Globalisation

Let's have a serious thread now.
Modern world is globalist. Capitalism has developed to the grade where it requires way more massive movement of goods, capitals, resources and people. Capitalism making world more and more global and looks like it's a natural pace of history.
But it causes great problems. Mass movement of people causes mass ethnic and religious tensions. Europeans hate immigrants and complain on int daily. Russians have problems with middle Asians incoming. Iranians have problems with Afghani immigrants. Americans complain about Mexicans. Arabs have problem with black people. Everyone everywhere in the world have issues with immigration and complain they are "being cucked".
So how can we have development without such a problems? It's what holding back modern world the mist I guess.

you can have movement of goods without movement of people

they are memeing
while it is true that europe did not prepare for the mass migration of millions of people so quickly its because they didn't care to follow their own rules about setting up control points, they are themselves victim of mass media in order to look good they decided to go the way of chaos and force private citizens to give up housing

globalism is not just inevitable conclusion to some capitalism thinking, it is the modern world, how you deal the immigration is not entirely forgone however, iceland is very much a part of the global market but they are stringent on immigrants, they were bankrupt too recently and they are doing okay

just because different countries have a better demographics control doesn't mean it's all powerlessly connected

It's globalist because we can get around to different parts of the globe very quickly now. I fear NWO, but it is inevitable and a natural progression. We are at a stage where we will colonize other worlds in the next 100 years. Countries will work together or stick their heads in the sand. It doesn't matter at this point.

Very interesting topic. Most are not aware that the United States historically had a different approach to immigration.

Today there's is just a constant flow of people in.

In the past there would be immigration waves. Only a certain amount would be let in at certain periods in history. This forced assimilation in a good way.

The problem I see most prominently is lack of assimilation which is caused by too many people too quickly. You aren't encouraged to assimilate when you have more and more of your old people surrounding you just in a new place.

In the past I feel we were a lot pickier about who we let in too. You had to demonstrate you had work or just demonstrate you were valuable in general.

American politicians now just pander to immigrant groups so they literally have no immediate incentive to not let hordes in that they can get easy votes from.

it's not a meme you idiot. not everything is a meme. someone has a legitimate concern "oh don't listen to them theyre just memeing". I legitimately hate Mexicans and I know a lot of Euros that legitimately hate their new immigrants. why the fuck do you think people voted Brexit?

It also has another threat.
Such a problems are easily used by populist politicians to get the power. In Russia anti-immigrant rhetorics are used widely by liberals to gain scores while they have no serious programs of reforms and are very pro-western.
In the West it's used by people like Trump or parties like PEGIDA, again just pure populism, but this time it's right wing populism which is really dangerous - I am not even talking about conservatism, religion and other identitarian shit they support doesn't fit to 21st century. They could destroy all the social progress in Europe and turn it into the harsh capitalist shithole with no social guarantees, no welfare, no free education and medicine - all that by using that rhetoric.

Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965, we preferred our immigrants from Europe and rarely took in 3rd worlders

old America is dead

they are memeing you trash compactor

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Well how is that our problem? There's no chance they can export these ideologies. Let them fuck themselves, their loss might as well be our gain.

>conservatism and identitarian politics has no place in 21st century

why? because you say so? because liberal progressives think they hold the key to the future? you're an idiot

Globalisation is pure cancer. It has destroyed local manufacturing, small countries are supposed to somehow "keep up" with bigger ones because we are compared on a global scale, the unstoppable greed and infinite expansion that the people in charge are after is simply not possible (see immigration/refugees, they want more people at all costs because they're terrified of low birthrates, on a planet that is overpopulated already we could have started to stabilize in Europe but since that lowers your countries income and productivity they can't have that), people are trying to come up with global solutions even though that is impossible and counterproductive, etc.
Fuck globalisation, my country could be self sustained and then import some things while still benefitting from tourism and exporting certain goods, why is that such a bad idea exactly?

