Now that the dust has settled, on a scale of 0 to 10, what do you think will happen to them over the next 20 years?
0 being the UK utterly disintegrates and 10 being the British Empire completely reconstitutes itself, regaining all former territorial holdings including the United States.
rule britannia
5.
We will leave the EU, but we won't.
My prediction:
Britain gets the Norway deal, basically still using the free market, still getting the Poles, still abiding by EU rules, but now having any say in what those rules are.
Good luck chaps.
*not having any say
0
looking for an Irish ancestry right now, i hear they're handing citizenship out like candy currently
4 or 5.
If the UK finally leaves, Scotland is going to ask for another separatist referendum, fracturing the UK.
Now, how bad that would be to the rest of the constituent countries, I have to guess not much; London is still -and will remain so- a very strong financial center.
Bare in mind things aren't going to change much for the incoming decade: Britain will want to stay in the common market, but that means they will still have to pay basically the same and have to accept free movement.
In such a situation, I'm guessing the UK will lose importance, lots of it -while still remaining at least a continental power-, and then we'll have to see after that decade whether or not the situation would change or not.
If, on the other hand, the UK is dumb enough to break relationships with the common market, the country is going to fall for sure; it probably would take more than just a decade, but the end would be written in such a situation.
Strong countries with global reach don't just fall on a wimp, it took Spain several wars, a civil conflict, no industry and several years to actually fade from the world theater, the UK would take just as long.
5
I don't believe they'll actually leave the EU.
Ooooooooh really?
In the next 20 years the EU will collapse entirely. Britain will be looked upon as the nation that instigated it and some saucy bitch from Bordeaux will let me hatefuck her.
5
Nothing will fucking change
I wish British people will happy
Much appreciated, Ivanbro.
kek
2-3
They shot themselves in the leg badly and I´m pretty sure the UK will break up, Scotland will certainly have another referendum.
Merkel, pls.
>In the next 20 years the EU will collapse entirely.
I think it will not. Neither will you.
The EU is doomed. They can't control the rising anti-EU and nationalist sentiment growing amongst its member nations.
between 4-6 all other answers are wrong.
Utterly wrong, never going to happen.
4~5
more or less like said
>anti-EU and nationalist sentiment growing amongst its member nations
It's not that big.
>Utterly wrong, never going to happen.
Nope, it will. You Juncker dick-riders can keep pretending your club is a cosy one, when it's far from it.
It's not that big in the UK either, we still voted out.
>still getting the Poles
sounds like a disease
Because it is.
Don't you like your toilets clean and shiny?
>Nope, it will
No, it won't. I know that you really hoped in the EU dissolution, but it's not going to happen, at all. Sorry if this crashes your masterplan. You've been brainwashed really good.
Not all economies can handle exit. Yo've also made them stronger, Brexit is used to promote unity "unlike those dumb Britts".
>They can't control the rising anti-EU and nationalist sentiment growing amongst its member nations.
As a matter of fact Brexit did a great job of stopping it.
My masterplan? The EU is a failing project. You put your hands over your eyes and pretend the world around you isn't crumbling all you want.
Brainwashed, indeed.
Promote unity? Kek.
>Not all economies can handle exit.
Of course not. Parasites like Poland and other Eastern EU nations won't. But, it'll not be their decision if the EU collapses.
>if the EU collapses
Any realistic scenarios?
It's clear that, for you, the dust has not settled yet and you are not able to see anything but the ukip campaign and similar lies.
>As a matter of fact Brexit did a great job of stopping it.
No, that's not a fact at all.
theguardian.com
8
The eu is just going to get worse. They can send you to re education camps and legally steal children because a bureaucrat thinks they are pretty
UK flourishes outside the EU by becoming more globalist. Encourages other big EU economies that life does exist outside of their anti-democratic EU hugbox. Anti-EU politicians feel a decision to hold a referendum to leave is justified.
EU attempts to cut its nose of to spite its face by making things very difficult for the UK outside of the EU. This causes massive damage to the economies of Germany and France in particular. Results in possible recession, Euro collapses, triggers a movement to disband the EU.
EU citizens continue to be disillusioned with the Merkel/German pseudo-dictatorship. Continuing anti-EU and nationalist feelings rise, more referenda take place, more member nations decide to leave.
More shit-tier nations like those in the Balkans join. More shit-tier people flood the EU driving down wages, straining infrastructure and resources. Immigration levels sky rocket. The working classes revolt.
There's a 101 scenarios that could happen. lad.
I'm left-wing, UKIP doesn't interest me. My vote to leave the EU has nothing to do with lies or their campaign. I was decided nearly 12 years back.
