Memes aside, how difficult is it to obtain a citizenship of Australia for a white, conservative American man such as myself?
How would I be viewed on your island?
Would you beat me up?
Can we be friends if you don't beat me up?
These questions, and many more I would like answered.
>Memes aside, how difficult is it to obtain a citizenship of Australia for a white, conservative American man such as myself?
Do you have any useful skills? Yes its easy under a visa and then settle in for a couple of years
>How would I be viewed on your island?
Another sepo
>Would you beat me up?
Fuck oath
>Can we be friends if you don't beat me up?
We beat you up more when you're a mate
>How would I be viewed on your island?
You will be bantered relentlessly because of your accent
This will never stop, no matter how long you stay or how long you know people so long as you don't adapt an australian accent
You obviously need a masters or phd and not in communications. Once you get that find a job offer and then apply for citizenship once you've done the resident program long enough.
> How old are you?
> What qualifications do you have?
> Is it just you moving?
> Do you have a criminal record?
Also per your questions:
>How would I be viewed on your island? Would you beat me up?
Depends on the content of your character in different areas.
as a side note: American conservatives =/= Australian conservatives.
>Can we be friends if you don't beat me up?
Sure, if you're a good enough bloke. Just dial back the conservative rhetoric unless you know you're among likeminded friends.
>any useful skills?
What does Australia need at the moment? Right now I'm a NEET living off my Dad, who is a physician.
You see, I'm not really interested in anything but I could become utilitarian with my future. What I mean by this is, if your country needs somebody with useful skills, I could obtain those skills from a college through a degree, and then apply for Australian citizenship.
It's a win/win for me and your country. But like I said before, I have to know what y'all need from me.
Also, how efficient is your healthcare and how many mudslimes and shitskins do you have over there?
As continued from my OP post.
>How old are you?
20
>What qualifications do you have?
None, but I can have qualifications. Right now I'm quite undecided about work, and college. But this could change rapidly.
>Is it just you moving?
Yes. Nobody else.
>Do you have a criminal record?
No, I do not.
>you will be bantered relentlessly
I can handle the bants, I think.
Maybe.
I'll get a masters, definitely, it would look good on my resume. But the question is, a masters in what?
Trades are always in demand- electronics, rigging, mechanics and general house-builder skills like plumbing, carpentry and brick laying.
Semi-skilled are also well received- truck driving, warehousing, forklifts, bulldozers etc
Mostly people come over via a job, when I was doing a lot of contracting building telco networks I'd look around for locals to do the job and generally come up with small numbers, then hit the overseas markets and bring them in on a visa for x-amount of time. If they liked living and working here, generally get a visa extension and recommend they do citizenship.
In terms of healthcare, world class.
In terms of muslims, not many- there are some but mostly they're no problem really. Spearchuckers we've not got a lot of either, like I can't remember the last time I saw a legit Somali
>trades
What kind of college degrees over there get alot of jobs too besides trades?
Not that I would mind doing trades.
To put it bluntly, you're looking at something like an 7+ year game plan.
Immigration is far more forgiving to younger people but you stand a far better chance of getting citizenship by having a qualification AND experience in a field considered lacking in Australia.
You need to demonstrate how you'll be an asset to the country. If you have a criminal record in the past 10 years at the time when you sit the citizenship exam, then there's a good chance you'll be disqualified.
So let's say you spend 3 years at college, you then need some work experience in that field so you have references. You then need to spend 4 years in Australia on a valid visa before you can apply for citizenship.
Also on a side note - you may realise that Sup Forums and Sup Forums are not representative of Australia. Being overtly racist will alienate you in almost every setting except for hardcore right wing areas (which are mostly in the country when you exclude wealthy electorates who are simply economic liberals who favour conservative business policies).
I'm Elec Engineering (mostly transmission & signals) and always buried in some kind of work, but that's because its kind of hard to find engineers that know what the fuck they're doing.
