>In the 90's, Switzerland faced one of the worst heroin problems in Europe with more increasing crime as a result. They opened treatment centres with clean needles, high quality heroin/heroin substitutes, showers, beds, as well as housing and jobs for addicts.
Look at Switzerland now. One of the cleanest and safest countries in the world.
Why can't we Canadians and Americans do this?
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Well in the US, private prisons profit from it.
Which means the politicians profit from it.
Heroin addicts deserve to die in dumpsters.
this is the best method to deal with drug addiction, the war on drugs is a total failure
Isn't it best for them to recover, so they can get a job and contribute to society?
>a """"treatment"""" clinic
>a """"work"""" camp
that's how they get you OP, don't believe their lies, stay safe and god bless
In the US seeking help can actually run up to 2 grand.
You have to pay a medical specialist 8 times a month and pay for it on your own since no even medicare covers it and thats 250 a visit.
Then you have to pay for the medicine which is about 100 a month.
Which you won't be able to make the reservation to get in until at least 6 months in advance.
Most commonly you got addicted to heroine from the need of strong pain killers so if you don't have a stable job just the one check you get a month from disability you're kind of fucked.
Then travel money which depends on bus, car, bike, or walking which can go up to 500$ depending on distance.
The US would never try to do that, we aren't commie enough to do it
Why would anyone use heroin in switzerland?
I've heard that heroine is pretty expensive also.
Guess which is cheaper, hint its not getting clean.
Parents used to do it.
about $780 a month.
Because it still feels like 15 orgasms at once no matter how much Jew gold you have.
Because half the people who are addicted are on some form of disability.
That and what and said. It's a damn shame honestly, and nowadays people cut heroin with so many other products it can become near lethal now.
t. works at a detox center
>recover
>heroin addiction
that's almost impossible.
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Contribute to society with minimum-wage McJobs that will probably never repay the costs of treatment?
No thanks, mercy-killings are the way to go.
How's work? You probably see some messed up shit
The Swiss are civilised people, Americans and Canadians are not. It's the same reason why the Swiss can be trusted with guns.
Someone who got admitted a few days back had a box with a bag full of heroin.
Someone got caught smoking K2 in their room a few weeks back.
It has its ups and downs. I certainly wouldn't miss it when I leave, that's for sure.
Have you been there? Switzerland is boring.
Because you get used to mountains, cows and grass, also boredom and poverty makes clouds your judgement.
Yeah, fucking animals
>poverty
Isn't every Swiss almost a millionaire?
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as far as i know, this happened in only 1 city, Geneva. and it's still a shit tier city.
>swiss
>commie in any way or shape to any degree or extent
ive seen it all now
It's what his dad should have used
If I had money to buy drugs, I'll go to sushi restaurant.
I agree.
But as an Canadian visiting family temporarily before returning to the states I kinda need your prisons because my entire salary and job is based from the prison complex and I really need the money so can you fix the problem in ~12 years?
>Why can't we Canadians and Americans do this?
Because your countries are too large, spread out and populous. Canada might be able to handle it because you have a decent social welfare system to help support it but america has no hope.
Most of those posting under the US flag on Sup Forums, are self-hating whites and millennial progressives of the following type:
Because it's immoral.
Also I don't care about people who use drugs. Fuck em.
work with an ex addict, just sounds so fucking gnarly to be on heroin man the whole deal is so grim- from being dope-sick to the once a month poos you do on methadone that make your bumhole bleed it's just awful
at least it's not meth that turns you into a soulless crystalized praying mantis
how you fucking nonce
have some compassion you prick, as much as i hate junkies as well they're deserving of treatment and care
Tweakers aren't nearly as dangerous as a dope sick junkys. I wouldn't put much past a heroine user who phisically needs to find h, they will do inhuman things
>as much as i hate junkies as well they're deserving of treatment and care
Why?
man shabs is like the honst to god crime fuel here rn, to be fair most jenks ehre are pretty old an harmless now a days and it's meth that's taken hold so could be different
Because they have the same feelings as the rest of us. They're people you fuckhead and it's not always clear cut. Some junkies are fuckwits, arguably most, but alot of the time they've some kind of sickness that's made heroin/meth/whatevs seems like a good thing to do.
From a practical perspective having decriminalised drug use, legally available drugs will to -an extent- decrease criminal elements in society.
also fuck you, prick, fight me IRL i bet you're a big ole pull yourself up by your bootstraps type who's never had any help in his life
Wow.
Yeah that's fairly accurate and if you were here I probably would. I haven't been in a fight in two years but I do miss it so step right up you whinny koala fucker.
