/urban/ + /architecture/

Moscow vs Dubai

Poll: poal.me/x8bny

Battle of Skylines Round 1 Battle 1

Other urls found in this thread:

strawpoll.me/10415202/r
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-futurism
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The bracket

Who won last time? I Remember only you being buttblasted that Paris won over Bangkok. Where are European cities?

Moscow

>Who won last time?
pic rel
>Where are European cities?
lost in the group stage

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Tel Aviv

Moscow

Dubai

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the buildings in Dubai look so futuristic but the city looks so... dead? devoid of any culture, just for show, etc.

Don't you think this is a bit shit? I know there are some new cities but if places like NYC/HK are in then they are probably going to win anyway.

Why not make one that only uses second-rate skylines.

every time

you should open a poll at one time, close it after 12 hours, and then create a new poll of the same round for 12 more hours

a recommendation

Mang i really hope the weaboos wont let Tokyo win over Hongkong.

Objectively speaking both Shanghai and Dubai are already top 1 contenders so no.

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fuck

oh thanks God I saved the thread it was on 11th page

lets atleast have like 50 votes

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Moscow, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, NYC, Guangzhou, Shanghai, Singapore, Chongqing

>Moscow over Dubai
wew Moscow is not even in the same league is like putting San Francisco over NYC

also Chongqing over Chicago?

dat comfyness

I have never seen a photo of that highway with more than a few cars on it.

Dubai has height, and a few top tier skyscrapers. But the rest is fucking trash.

Its literally become a dumping ground for architecture firms.

Just look at the shit in that pic. Its like a Los Vegas casinos take on what a futuristic city should look like, down to the cheap precast and shitty glass.

While I think that Moscow is a nice city in general, I must admit that there's ONLY ONE FUCKING SKYSCRAPER DISTRICT there, called "Moscow-City", the one you can see on most of the "oh-look-at-how-modern-Moscow-is" photos. And it still isn't finished, when you actually walk there, there are prefab shelters and dirt all over the place.

Dubai is a soulless, Las Vegas-tier city that has nothing noteworthy aside from a few tall buildings.

this.
Everyone was asleep for the HK VS Shanghai

>I have never seen a photo of that highway with more than a few cars on it.
Is that one of these memes trying to prove that Dubai is a "soulless" place "without culture" and is in fact quite empty? Well Dubai surely isn't really that crowded but it's certainly lively it's just most of the pics of that road are taken at early/night hours.
>Dubai has height
Dubai doesn't just "have height", Dubai has the tallest skyscraper in the world and the largest number of supertalls in the world. It's a skyline on steroids.
>But the rest is fucking trash.
>there are a lot of trashy buildings in Dubai
Wow what a news, if a city has 170 skyscrapers yes atleast some of them are going to be shitty. And that's true for every single city with a high numbers of skyscrapers: NYC, HK, Shanghai, even Chicago has some really shit ones.

And what does Moscow have against Dubai's 22 supertalls? 1 decent modernist cluster? Meh.
kek every time, what does being "soulless" and "having nothing noteworthy aside from a few tall buildings" have to do with this thread? Do you know this entire competition and this poll is exclusively about tall buildings?

Fuck, I'm sorry. Didn't read the OP that well, didn't see skylines. Thought it was just the cities in general.

In that case Dubai, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, NYC, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Chicago

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>Seoul
Have you ever seen the Guangzhou's skyline?

Pic rel

Ok posting sum Moscow now

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This is ridiculous, that scyscrapper area is not in any way central to Moscow it's just a nice addition in the outskirts. Real Moscow is kinda like picrelated

yes the thread is about this specific skyscraper area against Dubai

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>Is that one of these memes trying to prove that Dubai is a "soulless" place "without culture" and is in fact quite empty? Well Dubai surely isn't really that crowded but it's certainly lively it's just most of the pics of that road are taken at early/night hours.

Nah, its just strange that they build such a massive highway through things yet have such light traffic on it. Dubai is also a case of very poor urban planning.

