Why is Ukraine so poor?

Why is Ukraine so poor?

I mean, it's GDP per capita is lower that that of countries lie Brazil, Peru and Paraguay.

Also, WTF is wrong with Moldova?

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>Poortugal

>tfw GDP per capita of Ukraine and Poland in 1991 was almost the same

Richer than you.

Your map is outdated .Romania's gdp/capita is higher than Belarus or Bulgaria's (has not always been that way). Idk why that bothers me..sorry

Anyway regarding that,
Ukraine is even poorer than that nowadays,it's nominal gdp is almost the same as moldova's ,while the difference between the 2 in ppp value is of only 2k . The eastern ukraine war is still ongoing and the country is spending a lot of money on equipment and conscripting people(also taking a lot of young men out of the workforce which is fucking their economy even more)


Moldova's a whole different issue...huge corruption , legitimate poverty ...people joke a lot about "poor" european countries like romania ,bulgaria ,serbia , however we're only poor when you're looking at us from a "western world perspective" ...but when you're looking at global values we're not really poor (not first world either but not even close to the poor countries) ...moldova on the other hand

They should honestly just give up on transnistria and join with us while they still can , with ukraine on the pro-eu side...i don't really see any other option...moldova can't join the eu it'll never meet the standards...and even if they were given some kind of pass ...the eu standards on industry and agriculture would fuck their economy beyond return

>inb4 they want to union and the eu won't let us :d

>Why is Ukraine so poor?
Well, they at war, you shouldn't expect much more.

>poorer than lithuania

>Richer than Lithuania
>As rich as Portugal

Why cant they just defeat the rebels? Their army surely cant be THAT weak

Are you blind?

Meant Latvia sorry you guise names so similar desu

triggered

>Lituania
>Letonia
>Estonia
ARR
ROOK
SAME

Because the Rebels are Russian Soldiers you dumb cunt

goddam oilniggers

lies

But this map is from 2014.

The effects of the war were not taken into account yet.

What's up Putin

Then the question should have been "why was Ukraine poor then" instead of why is it now.

I am NOT Putin. There is literally no way that Vladimir Putin would be posting on int and you know that.

You do know that was irony,right?
But the Revolution happened beforehand

It wasn't. Russia is the main reason.

How can you be so sure of that? I'm pretty sure only Putin himself would such a thing.

IIRC the war started in March 2014.

Stats from a year are generally published the year after. As this map s from 2014, I'd say these stats are from 2013.

>old miners fucked ukrainian army without any help by old soviet military vehicles
Russian govs logic looks amazing

Not memeing now, but in all honesty how in the fuck do you manage to be poorer than Eastern European countries? Your economy was never wrecked by WW2 or communism and you've been mooching off the EU for literally decades.

>Why is Ukraine so poor?

Guess you're kidding.

Honestly,why the fuck is Albania so poor? It wasn't affected by the Yugoslav War,and it's almost as poor as Ukraine,which has to defend itself from fucking Russia.

I'm not. It's a pretty intriguing question, isn't it ?

>and you've been mooching off the EU for literally decades.
EU monies aren't as big as you'd think.

lmoa
>hurr durr Polish leeches
suddenly
>EU monies aren't as big as you'd think

russian army presence in ukraine is close to non-existent at this moment

Is this what they tell you on Russian TV? Honestly curious.

The other points still stand though.

>no communism
>Atlantic ports, naval bases, colonies
>received Marshall plan money despite not really fighting in WW2
>never had communism
>still poorer than Czechia, Slovakia, Slovenia and Lithuania

i dont know

But you live in Russia,you should know

manana mentality

>hurr durr
>Spaniards talk shit about POOltards
Not once have I talked shit about Poland in my life, and not once have I seen a Spaniard recriminating Poland for EU investment.
Yeah, I know, I was just pointing out the EU part. I don't really know what the core problem in Portugal is, though.

The core problem is that they aren't Spain. Shouldve annexed them while you still could

The core problem is that it's full of portugese

Maybe trying to mantain huge colonies and fighting wars in Angola and Mozambique took its toll on the economy

>average american education

i dont watch tv

People who visit Sup Forums usually don't watch tv. Myself included.

ENGLAND BTFO

>Also, WTF is wrong with Moldova?
Almost no resources to export other then wine and their young labourfources going to EU or Russia
Russia is partly blocking their exports and EU is not giving much shits about it
>There is literally no way that Vladimir Putin would be posting on int
Proofs?

according to IMF poland will be richer than UK in 8 years

>while you still could
We have tried and failed miserably, I think they deserve to stay separated.