You are genuinely autistic
nah, i can't say that i give a shit. we've all got our problems and most of us have managed to get through life without shooting up fucking heroin. every single one of these addicts were recreational drug users at one point so i have no sympathy. hard drugs are so far beyond stigmatized in society that anyone willingly engaging in the use of them is literally asking for their shit to be fucked up. so i say let them be fucked up.
not the guy you were replying to, but what if you swap out heroin with oxycodone? it's nearly the same addiction, but oxy is a pill prescribed by doctors. but the word heroin is stigmatized. is someone with an oxy habit worth rehabilitating?
Nobody "deserves" anything.
Do you not believe in human rights?
Surely there are some basic things every human deserves.
>Because they have the same feelings as the rest of us.
No they don't, they killed that part of their brains. All they're good for is stealing your shit to flog for chump change to buy the next hit.
The only good thing about a recovering heroin addict is that when they inevitably relapse they usually overdose because their tolerance changed.
Why should it be my responsibility to clean up their mess? They're the addicts, not me.
we already have safe injection sites in vancouver
there's still people injecting in alleys though
Swiss junkies get jobs and I can't fucking find one.
>human rights
don't make me laugh
Like how Africans have the right to come to live in France.
Former heroin addict and I must say this thread is pretty rude
Le edgy frenchmen.
Neither an african nor a french, but a Swiss studying in France
Take it from someone who used to be an addict. It is very easy to go from 0 to 100. I went through an experimental phase with drugs. I did everything under the sun, although I never touched heroin. I ended up getting hooked on oxy and hydro, at my worst taking 20+ hydrocodone a day.
I stopped using any drug except the pills at that time. In the end I got in trouble and went to jail. Got hit with tons of fines and legal fees, over $14,000. It's been 5 years and I just finally finished paying it off last month.
The system in the USA is absolutely 100% broken. I had a good family to fall back on and get help from, but if I didn't? It's impossible to pay off those things alone. I had to take drug class once a week, $50 a session, for three months. That's $200 a month. Then, I had $185 a month in restitution and fines. That's $385 a month.
On top of that, I was a new, jobless felon. Who is going to give that guy a job? Took me a year and a half to find a shitty part time job.
Had I not had my family I would have had one choice for money: crimes. They set you up for failure. I successfully quit that habit, and didn't return to jail, and got my felony record sealed, but I am the exception to a failed system.
>poverty
AHAHAHAHAHAH
Recover rate for long time addicts is negligible.
Best case they don't steal and get some crappy job but their health/mental problems (and related high costs of their medical treatments) far outweigh any positive contribution .
Financially speaking, from a country standpoint, this is better.
But we are humans of course, so dragging worst looking junkies on the shame tour through elementary and high schools ma be better. At least young people see what they may turn into if they start with this shit.
t. Antonio "I worked at social center and dealt with junkies for years" Barbosa
>I had to take drug class once a week, $50 a session, for three months. That's $200 a month
Why did an expert need a drug class? You basically got a PhD in drugs, you should be lecturer emeritus and charge them.
Funniest part about those classes were the smoke breaks. I was the only guy who didn't smoke a cigarette at that time.
The USA: where tobacco is okay to use, even during classes on drug addiction.
it's the same here, you would say "alcohol, tobacco and drugs"
of course the first two, the "non-drugs", cause far far more problems than "drugs"
And pretty much everything cost a million.
We should make heroin legal with the necessary regulation regarding its purity and distribution to minors.
This will ensure the addicts are geting pure realtively healthy stuff at an affordable price, so they can keep whatever shitty job they are capable of holding instead of becoming criminals. Also manufacturers and dealers will leave the black market and thus become taxable.
Why don't they move to France or Germany and only go to Switzerland for work?
It's 2016, we have trains and shit!
Without the US government drugs would've been decriminalised like a decade ago. Even former DEA agents support soft policies.
It's french and germans that come to Switzerland to work
fucking stinking pieces of shit leeches
Swiss people are proud and stay in Switzerland to support motherland
I live kinda near the border, a lot of people goes to Switzerland to work while staying in France/Germany, as such, the price of the rent and terrain near the border skyrocket.
So they wouldn't gain much, they still come there to buy living expense though.
This 100%. By making drugs illegal you create criminals both directly and indirectly.
I know it's cliche but just look at prohibition in the USA. Some of the largest and most notorious criminal groups formed during that period. Hell, the whole city of Chicago was run by the mafia, made possible by illegally selling alcohol.
On top of that, during that period there were even more deaths from alcohol due to impurities.
I personaly dream about double digit growth which would happen here for a few years after legalization.