Is there any real downside to death penalty? It seems pretty much flawless in itself...

Is there any real downside to death penalty? It seems pretty much flawless in itself, provided the judgment leading to it was right in the first place.

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Again failing to have common human decency.

This is why you are in the third world.

>provided the judgment leading to it was right in the first place
there's the problem, it's irreversible if you're wrong desu

Cuck. Some people deserve to die, it's better than having them rot in prison eating up taxes

>Is there any real downside to death penalty?

Flaws? - Maybe an oppressive government? What about mistakes in sentencing?

America has the wealth of a rich country but has the culture of niggers.

Decency is a luxury.
In the first world, when you already have established a high trust society and an infrastructure and mostly corruptionfree law enforcement whose power is not questioned you can get rid of the death penalty as senseless waste of life or petty revenge.

In places like El salvador, letting a cartell goon live is a harsh punishment and threat to all those who try to abide the law.
Thats the reason the flips elected duterte.

There's the risk of killing an innocent man by mistake

I don't agree with it because our justice system is fucked

justice in chile works like shit. there was a person recently who got jailed for about 4 months because he stole 1 dolar. after that time they realised he was innocent, he never stole that dollar. with this kind of stupidity death penalty would be another huge mistake.

why'd you delete your post, chilebro? it wasn't a bad one

>We dissaprove of you terrorizing and murdering people, so we're going to terrorize and murder you
No surprise that the death penalty only persists in shittier parts of the world

>Bongs in charge of human decency

T-thanks, I wrote it kind of like shit, I did some corrections here:

Well. ultimately all kinds of authority are established by murder, scaring or deeply imbedded moral convictions which wer instilled by struggle or murder and scaring too in the past.

When you murderscared your way to authority you can create order and humane laws.
The moment a crime syndicate, cult or other kind of faction grows strong enough to not only evade your laws but to challenge them openly you must fall back into primitive savagery to make a point or concess power to said faction which may a be better or worse law and order maker then you.

but Prisons make money, so how are they draining taxes?

Who do you think pays the contracts for the prisons?

There are a ton of practical flaws (the government will always push for it to be used more and more, there can be mistakes, etc...) but no ethical ones

>Is there any real downside to death penalty?
Plenty, namely it is a catch 22, death and the dealing of death
>It seems pretty much flawless in itself
It is not because it assumes a value for what is deserving and what is not deserving of being put to death
>provided the judgment leading to it was right in the first place
This assumes a universal system of ethics/morality that supposes the taking of life is an instrument for the stability of a system

once automation kicks in, the remaining non-replaceable blue collar jobs should be moved to jails

>the government should fuck off from my business
>but they should have the right to kill me when they see proper
????

>an intelligent american post

what is this

nice poem!

now can we talk about real life here?

all the governments and the constitution and so forth promises the protection of life but there is an exception

the existence of capital punishment is a backdoor to a closed system that is suppose to be consistently applied

basically the system can say that at any point it no longer has to protect human life if an individual is deemed unfit to live, which makes this system and the application of its rules subjective

regardless of "real life" or not because both works but capital punishment is definitely not necessary

I actually feel really really good whenever I hear news about my state killing another prisoner. Those fuckers deserve it I guarantee you.

>Me
No, I'm a person. The death penalty is for monsters, not human beings.

It's based on revenge and punishment which are bad things to base your prison system on.
Also it's actually more expensive than life in prison because it stays in court much longer

You can't fix mistakes with that.

the only thing it accomplishes is trading an eye for an eye. no 'extra justice' has been dealt by executing them.
if you want them to 'suffer' for their crime, its worse to spend life in prison that getting quickly executed by the state.

Someone don't deserve to live

I'm %100 okay with death penalty for repeat murderers, repeat child rapists and mass shooters.

I think it is certainly justified in a lot of cases but the main issue I see with it is that if someone is framed or falsely accused or if there is some corruption going on, after the person is executed, you cannot un-execute them

this to be honest

I'm personally in favor of the principle behind the idea, as I'm of the belief that there is no inherent or inalienable value to a human life, only the informed expectation of future value ("value" being by necessity a nebulous metric roughly accumulating a person's contributions to the lives of others, including immaterial aspects such as love and social support).
I'm well aware that such a view is both extremely abnormal and socially irresponsible, since many would consider it justification for wanton purges of undesirables. Personally I temper that aspect with a strong dislike of waste and inefficiency.

In any event, it's a moot point because any justice system will certainly be fallible, may be corrupt, and often be misapplied, so while the idea of execution is sound, the compromises of implementation will very often negate any benefit.

downside to the death penalty is that you have to get it right, and there is absolutely 0 room for error or the state takes a risk in permanently shattering its trust with the people.

one of the main reasons why people on death row take so fucking long to reach the end in the US is because lawyers are stalling and there's still elements in the trial that can give people the slightest hint of doubt on whether the person in question deserves death, so the process becomes stalled and gridlocked based on even the smallest things that are slowing the process. So the whole issue finds lands in an unfavorable position for everyone.

Because if you kill tons of people too fast, it's absolutely awful for Public Relations with the people and the state WILL get one sentence wrong, ruining everything.

Kill people too slowly like what's going on now, and it's just a slow burden for everyone involved while tax money is burning with nothing to show for it literally 20 years later.

tl;dr: you HAVE to get it right every single time when you sentence a person to death, if one case goes wrong and the state kills an innocent man, all faith in the state will risk complete evaporation.