>Dubai doesn't just "have height", Dubai has the tallest skyscraper in the world and the largest number of supertalls in the world. It's a skyline on steroids.

Yes, I know that all you give a shit about is pure height and the aesthetics of things is meaningless to you.

>Wow what a news, if a city has 170 skyscrapers yes atleast some of them are going to be shitty. And that's true for every single city with a high numbers of skyscrapers: NYC, HK, Shanghai, even Chicago has some really shit ones.

Its not a few shit ones. Its almost all of them save a handful of decently designed an excuted buildings.

You know how people here shit all over brutalism? Well in 50 or so years people will be shitting over all the hideous pomo towers in dubai.

>Do you know this entire competition and this poll is exclusively about tall buildings?

If its purely about tall buildings then what is the point of these threads? You can objectively measure that and put out a list.

But hey, what other argument can you put up right? Its not like you can argue your point on aesthetic, historical or technological grounds. All you do is

>muh height!

Which is the most cancerous type of skyscraper fan there is.

>how you want your buildings sempai
>just miami my shit up!

Proof positive that money cant buy taste

But hey, they have a bunch of VE'd to hell and back towers so its OMG AMAZING

Moscow, Hong Kong, Shenzhen, NYC, Seoul, Shanghai, Singapore, Chicago

Why did Toronto not even make it to the first round?
Smhtbhfam

Sup Forums wants to deport THIS?

Because OP will literally change/fuck with the poll as much as possible so chink cities win. Which makes it kinda strange that toronto didn't make it.

>Nah, its just strange that they build such a massive highway through things yet have such light traffic on it. Dubai is also a case of very poor urban planning.
Nope. It's just they built as they would be building for a much larger metropolis, they expect that Dubai will keep growing at astounding rate. We'll see, for now it has population of "only" 2.5 millions.
>Yes, I know that all you give a shit about is pure height and the aesthetics of things is meaningless to you.
Nah, but not the best aesthetics don't make a skyscraper worth nothing for a skyline. It doesn't magically dissapear. It's still nice to have a such, it still conitrbutes to the silhouette
>Its almost all of them save a handful of decently designed an excuted buildings.
wow nice horseshit, all of the recent projects are pretty good, Burj Khalifa is a fucking masterpiece, stop talking shit
>You know how people here shit all over brutalism?
maybe on Sup Forums, actually a lot of people in this general appreciate brutalism
>Well in 50 or so years people will be shitting over all the hideous pomo towers in dubai.
ok mr prophet

but I'm already disgusted by early kitschy cheap towers in Dubai, pretty sure they will get demolished in the next 50 years though
>If its purely about tall buildings then what is the point of these threads?
>All you do is
>>muh height!
clearly you don't get it

these threads are about skyline

and while how do you exactly rate a skyline is an arguable thing still most of people would probably agree that the size, height, composition, quality, density are the most important things which define the skyline

and you are just saying an absolute top tier skyline is worth nothing because you don't like its architectural style

pretty sure if that thread was Dubai vs Warsaw you would still argue that Warsaw is somehow better than Dubai

I'm trying to figure it out right now

Ok apparently Toronto was in Group G, together with Dubai, Tokyo and Jakarta.

strawpoll.me/10415202/r

I don't really know why it wouldn't make it, I personally regard it as top 10 skyline.

>size
check

>height
check

>composition, quality, density
kek

not worse than Moscow in any of these cathegories and completely another league in terms of size and height

Nah, Moscow may be "tiny", but it's leagues better in the latter three points if you ask me. Could use some work on ground level, but for what it is, it's great. That's just a matter of taste, though, but taste is ultimately what this falls down to, innit?

