Germany- A few queries about living and studying there

Hello Sup Forums.
As you can see from my flag, I'm from India and I am looking forward to study in Math or Computer Science in German Universities.

But you all know how it has been there lately. With rising tensions about the entire immigration and refugee thing and the growth of people hating on these refugees or immigrants and even neo-Nazism to some extent. Probably this is the best or the worst time to ask this, now that there's the Munich shootings.

Here's the thing. I hope fellow Sup Forums guys can answer my queries. Especially Germanons. :)

1. How's the condition there about the whole resentment against immigrants and refugees. And when they say immigrants, do they mean the Syrian refugees exclusively or immigrants overall. (people from all other countries.)

2. Do Asians, such as people from India, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc. get similar hate from Germans? In other words, what racism might I face, if there is any.
Heard in some places that there is a subtle amount of discrimination against immigrants, especially brown-skinned people, although I don't know if they'd really care about a casual Indian.

3. Living costs for an average student.

4. Top Universities for my said subjects in your opinion.

5. Working there to earn a bit of extra cash.

6. Process of naturalisation/ gaining citizenship. Yeah I look forward to stay there as well. :)

I hope you all can answer my questions.
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>2
You might get mistaken for a sandnigger, us east asians don't have that problem

I am sure he skipped China on purpose

-OP-
Yeah. That is kinda my concern. When I'm neither a muslim or any sort of extremist.

>Japan, Vietnam, Taiwan

Kek

>An Indian studying computer science

Do your people actually do anything else at all?

No hate for Chinese btw.

95% of the stuff I use are made by those lovely people.

Mathematics, apparently.

Yeah we all study other subjects but people who pursue those are content with universities in India only.

Unlike the stereotypical view one might have about India, it's true to an extent. Everyone is either a Doctor or an Engineer or a fucking disgrace.

Although, Math is my top priority.

I know it's fine

As long as you try to learn the language I think it'll get some hate off your back

No other subjects interest me.

Either that or not bothered about continuing for a university/college degree.

Yes I got a couple of friends from Germany and also am taking classes to learn German. Only have progressed a bit.

And it's a beautiful language in my opinion.
Pain in the ass too.

1. It's about mudslimes
2. No, people who actually contribute something are alright to anyone. Even those who dont, apparently get accepted by the regressive left, which seems to be an overwhelming majority nowadays.
3. Depends, on the city. The larger ones are expensive af. For example Munich.
4. Since you're searching for MINT subjects, just search for universities with "TU" as prefix (Technical University) like the already mentioned in Munich or Darmstadt.
5. Is that a question? Well you can/should do that
6. Again what the question here? Part of Immigration is learning the language, thats something you should totally do, as soon as possible. But as I said, if you're not a lazy fuck and actually do something, I couldn't think of any substantial obstacle for your "Process of naturalisation"

That's fine, although having Studied Comp Sci as my main subject during my first year of University I can tell you right now that it was one of the most boring subjects I have ever studied in my life, so I'd personally recommend Mathematics over it.

I would not be opposed to Indians in the slightest bit. You should learn German though if you're gonna stay here for good.

Also pls bring Indian food, it's delicious.

Apologies for being unclear.

About work I wanted the details of how the work is for an international student because I have heard there are certain limitations. And what kind of work should a student opt for?

Thank you for rest of your input. :)
I appreciate it.

Really? I thought programming and coding or Artificial Intelligence is massively interesting.

keeping an eye on this thread desu because I might do my postgraduates in germany

Yes I'm at learning German. Trying my best.
Have a lot of apps and also a teacher for it.

Yeah, thing is Indian food is just too rich and kinda makes your journey to the toilet next morning very stressful.
But it's delicious and If I make friends, I'd love to cook them some dishes. (I can cook. yeah.)

1. Varying. Less resentment in big cities, more resentment in the east. Mostly muslims.

2. No, but you might be mistaken for Paki or other brown muslims depending on your looks. Don't think you'll have too much trouble tho

3. Rent in my city starts at 300€ for a room or 370€ for a single room flat, but my city is expensive (Heidelberg). Expect less in the east
You'll need about 300€ a month for living additionally and about 200€ a semester for fees

4. Computer Science: KIT in Karlsruhe

5. Ok

6. LEARN GERMAN, and learn it to fluency. You won't have chances getting a job otherwise. We also have almost no uni courses in English.