Trump's wife was born in Slovenia. I'm pretty sure he is a wop / kraut admixture. He is against illegal immigration.

They were not unprepared, they urged mass immigration themselves back in 60s-70s when they needed workforce direly and when main bulk of European immigrant population came.
Also Iceland is irrelevant. They have very small economy and they are little island so they don't need more people. And even despite this I know Russian guy who moved there.
You literally had totally free immigration until 1920s and even after that your laws very pretty loose. And now you're impossible to move, your immigration laws are among the most strict in the world. It's way more strict in Europe too now. People are still coming to the West because you're a very attractive target so tons of people want to move to the West even despite your laws. And people are moving around the world now in a number unseen before and all the countries are making their immigration laws more strict, but people are still moving. It's a pure consequence if globalization of world.

Note that 7 billions is a population not seen before.

No, it's the problem.
1) West is extremely influential with their culture. Ideas and trends born in the West are spreading worldwide. For example anti-feminism of poltards has spread to 2ch even despite there are no feminists in Russia.
2) That would make their countries less stable and reduce their development - the West would contribute less to the rest of the world.
Also I am not talking about the West only. I am talking about the whole world and I guess such a topic can be used by all irresponsible politicians worldwide, both left and right. In Russia those are liberals, in Czechia those are commies (as far as I remember), in the West those are rightists.
Because I live in Russia and I see clearly how this shit holds back our country.
You may call in cancer, but it's inevitable as far as we can see. It's a natural development of capitalism, it was predicted by Marx in 19th century. And your country is not that bad in globalization.
Think better about Congo or Ukraine whose economies are destroyed with free trade agreements with the West - their goods lose competition and they are becoming cheap provider of workforce and resources with little chance to get developed until someone would invest there.

> it requires massive movement of people
bullshit
Capitalism can sustain without mass immigration and >muh diversity.

while it is true that there is a labor shortage it is the brain shortage that hurts
in a rich society native workers are more likely to demand higher wages than imports this is true in china as well so often industries move overseas

there is a simple way to eliminate migration problems but his would mean putting proceeds from taxes to educating people and moving towards automation which will cost companies and service industry a lot of money

1. the government does not collect all of the business taxes it can
2. can't force industries to automate instead of relying on cheap labor
3. can't make more money off of robots but can from rollovers and 401k and other retirements accounts and investments
4. it's cheaper to just move skilled work overseas and import the worthless jobs

people don't just make money from labor you know, this is not the 19th century, debt and the accumlation of debt, payment on interest and so forth makes money, foreign labor helps in this process

>It's a natural development of capitalism
Capitalism is also cancer, it may work in theory but in practice it's despicable. And I say that from a country that, as you said, is actually doing pretty okay.

Yes, of course. And that population is urged to move way more because of economical processes. In Russia 75% of youths wants to move abroad according to recent polls. World inequality creates dramatic difference between life qualities in different countries, and world division of labor market creates the situation when the job you would like to have would likely be in other country. I am mechanical engineer myself and there is little job for me in Russia so I would like to move to Germany or USA because there are many jobs for my education.

> Capitalism has developed to the grade where it requires way more massive movement...of people.

Yeah the movement of people from rural areas to the city. It's called the industrial age. It doesn't require a movement of people from one country to another.

The modern movement of third worlders to wealthy and now de-industrialized countries is meant to destroy nation states or whatever is left of them and to inflate real estate prices.

It can't. Let me explain you. Capitalist economies look for new resources all the time and include the whole world in the capitalist circle jerk in the end. Than it becomes obvious for capitalists that some industries are better to be located in one countries, and other in the others. So world labour division is created. People now have to move abroad to find the job they like. Also workforce and brains are becoming goods too and sold at the world job market.
>it may work in theory
It works since 18th century in the West. Of course capitalism is shit, but as long as we have no predicaments for a new socioeconomic formation we have to deal with capitalism.
You can't automate brains and in capitalism capitalist would always use the most efficient way to perform. Cheap workforce is easier to use than automation. Also you can't automate all the jobs.