>implying all skyscrapers dont look the same everywhere

mayybe older skyscraper cities like new york, the rest will al have the same postmodern cheesy look

>Nah, Moscow may be "tiny", but it's leagues better in the latter three points if you ask me.
nope density is not subjective Dubai Marina has the same density as the MIBC

when it comes to composition the only cluster Moscow has is pretty good, Dubai Marina of course is pretty good aswell (honestly the main thing about "composition" is density I don't think it should be a category on its own) - the rest of Dubai absolutely not but Dubai atleast have some more than few skyscrapers...

When it comes to "quality" it's almost purely subjective, imo both Dubai and Moscow don't excel at it, Dubai has a lot of cheap, kitschy shit, a lot of the towers are repetitive, but it also has Burj Khalifa and Cayan Tower which are both really good, Moscow is a modernist blue glass spam, nothing really great but also not bad, there are no actually shit tier skyscrapers there

postmodernist skyscrapers prevail in the Middle East (Dubai, Abu Dhabi, Tel Aviv) but not really that much in the rest of the world

most of the largest projects (Burj Khalifa, Shanghai Tower, The Shard) are neo-futurist

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>Dubai losing against Moscow
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holy shit just look at that pic

how the fuck would anyone sane vote for the upper city yet its 32:16 my sides

Because most people can see that dubai is by and large value engineered pomo trash

the poll is about skylines and as you can see in the OP it's ~12 fat blue glassed blocks against 70(and that's like 1/3 of Dubai's skyline) one of the tallest buildings on Earth

your opinion on what Dubai is is irrelevant and offtopic

The best question is how exactly Dubai managed to win it's group especially with Toronto in(actually good skyline, not like Moscow) but I guess it's just the small vote count.

thats all post modern, we're living in postmodern times with no end in sight

>the poll is about skylines
>most of people would probably agree that the size, height, composition, quality, density are the most important things which define the skyline

so cheap as fuck ve'd precast pomo towers count as quality?

or does quality just not count with dubai because you are all about
>muh height!

shhh, let him think neo-futurist is an actual architectural movement

I don't know what times we live in but I know post-modern architecture isn't the "newest" one.

pic rel is "neo-futurist"

pic rel is "post-modern"
>shhh, let him think neo-futurist is an actual architectural movement
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-futurism
you can exclude 100 towers from Dubai's skyline, it still has 10x more towers than Moscow fucking kek

and what are you so butthurt about?

>you can exclude 100 towers from Dubai's skyline, it still has 10x more towers than Moscow fucking kek

Then just make a list of cities by number/density/height and be done with it. Because what the fuck is the point of this thread if all you want is some objective measure of things?

Aesthetics of the skyline are subjective, and this is why dubai is getting btfo by moscow in the poll. You may go nuts over total height and density, but not everyone else does.

So keep talking about how great dubai is since it has a bunch of towers, and I'll keep shitting on it because most of that stuff is vegas/miami tier pomo made with the cheapest materials possible - outside of maybe a dozen showcase towers they actually spent decent money on and had non-slave labor make.

>TFW Tatlins Tower will never be built

It looks like it would be a fun rollercoaster ride

>few blue glassed showcase fat modernist blocks
>quality
oh im laughing


>You may go nuts over total height and density, but not everyone else does.
Nah, everyone else goes with some stupid meme prejudice, no one sane will vote for 10x smaller skyline. Sure some towers are shit. Maybe a lot. But as I said. Exclude 75% of towers from Dubai. Exclude even Burj Khalifa. Dubai is still better and larger. You are just keep ignoring it because it's not white or something.
>and I'll keep shitting on it because most of that stuff is vegas/miami tier pomo made with the cheapest materials possible
hmm... are buildings in pic related "cheap"?

and I guess I'll add this

While dubai has more skyscrapers than moscow, atleast the russians have some real native character to their buildings

Stalins skyscrapers may not have been resounding aesthetic achievements, but they tried their hand at making a new form of skyscraper with a uniquely russian approach to things.

What does dubai have? A bunch of standard concrete core towers with bits and pieces of islamic/me design tacked on here and there. Just enough to make it look "middle eastern" but in a kind of cheap and inoffensive disneyland sort of way. There isn't anything properly contextual about the cities architecture, or even anything fucking native about it.