Medicine will get you work anywhere
Project management and other high end economics type stuff is still quite well recieved
Law- my wife is a lawyer and always busy, she came over incidentally on a student visa but stayed when she got full time work, then met me.. which may be a downside depending on your opinion!
>7+ year game plan
It's worth it desu. Especially when Shillary is on the verge of becoming president.
But if I went into trades, would it be shorter than 7 years? Would it be 5 years time?
Also I understand full well that being rayciss will very much alienate me from your cunt. I know you're all liberals, I would never say anything rayciss at work.
>Medicine will get you work anywhere
Depends. We have an oversupply of graduate and junior clinicians at the moment. OP would need to have demonstrated benefits over our own doctors.
>medicine
Too long
>economics stuff
Maybe
>law
Don't want to be perceived as a scumbag, also too long.
Lot of the specialists are quite demanded- dentists, nukes, surgeons of various types and qualified nurses tend to always seem to be busy
Generalist docs and other quackery- not so much, though I've never known one that wasn't employed somewhere
>I would never say anything rayciss at work.
I'm not joking. Until you know the extent of any new friend's views you should completely refrain from it even in a social setting unless it's banter.
It's a different social dynamic here. Americanisms aren't always well accommodated. I've certainly seen them get beat down for less.
I'll just be silent then unless introduced by newfriends.
How expensive are your households by the way and do I have to pay alot of taxes?
Even though I don't know how to pay for taxes yet because I'm a NEET.
Housing + mostly everything else is expensive compared to the US
However, in the global scheme of things its actually also better than most places on earth as well. Most people are struggling to keep up with the housing in big cities, but in the country and secondary cities its still sort of affordable.
Taxes- not high, they come out of your pay, you get a statement every 12 months that says how much you've paid, take it to accountant they'll figure out if you owe more/less and also make deductions based on your employment.
I've actually gotten tax back on everything I've used for work- laptops to tractors and semiautomatic rifles
Do you guys have to manually pay taxes? It's automatically deducted from our salary in NZ, I believe Aus is the same
Yeah, basically a safe bet especially in your age group.
Incredibly expensive.
San Francisco/New York tier expensive in Sydney. A tiny bit lower in Melbourne. Rapidly rising in Perth.
We have among the highest house prices and costs of living in the world.
Income tax in AUD:
> ato.gov.au
We have a point based immigration system. It depends what relevant skills and education you have.
Income tax is about the same unless you are super rich.
How much do they go for usually? Let's say I want to get a house that's small but livable. Would it be 150,000 or more?
Yes, I do believe we do manually pay taxes here. If it's automatic over there than I suppose I shouldn't be worried about that.
Okay well, I think this was just about the extent of what I wanted to ask. Oh wait, how do I get a visa too?
And I'm going to screenshot this thread just in case any of you lads happen to meet me irl in Australia and I was successful in migrating.
Where do you want to live?
Because $150,000 is like.. just a deposit for a mortgage in some areas. In Sydney the median house price is $1,025,500 AUD. A small house even far away from the CBD would still cost you >$500,000
I just want to live somewhere where it's really cheap over there.
To be quite honest, I'm not sure even when I get there what will happen afterwards. I'm kind of scared at the thought of leaving but I know I have to do it.
>I just want to live somewhere where it's really cheap over there.
You really don't, there's a reason people crowd in the cities.
Its a catch-22
Living somewhere cheap is usually because there's no work, live somewhere expensive because there's work.
There's not much of a middle ground.
... I really think you haven't thought this through.
The only place where houses are cheap is in the country or Tasmania. The trade off is that services are far more sparse, goods cost more, there's less to do and job options are more limited. It's not like the US where country towns are still rather large and well connected to the next big one 80 miles way..
Nowhere here fits your definition of "really cheap." We're an expensive country.
Alright so, if there's work near the place it'll be expensive and if its cheap then theres nothing there.