If you're gonna live here, at least make sure to know the language. I mean you can get along with just English, but you won't have that big of a social circle without German.

An Indian speaking German is pretty sweet if only for novelty's sake.
An Indian fluent only in English is just another Indian.

So do yourselves a favor and learn German. It's not as hard as people make it out to be.

>1. How's the condition there about the whole resentment against immigrants and refugees. And when they say immigrants, do they mean the Syrian refugees exclusively or immigrants overall. (people from all other countries.)

It varies greatly from rural to urban areas. Many people are getting pissed, but most of us simply dont know how to deal with this whole situation.

>2. Do Asians, such as people from India, Japan, Malaysia, Vietnam, Taiwan, etc. get similar hate from Germans? In other words, what racism might I face, if there is any.
Heard in some places that there is a subtle amount of discrimination against immigrants, especially brown-skinned people, although I don't know if they'd really care about a casual Indian.

Yeah, racism does happen. But in most of the big cities, it will be your smallest problem. There is quite a bit of violence in towns like Berlin or Hamburg, but it isnt aimed specifically at migrants. Its rather induced by them. On the countryside though...

>3. Living costs for an average student.

Approximately 800€/month

4. Top Universities for my said subjects in your opinion.

Im interested in that myself, actually.

>5. Working there to earn a bit of extra cash.

There are many possibilities to do that.

>6. Process of naturalisation/ gaining citizenship. Yeah I look forward to stay there as well. :)

I have no idea how the situation will develop, to be honest.
But in general, for qualified workers, it should be pretty managable. I dont have exact information on that, Im afraid.

I'd be happy if it's of some help to you as well. :)

I'm working on that really. :)

Well, toilets are readily availabe over here so that shouldn't be an issue.

Which Bundesland would you choose to live in? Narrow it down to a city if you're comfortable doing so.

I mean u can just tell this nigga is gonna be a good immigrant one day.

>smart
>stem field
>determined to learn German and the German culture
>good sense of humor

But he'll likely never see a German passport. Why? Because Germans make special concessions to make immigration easier for Syrian shit stains, and harder for legitimate immigrants

Such is life I guess

I see. My main obstacle is rent it seems.


Thank you a lot for your input. ^^

Yeah. Decided to study in Germany in the start of 2015 and all the shit came down.

All odds began to pop up and that's why I'm so concerned in going there now. Ugh.

Not sure if I am the right person to ask this, I dont know that much about limitations for foreigners, but what I can tell you is:
To Work is often needed and it doesn't give that much money as it used to. You will eventually find yourself in a 450€ job, which is horrible, but as a student sometimes inevitable.
What you can do, is for example working at a gas station or in a super market

I see.

Thanks. :)
I guess if I don't cause trouble and am overall friendly, I'll be fine.

And in accordance to all other comments, I believe racism is there to an extent in East Germany.

Although who am I to say.
>Is from the country ranked as one of the most racist

Don't be afraid of our poop shelf toilets, they look a bit strange to foreigners.

Personally the subject didn't challenge me that much, AI is probably interesting, but you're going to end up slogging through basic programming in order to reach the more interesting fields at the end (Which I can't guarantee are even that interesting, as I haven't studied them). I will say that if you enjoy the satisfaction of completing a project and seeing the fruits of your labor you may get a kick out of it.

It just wasn't very challenging for me on the conceptual level, I guess, so I just ended up getting bored.

Oh.

I guess it's related to the talks about how Indians have the ability to shit anywhere.
Truth to be told, I'm bewildered about it myself.

Mostly happens in rural areas and villages.

Cities and alike mostly have toilets like these installed. From schools to shopping malls.

So I'd be barely surprised. Lel.

I really could never understand that.
>it's so water doesn't bounce on your ass
Well that's why people always put a layer of toilet paper first.

it's for examination of fecal matter

I think I'd probably keep on focusing on math then.

If CS is really that boring.
Boredom is probably my worst enemy after stupidity.

Don't you hate when the water splashes on your butt after you drop a Hiroshima and a Nagasaki?

I prefer the region around Stuttgart.


I have friends there.

Heidelberg mentioned!