Italy and France will not leave. Le Pen needs to win which is just not going to happen, Italy is pro EU so even if 5 star wins they will not leave. All around Europe news and people are saying how dumb brits are. Only delusional Brexit voters still think UK economy is going to flourish.
10
We'll ascend to a higher plane of existence and rule over silly mortals.
ahahah jesus your headlines are borderline autistic and unreal
>27 june
it was a bad attempt at damage control in the public opinion tbqh
not going to happen
ever
>linking the guardian as his source
This is a great opportunity for Britain to secure it's borders.
>anti-democratic EU
?
She doesn't need to win. Farage didn't need to win and he got what he desired.
She is the only one that wants to hold referendum. Cameron said he will hold referendum.
>not going to happen
>ever
Yup, this is what the UK media and political establishment said about Brexit. Lel.
Cameron never wanted a referendum, he did so to appease the backbenchers in his party and try try and nullify the threat of UKIP.
And Le Pen isn't the only politician in France that is Eurosceptic.
Even Hollande has made remarks that the EU is in desperate need of reforming to cease its overbearing intervention in national affairs, but we know that's never going to happen.
Once these little seeds are planted they grow and grow.
Do you have an argument, Ty'Rone?
But he promised that if he won he will hold it. That has nothing to do if he wanted or not.
Plus all politicians say that EU needs reforms. That doesn't mean they are euroskeptic.
>To all mainstream politicians, however, the idea of a Frexit is abhorrent. François Hollande, the president, is in favour of France remaining within the EU, as are his opponents on the centre-right. Hollande said in the wake of Britain’s vote: “This is a painful choice and it is deeply regrettable both for the UK and Europe.”
theguardian.com
This.
The "New Relationship" will be the same as it is now, just with less EU flags.
I think something is getting lost in translation here.
>And Le Pen isn't the only politician in France that is Eurosceptic.
The two main parties are pro-EU (with an irrelevant number of Eurosceptics), as well as the entirety of our media.
Any refusal to limit immigration for example will see the Tories kicked out in 2020. If they last that long.
Yes, our two main parties are pro-EU too, and pretty much all our media.
Well hope you like labour then.
Poles and Romanians aren't going anywhere. Best you can hope for is resurrection of the deal Cameron negotiated as alternative to brexit.
>pretty much all our media
'no'
What is the Sun or the Daily Mail?
Here the equivalents of these newspapers are all EU shills.
>Poles and Romanians aren't going anywhere
Not the ones already here, no. No one is demanding a forceful repatriation of the EU citizens already here. Not sure where you get that idea. Probably the smears from your pro-EU media.
'yes'
When I say "pretty much all our media", I don't mean "our entire fucking media". You've named two papers (one whose Sunday sister paper was pro-EU) and assumed that qualifies as the whole UK media establishment. Kek
ITT: The perfide Albion still try to destroy Europe.
I think you'll find it's Germany trying to do that, my brainwashed Boulogne brother.
Yet these are very popular newspapers.
Here, it's THE ENTIRETY of our media who will defend the EU, because:
>1) almost all the press is state-funded
>2) almost all the press belongs to a few businessmen who are all tied to the two main parties (who are pro-EU)
>3) the few newspapers that aren't concerned by 1) or 2) are dying rags no one wants to read, and they're mostly pro-EU btw
>dem poles be takin' er jebs
>i'd be cleaning toilets meself if it werent for those dem poles
>Not sure where you get that idea. Probably the smears from your pro-EU media.
Is that what you call brexiteer campaigning?
Yes, and lots of other popular newspapers wanted to be part of the EU. The fact remains, which you refuse to acknowledge, is that despite overwhelming support for remaining in the EU from our business, media and political establishment, it counted for nothing on June 23rd.
Now, I'm not really sure where this argument is going as it appears you've not followed the conversation chain. The future of the EU isn't dependant upon France and a referendum anyway.
Why would the Brexit campaign be pro-EU, Bohemiabro? What makes you think there's a desire to forcibly remove EU citizens already here? Is this what your press have been claiming?
Brexit will go down in history books as a reason not to hold referendums based on the ideas of populists who have no means to deliver.
Best case scenario for Britain at this point is hoping everything goes back to how it was pre-brexit vote.
>Best case scenario for Britain at this point is hoping everything goes back to how it was pre-brexit vote.
I understand it's in your interest that the UK is part of the EU, but no surprise to see on of Europe's great parasites holding such a view.
I have no interest in the UK being part of the EU. I, as most europeans wish for a swift brexit on your behalf.
Leave. Please.
6-7
Britain will be fine
EU doe will lose out
You personally may not, your country does though.
A strong 8.
We're going to have full market access (including financial passporting rights) with none of the Polish people. Meanwhile Boris Johnson is going to travel round the world, charming the natives into giving us unfettered access to their markets too.