Dubai is ultimately just taking the current standard form of international architecture/urban planning and 'localizing' it in the easiest way possible so they can make bank off rich people looking for real estate to sop up.

>Nah, everyone else goes with some stupid meme prejudice, no one sane will vote for 10x smaller skyline.

Then stop making these polls every few months and just make a 100% true listing based off of height and density.

Because every time these threads are made you end up getting booty blasted since not everyone goes nuts over the same shit you do.

So rather than dumping a ton of photos when the poll doesnt go your way just make a fucking list of things on the qualities you care about and be done with it.

>hmm... are buildings in pic related "cheap"?

Yes, value engineered to within and inch of their life, shitty precast concrete facades with cheap chink glass. They look nice from a distance but there is a reason why most architecture critics shit on these buildings. They are build like trash.

And before you say
>omg they are quality

This is what fucking quality in materials means in skyscraper design. Bronze, terracotta tiles and nice quality glass.

Colored precast concrete is not high quality

>Seattle beat Toronto

fucking what? lmao

>Stalins skyscrapers may not have been resounding aesthetic achievements, but they tried their hand at making a new form of skyscraper with a uniquely russian approach to things.
No, Stalin skyscrapers are more of cheap copies of American art deco than any reference to traditional Russian architecture.

Entire Soviet architecture is cheap, poor and if there are any decorations at all they are mostly kitsch. And funny thing you are hating on Dubai for the very same things.
>What does dubai have?
The tallest building in the world with a design based on the desert flower and emboding traditional islamic spiral minaret. Also some other buildings notably in Dubai Marina resemble minarets aswell. Not some top tier references, still better than fucking >Stalin architecture. >Then stop making these polls every few months
they were being made every year so far t b h
>Because every time these threads are made you end up getting booty blasted since not everyone goes nuts over the same shit you do.
the only one who is buttblasted here is you, judging from your constant sperging
>Yes, value engineered to within and inch of their life, shitty precast concrete facades with cheap chink glass.
Yeah I wonder where $2.17 billions for Princess Tower went, apparently it has cheap chink glass and shitty precast facades.

Anyway some of the Dubai buildings clearly lack quality, but you can exclude all of them and still you are left with 5x larger skyline than Moscow's.
>They look nice from a distance but there is a reason why most architecture critics shit on these buildings.
Are they shitting on Princess Tower though?
sometimes people just vote for memes (like now) sometimes polls are rigged

sounds like a meme, its the same eclectisism thats been going on for the last decades, use of tech and futuristic aesthetic is nothing new, no divergent values. id have to read that "manifesto", but really, there's nothing that sets what is described there apart, and some works mentioend there belong to other styles that are encompassed by postmodernism. deconstructivism was way more of a "next phase" but its still part of postmodern

i mean yeah, if you wanna call it a trend sure but architecture is not fashion and time will tell if its really a style or not. when its looked back upon,itll have to be something really differing that changes the current paradigm. everything as of now are marginal changes.

>few blue glassed showcase fat modernist blocks
Glass is beautiful. Moscow's towers are pretty much all beautiful. How they work with each other is in a beautiful manner. Each tower holds its own as a delicious piece of architecture, while still having a natural place in the cluster.

Dubai, looking outside from the planning, is regardless too overshadowed by off-looking and depressively tacky (imo) towers. It should have been more like Doha, where the beige residential towers that blend into the surrounding dunes are less overwhelming.

But of course, that's just my taste. Not taking sides here. There's nothing to refute. Move on.

I wouldn't call soviet architecture pretty, but some buildings were definitely interesting. They liked investing in their art, for what it is worth.

OP's picture is shit regardless because it is zoomed into one tiny part of the city.

I'd rather Dubai in my opinion, for whatever that is worth. Warsaw has had a lot of tower construction in the last 20 years, no?