Why is discussing him in the US a taboo subject?

Why is discussing him in the US a taboo subject?

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because russia(an eternal enemy of the west) was the first country to apply his ideas into practice.
t. mexican intellectual

Imperial Russia was historically our ally.

Because he is a retard whose economic theories were literally disproven and laughed about many times

lenin was the architect of the russia revolution

yeah and later you started demonizing him

and what would that be

Because no one has actually read any work on him and associate him with the soviet union.

Literally all of them

name one that wasn't moronic

Because of the Cold War, basically.

his ideology is dangerous

his followers have brought many once decent societies and countries to their knees

it isn't worth tolerating

>russian empire
>decent

interestingly economists do not disagree with marx notion of labor theory value or his ideas about fetishism

The one that over production would lead to an economic crisis.

That's pretty text book and he's one of the first to come up with that.

Why don't you name an actual economic theory of his?

Hardmode: you're not allowed to use the word communism.

it was on the right track and surely would have resulted in something that was better than the starving, genocidal shitty of the USSR

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revolutions are always bad in the beginning but they weren't starving later on after the war

"Lasalle, that Jewish Nigger"

What did he mean by this?

you're forgetting that one little tidbit about 11 million Ukrainians starving to death

because your governmnt don't want people to get influenced by him, no matter if he was worng or not

I didn't

Fetishism isn't an economic theory.

Fun fact: Yanis Varoufakis, Greece's ex minister of finance, is marxist.

>interestingly economists do not disagree with marx notion of labor theory value

Uh yes they do.

Explain then why a painting by a famous artist made in under 10 hours can be worth millions of dollars while building a desk from scratch is barely a hundred?

that wasn't directly after the revolution

it was later and a product of Marxism's failure

according to that webm about reals vs feels, he didnt pass peer review and was lazy

not it wasn't, marx did not say to collect all the food from ukraine so you can starve them during the famine

this is the same reasoning as blaming mercantilism for the potato famine, it must be because of failure of the mercantile system that cause the death of all those irish who had to give up all their food to meet quota

>interestingly economists do not disagree with marx notion of labor theory value

>interestingly economists do not disagree with marx notion of labor theory value

LITERALLY:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticisms_of_the_labour_theory_of_value

the famine is a lie :0)

What? We discussed him in my fucking public high school.

i am sure that they said, that stalin was not a real communist

marxist economists don't count

Mercantilism was universal, the potato famine was a result of deliberate British corruption

famine is no stranger to Marxist systems, Cuba, Mao's China, now Venezuela, it's the same story

people can't micromanage that scale of society and economy and that kind of foolishness gets millions of people killed

I have no respect for any modern idiot who thinks Marxism is still a feasible model

if you need capitalism to get to communism, why didn't russia try capitalism right away?

Really? Which where the reactions/positions?

venezuelan crisis was cause by sanctions, sorry to break your bubble

>Marx did not say to collect all the food from Ukraine so you can starve them

childish counterargument, the point is one central government can't effectively manage resources at national scale and it results in famine

Yes, actually. We discussed him in my high-school economics, government, and sociology classes.

I don't remember all of them since it was so long ago, but it was mostly the standard, "he had some good ideas but they can't really work in reality" stuff.

Ah yes, the other common retort. "It's because no one will trade with them >:(("

They can't even compete with the global market because their stupid fucking government won't let their businesses make crucial capitalist decisions

every fucking time

Hello answer this

Explain the labor theory of value to me.

If corn is easier to harvest now than 200 years ago, is the corn worth less because of less labor going into it?

It was just high-school man. You can't really expect for them to break down exactly where Marxism-Leninism, Stalinism, and Orthodox Marxism all diverge and what the ramifications are.

>using totalitarian communism as an example of why Marx was wrong
Shig.

youtube.com/watch?v=dgMQh4YbTEA

>Muh brand of communism is the REAL ONE, it jus hasn't been tried yet! I'm sure if we try it one more time it'll all work this time and not face the issues of every previous attempted implementation

it is ALWAYS the end game

fucking surprise, when you centralize power heavily, some strong man finds his way to it

No it just hasn't been tried correctly

This time we'll somehow have a perfect utopia, other times were all just flukes. One more try, cmon.