I'm sure Putin doesn't only make Propaganda on TV

Yeah, I read something about Poles actually moving back to Poland, from the UK now, due to the prosperity.

Gladly we can still choose which news to read on the internet. For now at least.

>average Slovenian yearly salary

I heard something about some Putin-approved Law that will take away your Privacy,please redpill me on that

Corruption and no free market.

All the internet providers and mobile operators now obliged to collect all the messages and tape all the calls form every person and store it for at least three years.

how the tables have turned, maybe I should go to poland too now

1. Massive internal corruption.

Communism never ended. Massive corruption on scales you can't imagine.

2. Russia.

They exploit and control Ukraine and don't care if they don't develop. Just use their factories, naval bases and natural resources.

>diogenesdisgustedvisage.targa

Okay,so basically,its the same as in Germany, the only difference being that your Data are collected by the KGB and not the NSA.

Don't forget the eastern part, such as Donbass was actually the richest part.

Goddamnit,do all Ukrainians look the same? That girl on the left looks exactly like my Cousin

outdated image

...

Why is Cyprus not poor?
What am I looking at

>Why is Cyprus not poor?

It's a banking and tax haven for all kinds of mobsters and oligarchs, basically Switzerland of the Mediterranean.

Is she your cousin?

I don't think so,but the similarity is astounding.

>his """""""country"""""""" has a gdp/capita below $100,000

why even bother living?

>his """""""country""""""""" is smaller than my fucking bathroom
Why even bother living?

Your cousin is hot.

Yeah. I'm visiting her in a few weeks.

Hold up. I remember her
Goddamn she's all grown up now.

You should rescue her, and then marry her.

Fuck hour cousin bro do it

>MOORTUGAL
kek KEK

>40,756

the bantz make themselves

Rescue her from what? She lives in Odessa. No Ruskie Soldiers there
Not into Incest

Rescue her from the poverty of Ukraine.

Look at this poor girl. Every time she smiles the smiles are forced. The light is slowly going from her eyes. As a child all her smiles were real and genuine.

JUST

END IT

She doesn't really live in Poverty. You've obviously never been to Ukraine.


Also,what is this filename,user...

>Also,what is this filename,user...

She is of Syrian-Jewish ancestry.

I want to be able to buy meat every week like those pesky westerners too.

Ok, let's compare to a German city with a similar population.

>Luxembourg population: 556,000
>Luxembourg GDP/capita 103,110$

>Bremen population: 546,451
>Bremen GDP/capita: 53,379$

still a top jej

Well,the girl on the Picture might be,but my Cousin sure as hell isn't.

Pretty good.

FUCK

Git gud, loser

The GDP forecast for 2017-2020 sounds even more dire there, so dire I'm sceptical.

6538 -> 6024 -> 5404 -> 4953
tradingeconomics.com/forecast/gdp-per-capita-ppp

>Workers from neighbouring regions play a major role in Luxembourg's economy, both sustaining and depending on it. According to figures quoted in Le travail frontalier au sein de la Grande Région Saar-Lor-Lux (Cross-border labour in the Saar-Lor-Lux region), by economists Isabelle Pigeron-Piroth and Rachid Belkacem and published by Éditions universitaires de Lorraine, "They make up almost 44% of Luxembourg's workforce, outnumbering employees of Luxembourgish nationality (29.3%) and immigrant workers (27%)."

Your gdp per capita is inflated by commuters, the gdp per capita of people actually living in Luxembourg is far lower

This map is an enormous pile of BS.
Slovenia's richer than both Italy and Spain.

Whats so bad about eastern Europe legit question

>our econmoy is so productive that we need to import over a hundred thousand workers each day to power it

and this is a bad thing how?

t.Slovenia
Gommunism

No, i mean i know they are a bit poorer but is there really that much of a difference between the east and west

m8 luxembourg is a parasite state

Estado Novo was economically worse than communism. Read up on the dictatorship's economic policies - they were conservative agrarians who didn't want to educate the common people because then they might start thinking for themselves.

rip limburg

>thousands of brits move here to take advantage of high wages, good healthcare and low crime rates
>we're the parasite

nah lad

The economic system was inneficient, production was not based on demand, it was monstrously subsidized. Upon dissolution of the Soviet Union the states entered market economy where Western states already had their own exclusive means of production. They didn't need more countries to function. So entering that market with it's standards on industrialization and urbanization is nothing easy after 50 years have been wasted on another system with it's (lower) expectations.

Probably best moddest example on what to expect if there was no communism could be Finland.

>a bit poorer
Not just a little bit. The wages are 3 to 4 times lower. Even though westerners pay a lot of tax that may end up taking up to half of their wage (doesn't happen here) they still earn heavily more in the end.