed to learn Pony didn't have preemption.
Luis Scott
Ok.
Here is how some stuff works:
aVariable = "OP"
# type of a Variable is inferred to String
arrVariable: [] of String = ["is", "a", "fag"]
# generic types require type declarations for the reason of enhanced compilation speed
if someCondition
bVariable = "Really."
end
# type of bVariable is inferred as String | Nil to mimic Ruby's code flow
# the same applies to attributes:
class SomeClass
def initialize(someVar : String) # arguments require type declarations for the reason of enhanced compilation speed
@x = someVar # type is String
end
def somethingElse
@y = 2 # type is String | Nil, since y wasn't mentioned in the constructor
end
end
Liam Harris
Somewhat off-topic, but why is Crystal moving so much faster than Nim? Is it just that they have more/better developers, or did Nim cripple itself somehow?
Jaxson Scott
Why doesn't someone just create a cross-platform easy to use language that is like python but faster?
Adrian Evans
Define "like Python".
Aaron Robinson
I don't see how Crystal is moving faster.
However, by creating a to-C compiler and relying on this backend and its leaky abstractions the nim devs built their house on sand and showed they lack compiler knowledge, so I wouldn't wonder if there is a lack of progress.
Oliver Johnson
have you seen Nim's website
seriously tho
Parker Parker
As in like Python but with a static type system and immutable types but still with shitty hacks like def someMethod(self): ?