First we need to just trust some central authority figure to re-distribute all the wealth the evil richfags hoarded

Regardless of whatever Marx intended, communism has been forever and permanently tainted and linked with Stalin, Mao, and Pol Pot just as white nationalism will be connected with Hitler until the end of time.

We have to try again, even if you are joking

It will definitely work this time somehow people will stop being selfish and pursuing their individual needs and will all work as one big happy family, brothers and sisters free of capitalism and raycism

Marxism was already an outdated theory by the 1920s.

This, I hear it time and time again. Apparently there's 400 types of communism and the only reason it hasn't worked before is because this type hasn't been tried or that type hasn't been tried.....

The question I really want to ask everyone is this. What is it about communism or socialism that draws the most support from people that have never personally experienced it? What is it about communism that makes you want it so badly? What is this priceless gain you see from it?

Because "muh it solves every problem and it sounds pretty good on paper to someone who never took Econ101"

I also love all the "Oh Stalin? Nah he wasn't a good communist... yeah all those guys were just bad communists"

The only useful function of communism has been to bootstrap backward-ass societies like Central Asia and some parts of Eastern Europe. When it was imposed on an already developed country like Czechoslovakia, the results were pretty bad.

it may never work but we have to try

>it may never work but we have to try

Why? Why should we try

Hey Jew,
(((Marx))) is dead,
Give up on globalism,
Remember to let Hitler into your heart,
And then we can start to make it better.

But it isn't?

or be a part of the machine

How would your supposed utopia be different and how do you intend to implement it?

There's that strange notion in the USA that sharing is evil.
So, americans would rather have politicians and big companies steal their wealth.

Nazi=National Socialist :^)

As dubious as communism might be, the fact that it's outright taboo in the US is because of the Cold War.

>So, americans would rather have politicians and big companies steal their wealth

>Politicians
Agree, fuck the government and politicians are parasites

>Big companies stealing wealth
[CITATION NEEDED]

Companies get big by providing people with value.

>There's that strange notion in the USA that sharing is evil

By the way, sharing is done voluntarily.

if you steal from people by threatening to put them in jail that's no longer sharing, that's theft

Americans have disliked socialism since the 19th century. Grover Cleveland chose to put Labor Day in September instead of May 1 like most countries because of its association with socialism.

I am figuring it out but it doesn't involve killing people

Marx was a part of high school curriculum for most people, you know.

>I am figuring it out but it doesn't involve killing people

Describe how this society would function.

Describe how you intend to re-distribute the wealth without using force

Describe what you will do when what's depicted in pic related happens to u

Yeah, even the regimes after Stalin tried to bury those times faster than a cat burying shit.

Still have no problem keeping statues of him up though..

it's not about redistribution through force either

it is about having a post scarcity system before post scarcity

and making things that doesn't break on purpose and things that have physical value instead of theoretical potential value

Indeed. They're the useful idiots who will all be purged when the revolution comes, just as Stalin purged all the real communists in Russia.

>and making things that doesn't break on purpose and things that have physical value instead of theoretical potential value

Explain to me what gives things value.

What is "physical value"? What the fuck does that even mean, how is it determined

it fucking means that a fucking brand of one fucking thing should not fucking cost a lot more than another fucking same thing of another brand, it is fucking determined by some fucking feeligns about the worth of the fucking brand loyalty or some fucking consumerism propaganda shit like commercials with fucking pretty people or fuck
damn

>it fucking means that a fucking brand of one fucking thing should not fucking cost a lot more than another fucking same thing of another brand

Why shouldn't it cost more? If you don't want it you don't have to buy it

Ever heard of supply and demand?

>it is fucking determined by some fucking feeligns about the worth of the fucking brand loyalty or some fucking consumerism propaganda shit like commercials with fucking pretty people or fuck

How do you intend to fix this problem?

>It should not cost more
Why should people not have the freedom to spend their money as they wish?

Oh, I'm well aware of the general American dislike of Socialism prior to WW2, especially the Red Scare of 1919-1920, but socialism was at least accepted in name in some places such as Milwaukee until the Cold War.

it's not, he came up in maybe half my college classes.

I had a revelation. Is it me or is there a connection between inexperienced support of communism and nice guy syndrome?