What I say, mass immigration is inevitable. Stopping it is impossible and would hold your country back. Not the immigration should be destroyed, but the national tensions. How could we make it?

Read about world labor division, and I've written a lot about it in this thread. Also immigration from third to second world is an issue for you but actually all the world have immigration issues, 3rd worlders move to 3rd and 2nd world too, 2nd world moves to 2nd and first world too etc.

>People now have to move abroad to find the job they like.
This only applies to specialists. Nobody is going to move to China to work at the world's factory.

>the national tensions
doesn't come from immigration per se but from the rich and poor divide and enclave and so forth, it's not so black and white with social balance

technically on a global scale western countries, even though they scream their lungs out, are doing much better than say africa or india or china with different demographics living close togather, the various religious revenge gang killings in india, the mistreatment of migrant workers in china and the middle-east, and the genocidal massacres in africa are basically all apart of the same problem.

I don't need to read anything you wrote in this thread. I know exactly what is happening in Canada and the US. Neither country needs people because there is no real labour for the masses here except in the housing and food "industries."

>Countries will work together or stick their heads in the sand.
There is a third alternative.

There is probably a forth and fifth alternative as well, but they wont be permanent. I refuse to believe we will nuke ourselves into oblivion.

Was colonisation of the New World cooperative of competitive?

There's at least 1 meme in here...
MIGRATION IN MEXICO IS NEGATIVE
It's fucking been negative for close to a DECADE now...
Not that anyone in the US involved in the debate, on either side, has cared to notice for what are suspiciously self serving reasons...

And this is all a part of the idiocy, the inability to react to events as they occur. the FACT is no economy grows with an aging, shrinking population, leaving outside liberal sensibilities it means adjusting to a lower living standard and a reduced role in the world stage are the only ways to prevent massive immigration for economies whose economic models have come to relie on abundant low cost labor, in the very specific case of America, what would be considered below living wages and otherwise unacceptable working conditions, Ultimately taxpayers will be forced to pick up the tab for the services used by workers not getting paid sufficiently which means postponing real action on immigration, largely paralyzed and postponed by polarized political debate, actually benefits the corporations.

I'm not for massive migration, it hurts enormously the economies of source countries, in my country it's served as an escape valve to long delay political change, it's also brought disastrous cultural changes with manyn now internalizing an identity as a "global minority" despite living in their own countries. Further we are at the time undergoing demographic transition, meaning we no longer reproduce at replacement rate, all the people lost in their prime producvtive years severely cripple our economy in ways the pittance of remitances is very far from making up for...

Russian industry is dying and many workers would like to move abroad to work as a lathe master again, for example.
Class struggle is contrary to national and religious tensions usually. Poor white people are often racist to poor black people even if they are basically share same interests etc. It's even more retarded with religious tensions. Of course West is performing the best of all the countries in the world but the problems are face both by the West and all the other countries.
Lol, I rarely see such a pure denial phase.
First of all, as a guy who sees Canada as a possible target for his immigration, you need engineers and workers for industry (I guess locals prefer learn humanitarian things), and tons of Pajeets, Changs and Ivans are coming to your country every year and get good jobs. Canada is a huge country being colonized, and of course you need many workers and specialists to do it.

>Class struggle is contrary to national and religious tensions usually
They combine

Of course, that's what I am talking about. All the countries have these troubles now. Do you know that people are moving to Mexico now from Africa, for example, or other 2nd world countries? There were few guys on 2ch/em who has moved to Mexico or other Latin American countries.