I'm an American studying in Heidelberg and it may be a little more expensive but it is definitly worth it here. It's different than most cities I think in such a good way.

I'm not sure about you German user, but Heidelberg has a good amount of English classes. Maybe a foreigner who knows where to look can find more. Now whether that translates to many English classes about Computer programming I'm not sure.

Also the language thing, yes learn it but be prepared to talk in English. My German is decent, enough to have a good converaation with someone but still with some difficulties and slowness. However, many many times I try to talk to people in German they automatically talk to me back in English it's super annoying one of my Pet peeves. So what you will have to do is if this happens, dominate them. If they keep speaking to you in English,speak to them in German. I have about a 60-40 percent Win rate

I was thinking of quitting my NEETdom, getting a job, studying German, and flying over to Germany as well for education. The problem is all the refugees. I was also thinking about Switzerland, but I heard is it very pricy to live over there. Is this true?

What is boring to one is usually interesting to another. Check it out yourself.

Also, there's a couple niche applied computer science majors, for example Computational Linguistics (CS + Math + Linguistics, you've got a headstart in that one because you speak other languages I guess) or Bioinformatics or Medical informatics or such.

I've lived in HD all my life and I love my city.
I'm not actually a student (I tried studying CoLi but dropped out after half a year), but I often hear about foreign students missing English classes, so that's what I wrote about.

Is English really that okay?

Yeah I'm trying to learn German but I can't really get absolutely fluent like an average German so soon, including my other studies here in India.

Yeah, cost of living in Swiss is decently high.


I can assure you that.

That seems pretty decent.

Yeah I speak other languages, although they are native to India. The only foreign language I've learnt so far is German.

>Japanese too but I'm not a weeb. Papa Franku taught me that. C:

>1.
A few people are pretty furious about it especially in rural regions in the east. These are people who are hit hard by economic crisis and think that the government should rather take care of them, instead of those dirty foreigners. In theory they do not hate you (PEGIDA and stuff is all about middle east) but they are unable to distinguish indians from pakis from turkish etc. However, you will never go to these regions and hence never see them.
In larger cities, there is only a small amount of racists and these will usually avoid you on their own, so you will be fine.
>2.
The whole discrimination thing gets greatly exaggerated especially on Sup Forums and on the media. If there is discrimination I would say its mainly against people who look like they are from middle eastern countries and dress/behave like thugs. But i have never seen anybody being kicked out of a store or being insulted on the streets or anything.
>3.
It depends on the city and if you get a place in a college dorm or not.
>4.
Karlsruher institut für Technologie
Technische Universität München
RWTH Aachen
>5.
If u have a student visa, u can take student jobs as long as u are enrolled in a university
>6.
First u get a student visa for ur studies. Then u get a job search visa for 18 months (" If they complete their studies successfully, foreign nationals can extend their residence permit for up to 18 months in order to seek employment relevant to their qualification whilst here in Germany"). I havent checked how it goes further desu

Ah I see. Maybe for me my study abroad program here has the list of all the English classes so it's easy pickings for us. Maybe also because they rely on the English classes. I only took one English class and the others were in German so English classes were not a prioty for me.

They pretty much all speak English here. Much better than some other places in Europe I've been too. But with that being said, you still should learn the language then people will see that you are actually trying to fit in. Also a quick sugestion, where ever you go, apply for a German Tandem Partner. I have one and it's been great. That will be a sure fired way to improve your German even quicker

Thanks a lot mate. :)


About-
>1.
To be honest my greatest concern is being considered as one of the refugees/ turks and be hated like them. I mean, my skin is obviously not white and neither I look like your typical Indian you'd find on a google image search. Yeah, thanks to a Russian link in my heritage.

I'm pale Yellow with tanned skin. Although I don't think that'll help me from being separated from the ones subjected to hatred.

Friends in Germany say I have to rev up my clothing game so that I don't get allotted to that. And I'll just be fine. And also my proficiency in speaking German itself.

I've done a decent research about the living and other stuff. And thanks to you guys it's even more clear.

Just my main insecurity was about number 1 and 2.

Love that country desu.
Rich history, fine culture and can totally gain respect. Just the rising rightist hatred against immigrants had me worried.

A tandem partner? Let me search into the details. Damn.