I predict the 3rd industrial revolution and an export boom, with 100% of British people employed.
Rule Britainnia!
>Why would the Brexit campaign be pro-EU
I don't know, because it's false flag? It's you who said that open hostility towards non-UK EU citizens is not staple of brexit campaign. Recent attacks on Poles merely show what "independence" means to your chavs. Bless Cameron's and others' souls for speaking out against those at least.
>What makes you think there's a desire to forcibly remove EU citizens already here?
Some of the people who voted for brexit seem to believe in it.
uk.reuters.com
>Is this what your press have been claiming?
I don't know why you're so butthurt about our press, but our press mostly just tries to figure out what impact brexit will have on UK and EU and gives media space to range of opinions. Our government says it will during negotiations insist that our people can continue to live and work in UK though, and it's not unreasonable to expect that it will be a necessary prerequisite to allow UK access to the single market.
Can you explain why being in the EU is a good thing for Latvia, seeing as you country has a declining population as many of your people have fled elsewhere.
We don't benefit in the slightest from your government not being able to push the button.
Granted, they don't suffer as much as the pound does, but the euros in my pocket lose value because of the uncertainty. They'll stop losing value once you leave, so please. Either take a shit or stand up and put your pants back on.
2-3. Their decline into irrelevance will continue and mass immigration will not stop. Instead of Poles and Romanians they may get Paki doctors and nuclear physicists running fast food joints and working jobs they're overqualified for like in Canada and Australia. Britain will not get any whiter, the birth rate will not increase, Christianity will not be revived, feminism will not stop, and the British culture of innovation which died with the socialism of the post war period will not miraculously resurge either.
>Can you explain why being in the EU is a good thing for Latvia
EU is our largest trading partner. Only an imbecile would severe ties with his largest trading partner.
>It's you who said that open hostility towards non-UK EU citizens is not staple of brexit campaign.
Really? Where was this then?
>Some of the people who voted for brexit seem to believe in it.
A few believing in it and reality are two very different things. So same question again and maybe you can give a straight answer.
>I don't know why you're so butthurt about our press...
I'm not "butthurt" about anything. I'm merely trying to understand why you assume that EU citizens are going to be forcibly repatriated when this conversation does simply not exists amongst those in power. A logical conclusion would be your media, so can you confirm or deny that this is the case.
I think he was >implying that if you never joined EU in first place you would be a successful independent country like Belarus.
all nuclear powers will leave, resulting in germany throwing a tantrum and invading poland again (poland will still be in the eu at the time also). ww3 will start and germany will get btfo again.
>The future of the EU isn't dependant upon France and a referendum
A Franceless EU would have serious problems (eurozone dead, major roads closed, not even talking about EU institutions on our soil). You are irrelevant in the EU compared to us.
A referendum on the subject will never happen in France.
but isn't France quite eurosceptic? Or becoming increasingly so? They couldn't ignore the people forever, surely.
You benefit from open borders and the fifth largest economy putting into this project, what with you being an EU parasite.
I dare say had you and the other Eastern Euro nations not joined back in 03/04 and been nothing other than a drain, the UK would never have had a referendum and never voted to leave. So I thank you, Balticbro.
Oh, the rich non EEA/EU club of europe.
Imagine this, we could be as luxurious as Moldova.
Britain will surely benefit from joining the club countries like Albania are in.
>Immediate access to the Britain and Irish labour markets on joining the EU in 2004 was followed by a vast financial crisis that cut GDP by 18 per cent in 2009.
telegraph.co.uk
Neither Moldova nor Albania are in the EEA.
>>Really? Where was this then?
I can't be bothered to dig through latrine of Farage and Johnson's speeches, you'll have to do this yourself if you want to know and your confirmation bias will allow you to see it.
>A few believing in it and reality are two very different things.
Like with the billions for NHS? It did its job though.
>I'm merely trying to understand why you assume that EU citizens are going to be forcibly repatriated when this conversation does simply not exists amongst those in power
First, it's you who actually mentioned repatriation. My point was, from the start, that the new deal UK is gonna get will involve free movement of people from EU into UK at terms, at best (for you) of Cameron's stillborn deal.
It's also you who insists on deflecting the discussion to "muh proEU media"
Bottom line is the convicted brexit voters will be disappointed in how their decision has turned out.
>You are irrelevant in the EU compared to us.
Is this France in maximum damage control mode?
So why the scaremongering? Why doom and gloom from Hollande and co.?
Sorry, I misread. I can't really see us not having a relationship in the EU, but being in the EEA mean accepting most of the stuff we already had. Let's leave it up to our politicians to decide...
Of course they can't. The EU cannot quash the anti-Eu and nationalist sentiments that exist on the European mainland.