I see. Well, yes I haven't thought this through. The only time I've been out of the continent is when I went to Italy and my Dad planned that all for us.
I'm kind of a virgin at life to be honest here family.
Where do Western foreigners usually reside then if not households?
desuarchive.org
Are you the guy that spams this
No sir, I am not that American user.
If I was I wouldn't say I'm moving there immediately.
You see, I'm very much contemplating leaving to Australia because I fear USA is going to be at death's door with Shillary as president.
A lot hang out in share houses or small apartments until they have enough for a deposit, then spend the rest of their working career paying off the mortgage on the house.
In fact, that's kind of the boat everyone your age is in at the moment - foreign or Australian.
A lot of people are making longer commutes of >1 hour a day to work so that they can rent a large house or mortgage a smaller one.
I wouldnt even banter around city folk, compared to rural areas some seem to be extremely liberal
though you can relax a little around the ones that don't literally look like numales
To be honest, pick a university and if your family is willing to foot the bill (and you do some part time work), do your degree here.
If the US is still shit in 4-5 years time, maybe stay or go
I highly doubt the US will go completely down the shitter, its a big animal and fairly hard to kill. Being a bit more worldly wouldn't hurt you though
Okay then, is there anything else I should be made aware of when moving to AU?
Look, I'm an inner city guy and I'm pretty liberal as it comes. I feel my comment borders more on common decency in pretty multicultural areaa desu. That's not to say I won't use race in banter, that's fine and most people get over it quickly, but there's a noticeable distinction between that and bigotry/prejudice.
Also the numale epidemic is pretty overblown desu. They really only congregate around hipster bars and some faculties at uni.
You're NEET, you have plenty of time to put in some valuable study time on the subject. Make a serious plan and look at all angles - treat it like a school subject. Shit I live here and I've probably missed some valuable information.
Very well, I'll research Australia and I shall become a master of knowing about it. And then afterwards I'll work in my home country to get alot of money with a part time job.. Then I'll move to Australia with the money I earned with a work visa and then apply for a university there.
Or something like that.
Think most of the hipsters and other poofter varieties of them seem to have died out or fucked off back to wherever the hell they came from.
How do I get a work visa btw?
which unis have a more prevalent numale society?
I'm going to UNSW for uni prep next year, how fucked am I?
Assuming you're from nsw..
If Trump becomes president instead will you stay or leave?
>It's automatically deducted from our salary in NZ, I believe Aus is the same
Fucking hell, such a good life there.
If I lived in Australia for 20 years and got an Australian accent, would I be able to call myself Australian or would I get called out on it by people who knew I wasn't born in Australia?
Even though there's no real ethnic difference I feel like the latter is a strong possibility.
I may go just to never see my gay ass family ever again even if Trump is the victor.
Or I may not. Really it depends on how much of a will I have.
I don't think they would know if you were Australian or not. British people tend to blend in such places.
Well, my assumption is that some people would already know (or I'd tell them)
It's really a question of what it means to "be" Australian, which sounds pretentious. For example my impression is that someone could "become" an American because of the US's history of European immigration, so long as they love America and call themselves American (and maybe get citizenship) it's not so important to be born in the USA, but it'd be very hard to "Become" English, because English is generally defined by birth and lineage instead of living in England for a long time (at best you'd be British when you got citizenship.)
Australia is at a weird crossroads where lineage isn't a factor for someone from the UK, but I don't know if birth still is, or if they just go by citizenship.
It's not really a legal thing, just something about people's perceptions of whether you are or aren't one of them.
>or Tasmania
No seppos/mainlanders allowed, sorry.
>20 year old seppo
if you're serious, save some money and come over on a working holiday visa first to see how you like it and make friends and shit.
Our identity is cultural, not ethnic. Same as you're describing for America.
Picking up some of the accent helps with acceptance but it's pretty much unavoidable if you spend a few years here.
My wife has only lived here nine years and she's accepted as Australian, even before she naturalised.