What do you mean? Here in Russia most of Russians and Caucasians are both poor as fuck but they hate each other and it's used easily by the government to fool people. For example they have accepted very repressive laws with control of the internet but while they were preparing it they have started mass debates over the name of fucking bridge in Saint Petersburg which was called after the name of father of current head of Chechnya. I bet in USA it's something like that: black poorfags and white poorfags don't get along and shit on each other over every issue while rich people silencing calls for free medicine and education and other social issues with bullshit like Black Lives Matter, white nationalist movements, feminism and other identitarian bullshit.

The problem is inherently that there are places so much better off that national pride, and a sense of belonging are cast aside for the promise of a better life.

The problem is then passed onto the first world countries when they make their borders more open.

I really have no solution, i'm just here to state the obvious.
Fix the third world or something, but then again that would require socialism on a global scale, which would be a nightmare.

while it is true that these bs things don't do anything they are for the most part self-movements

blm is not an invention of the rich, if they had it their way it would be made irrelevant a long time ago, we all know that the shooters arn't a part of it, why would they snipe if they were a part of it. rationally blm to these shooters are apologist and must have not seemed to change anything much like you are thinking so they believe in order to deliver the message they have to shoot cops but they don't care if blm then would seem like a meaningless thing due to the violence that came with it

blm is just an outlet to try to force some debate about the extra policing of black neighborhoods and some violence used on black peoples, deserving or not, it is closely related to poverty because those places are always very poor, unlike most other identity bs this is a proper social issue

the thing about transgender use of toilets and the use of pronouns is misdirection and a waste of time but these things are a larger issue to not doing things that needs to be done, why are so many people changing their sex and why is individuality such a big thing this is directly related to marx, capitalism requires and needs a method of grievance for the masses, in his time he said religion was such a thing nowadays that's no longer the case but the people must give voice to their sighs, and the rich elites know that and they make money and gain political power from it

We don't accept migration from Muslim countries, Africa or India, it's actually easier for them to move to the US... Officially we enforce positive discrimination which means we make it easier for countries with historic ties such as in Latin America or Western Europe, our largest expat community is Americans at over 1 million, but migration in recent years has come chiefly from Argentina and Spain, we do discriminate against Central American and Caribean countries despite this, citing economic reasons. In effect Mexico has a mostly white only policy we run very discreetly, even SJWs kind of steer clear from that concentrating on treatment of migrants in transit to the US. In all fairness we have been acomodating to Guatemalan Native Americans so it isn't like we discriminate against our own. I kinda approve of this DESU, the Saudis have tried to fund efforts to convert indigenous Mexicans, which is against our laws but fortunately they didn't get more than a few hundred, the few Muslims here are basically the people around the diplomatic missions of those countries, we do have more than a few Arabs but we only took Maronite Catholics from Lebanon/Syria in the early 20th century.. Yes we do get some blacks, mostly from Brasil, Cuba and the US but overall they're still rare enough people can't help staring, our own native blacks are 1% but they've assimilated to th extent they think of themselves as Mexicans first, you mostly only find them in a few small regions. The largest group outside our region we do take in is East Asians, and mostly Koreans and Japanese.

It may come off as racist but it really isn't a supremacy thing, we just have this understanding of trying to avoid creating minorities, we already have our own indigenous people we are trying to integrate without destroying their traditions and the rest of us, including whites, simply think of ourselves as Mexicans. Is common sense really, we can't afford it...

Only your white's countries are for Globalism.
Japan, China and other asian countries try to maintain our respective cultures and traditions,
You, fools countries are saying “Multiculturalism” and make your own country unattractive.

What does it have to do with Saudi Arabia and conversion, I'm talking about immigration. Also I've read statistics that Mexico is seen as an easier to get alternative to the US in many sub Saharan Africa countries.
Malaysia imports people massively, for example, as well as Singapore. You don't know what you're talking about, there are many white people in Korea and they spread Christianity there, many white people in China and just TONS of whites, especially Russians, in Thailand. Japan is the only Asian country with small immigration and even you are taking more and more Bangladeshis now. Also there are many Indians and Chinese in SEA. No one can resist to globalism, it's a natural stage of capitalism.