Damn, so many flavors yet you chose to be salty.
Housing bubble burst and people left. Not the other way around.
>Neither Moldova nor Albania are in the EEA.
That's the idea. You'll be joining the non EEA/EU club countries like Albania and Moldova are in as in. AKA not being in the EEA or EU club.
>My point was, from the start, that the new deal UK is gonna get will involve free movement of people from EU into UK at terms, at best (for you) of Cameron's stillborn deal.
It won't. Cameron got a bad deal because they didn't think we'd leave.
Tell you what is funny though, the constant talk about making an example of Britain even though they can't afford to.
They will stay in EEA even if it meant political suicide for tories as the kipper insinuated. Cost of doing anything else would be too high for the UK.
>I can't be bothered to dig through latrine...
Because never did I say these things, and you're a coward is the answer you're looking for.
>Like with the billions for NHS? It did its job though.
Nice strawman. Perhaps you can qualify your accusation with proof. No one on Vote Leave ever spoke about forcibly repatriating EU citizens. None of the pro-Brexit media spoke of it either. It was a conversation that never existed in the mainstream. So either you're lying, or have been duped by your press into believing this is the case. Which is it?
>that the new deal UK is gonna get will involve free movement of people from EU...
Until Art. 50 is triggered and negotiations take place, it is nothing but speculation at this point. Stop treating you press lies as facts.
I think you're too optimistic of UK's position in the negotiations, but we'll see. I myself am curious what the deal will end up being. But I think your politicians have enough brinkmanship for the time being.
Perhaps they show us they have some real balls and take back their freedom.
Salty about leaving the EU, when I voted to leave???
Lel. It's because of places like Latvia that anti-EU sentiment in the UK has risen over the past 10 or so years. So again, thanks.
Yes yes, you're right, £Leave campaign was completely Pole-friendly and 100% truthful.
I hope you're at least paid for this lad.
>You'll be joining the non EEA/EU club countries like Albania and Moldova
...and every other country in the world? I'm a remainer but I'm not sure what you're arguing here.
I voted remain and hope we do accept something similar to that. The thing is though we would still be paying monetary contribution, still following most EU regulation and still have to allow free movement. These were literally the main points of the Leave campaign. Maybe I'm not fully understanding the situations, but why would they ever accept that?
> I voted to leave
> because of places like Latvia
So you're blaming us for something you did?
fuck off mate
you made your bed, now sleep in it
The EU cannot afford to be severe when not only will it damage themselves, maybe more, but when the rest of the world, like China, India, USA, Canada and Australia have already offered reassurance over trade negotiations and deals.
The French people is partly Eurosceptic but there's not a single way to express it. The system is locked, much more so th n in Britain.
Because a Brexit means uncertainties and the possibility of a domino effect.
But a Frexit (or a Germexit) means the EU dies. We're much more invested in this venture than the UK.
Well I'm confident in the politicians that have been chosen to lead our negotiations. And I can say fairly safely they wouldn't allow something like free movement.
It's true we import a lot from the EU, and export a good amount too. But let's be honest. Who hurts more if we don't buy German cars? London will always be a huge centre for financial and legal services. Foods, well honestly right now it's cheaper for us to import lamb from New Zealand than buy Welsh lamb. It's all kinds of fucked up but I don't think we'll be hurt too bad.
I would miss chorizo though.
Again, more strawman arguments.
This must be the fifth, maybe sixth time I have asked now; provide proof of any conversation the mainstream media or Vote Leave had regarding the forceful repatriation of EU citizens.
Erm... no. Try not taking words I use out on context and then getting upset because you don't understand them. Leave that to the Czechchav.
>why would they ever accept that?
Because hopefully average leave voter will be satisfied with seeing less EU flags, and being thrown out of single market would hurt British corporations.
>..and every other country in the world?
We're talking about europe here.
Also, the EU is the largest trading partner of both US and China.
You really think they are going to risk hundreds upon hundreds of billions by cutting you a better deal?
I think UK will turn down single market access in order to protect the no more migrants promise of the Brexit.
I think the UK will have a regular old trade deal, and it will be as good as any country of their economic level.
There will be arrangements to protect UK and EU citizens from the consequences of the split, effectively protecting their current status.
The long term economic consequences for both entities will be negative. Who will suffer more is still unknown, but the UK would be my bet unless they get really good leadership.
I doubt EU will seize to exist in our lifetime, as continental euroscepticism is not the same brand of "tear it all down" euroscepticism the brits have.
EU does risk being forced to abandon centralization effort if things turn sour. On the upside it also has a chance to reinvent it self and I personally think the choice of the French people regarding their new president may decide the fate of the continent indirectly.