Also known as a Language Partner. Heidelberg has it so I assume other univerties also have a similair program

A question: Have you seen any Indians or Asians in places.
Schools, Colleges, Parties, Meetings, anywhere?

Or if you are friends with any.

(Just a curious question.)

Indians not so many. They run the Indian Shops and you'll see some Here and there on the street but not a terrible amount. There are a ton of Asians though. Many Chinese come here to study. I think one statistic I heard was that there are about 15% foreign students here and 10% of them are from China.

>4. Since you're searching for MINT subjects, just search for universities with "TU" as prefix (Technical University) like the already mentioned in Munich or Darmstadt.
>TU Munich
fuck off, we're full

Haha.

Then what do you prefer other than those.

ألمانيا للعربين

People won't hound and flog you in the streets if that's what you think. What you have to ask yourself is if this is truly the path to go, because it will take a toll on your well being.

You'll find that it will be hard to make friends, despite being in the relaxed environment of a university. Most people already have well established friend groups making it almost impossible to make close friends with the German students. It's not like in America where you have a bunch of kids moving away from home at the same time.

You'll end up hanging out with other international students, and won't think much of it for a while. But then the creeping realization that people doesn't really view you as an individual will come, you'll feel stressed and exposed constantly. If you were what people think of as Asian it would be different, but because you're brown you'll be lumped into the same category as the arabs and the blacks.

People supposedly doesn't mind someone who adds to society, but when you meet them on the streets all they'll see is just another brown guy.

And be prepared to have drunk people mimic your accent and laugh at it.

Best of luck to you.

...

Friends? Oh. I'm least bothered about that. I know how to socialise and observe how the human mindset works and act accordingly.

Already made around 7-8 friends there, where 5 are Germans. (Visited them once.)


Oh, if you're talking about an Indian accent when it comes to English, sure. I mimic it myself and joke about it. Although my normal way of speaking English is vastly similar to American accent, if it's not that clear from my texts.

>being lumped into Arabs and Blacks because I'm brown.

Sure. If I decide to dwell in the East.

Doubt the rest cares.
Anyway. Will take note to your opinion.
What I can make out of it is that social life there is totally on my hands and how I work to build it.

Refugees arent that hated. pol is not real life. Most people think positive of refugees. There are a shit ton of people voluntarily helping them every day.

Probably media outlets, Facebook posts and Sup Forums or rightists flocking everywhere isn't that true when it comes to real life.

For example most of the outsiders know about India that we totally defy physics in our movies and have mandatory dancing, rape 24/7 and people littering and shitting everywhere.
Along with a crap-load of IT and Tech Support with a shitty accent.

Apart from the last point I can assure you all of the rest barely scratch the actual surface. It's different than how others are shown.

Probably it's the same case happening with me in terms of Germany. That's the basic reason of this post.
To take input directly from Germans in this site.

>pol is not real life
true, but neither is facebook

there are a ton of people who silently hate on them but don't blurt about it on twitter

I'd say it's more like 50/50

>Although my normal way of speaking English is vastly similar to American accent,

disgraceful 2bh

As far as this thread has come across, I think the 50% of the people who look at the immigrants in a bad way are just talking about the refugees and in some occasions, Turks.
Not immigrants in an overall. :)
Like yeah there are neo-nazis that hate everyone, but who cares about those roaches.

Sad honestly. Both sides have their points.
Rejecting war-torn innocents on the other hand having vermins crawl in your home as well. It's just disgusting how some can take advantage of help like this.

And that hate is quite justified if you think about it.

British is better. I know I know.


What to do. Can't change it so soon eh.

I merely jest, good luck with whatever you do m8

Why is there a... bratwurst(?) in that toilet?

If you're educated and don't behave like a monkey nobody will hate you. probably not even most "right-wing" party members

Aye.

Sounds fair enough. ^^

Can you tell me what they mean when they say- Kannacks/Kannakes

>true, but neither is facebook
youtube.com/watch?v=QVLNSOvpmT8
These videos are real. The organizations helping refugees are real. The donations are real. The volunteers are real.
>there are a ton of people who silently hate on them but don't blurt about it on twitter
Well, I can only speak for myself, but I have never seen them. I have never seen anybody hating refugees outside of Sup Forums desu.

Best place to shit-talk because you're anonymous.


Like this real side of humans.