What do you think the old Byzantines might have looked like? Like modern Greeks?
What do you think the old Byzantines might have looked like? Like modern Greeks?
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Like all different kinds of peoples.
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ofcourse not, modern greeks = turks
they were probably blonde and fair with blue eyes and pink nipples
like modern turks
Most likely this.
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Like latent homosexuals who enjoy political mutilation.
Like ortodox romans
me on the right
Me in the middle
I remember reading a summary of Liutprand of Cremona's embassy to Nikephoros Phocas where the bishop-ambassador describes Phocas as being almost black of complexion, 'as though Ethiopian', and very short.
fucking hot
Manuel Komnenos was also said to be very dark
he was even mocked presenting him as african
from what i've real the average byzantine had black hair and was somewhat short
>the average byzantine
byzantine isn't an ethnicity
It was too an ethnicity. Ever wonder why Thomas the Slav was called that? Cause he was Slavic and not Greek, which is to say, Byzantine.
This. Greek places were diverse enough already plus they got Slavs as intruders, then Crusaders, Turks...
yes
no that was the bulgarianS WhEN THEY wERE Turkic and still mixing wiTH EUROPeaNS
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It wasn't an ethnicity, it was more of a nationality.
Byzantine Empire had citizens from North Africa, from Italy, from the Balkans (even slavs later on), from Anatolia, from the Levant, from Greece...
Just like Greeks and Turks don't look alike today (they don't generally) they would look different 1000 years ago. But both would have been Byzantines.
In general modern and ancient Greeks looked the same. There is evidence of only very little Turkish or Slavic admixture. ~10-15% Slavic in the North.
There is zero 'Turkic' admixture in the modern Greek population.
There is some 'turkish' but remember that Western Turkey was considered part of Greece until 1920, and from ~300AD until ~1050AD Greek was the only language really spoken in Anatolia. Just like Vlachs fled the Slavic invasions and entered Greece, Anatolian Greeks also fled the Turkish invasions.
Modern criteria for what is Greek or what isn't is pretty stupid when you consider they colonized everything with a coastline from Gibraltar to Crimea and by land all the way to India.
Byzantines today wouldn't have a general apperance just like modern day Turkey. In fact , Byzantines now are your normal Turks with another religion and languege.
>greeks and turks don't look alike today
Wrong , they do. Pic related.
All mediterraneans look the same, stop pretending there's a difference between a greek, an italian or a spaniard.
There are
Nope
if the byzantines had survived until this day, can you imagine the fallout from the byzantine financial crisis, with emperor having to inviter radical socialists to form a government to keep golden dawn out.
it would have been lulzy to see poverty stricken greeks and hellenized kurds crossing the border to work in iran and georgia as petrol station attendants and whatnot.
Eye/Hair colour is not the whole picture.
Greeks have fairer skin and lighter hair (even if it is not 'light' it is lighter then Turks have).
Not always. There are some Turks who look Greek and some Greeks who look Turkish. But in general, they look noticeably different.
Like this.
>Greeks have fairer skin and lighter hair
My post didn't include skin colour yet there you're wrong again. There are more Turks that have pale skins that there are Greeks that are pale ( Due to geographical reasons , most of Greece sees alot of sun while it's not the same for Turkey )
And light hair is included in my post yet you're still disagreeing.
Greek, Turk. They're the same people with different langueges and religions
is 9AD old enough? they were brown by then
>There are more Turks that have pale skins that there are Greeks that are pale
You are delusional if you think this.
>And light hair is included in my post yet you're still disagreeing.
Light hair = blonde & Light brown/dirty blonde
But 'lighter' hair does not mean light hair. It just means not as dark as Turkish hair is generally.
>Greek, Turk. They're the same people with different langueges and religions
Some are, but not all.
First of all,fuck off...
Greeks are whiter than turks.Percentage-wise of course.you can detect the fucking arabness in the blood by how violent football fans are,turks are more agressive than greeks
of course,greeks are less white then they probably were in ancient history because of you...
>delusional
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>You are delusional if you think this.
Why would I be ? Have you ever been to Greece or seen anything that isn't cherrypicked about Greece ?
>Light hair = blonde & Light brown/dirty blonde
The picture I posted includes those and it is exactly same in both countries.
>Some are , but not all
Well it's right when you consider there are also asian looking Turks which make up about the %5 of the population
Does Sup Forums really think that a small military elite of Anatolian earlier conquered by a small elite of Turks was enough to radically change the Greek gene pool?
Oh I recognise you :D
And no , I won't bite. Thanks though
weird way to spell hittite gene pool. gr*eks were as invader as t*rkos.
PURE WHITE GENES IN EUROPE
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So was Lydians and every other civilization that lived in Anatolia , right ?
Albanians
hittitens too were IndoEuropean invaders.
That place have been invaded so many times and people seem to think a small elite of T*rks may change it by much.
They looked whiter.Turks fucked up greece so badly
They were IndoEuropeans so probably yes as the most widely accepted theories say IndoEuropeans orginated somewhere around Ukraine/central Asia.
So who was the original owners of Anatolia?
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Looks like the average white Mediterranean
Any good books on byzantine history? I'm mostly interested in cultural/religious angle
then all arabs and turks white to you.
Hattians were invaders. hittites were native anatolians.
btw no one succesfully invaded anatolia since mongol empire :^)
Cypriots =/= greeks
They are hellenzed but genetical more Middle Eastern
I am not sure.
I think the neolithich farmers that settled Europe came from there though.
>Hattians were invaders. hittites were native anatolians.
Wasn't it the other way around?
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i just can't see a single physical difference between greeks and turks.
No, because they aren't Christian.
To be white you have to be Christian and pale.
Pretty much the same requirement as for your piece of land to belong to Europe.
proof that there are people here who (most likely intentionally) mistake sun tanning for being middle-eastern, turkic or not white. don't bother
>To be white you have to be Christian
>Middle eastern Jesus smile for this :*
All "Abrahamic" religion and you say this. so silly.
I am not the one making the definitions, society does.
Why else do you think more people may accept Armenians and Greeks as whites than for Turks despite those groups being genetically similar?
because turks are greeks who became muslim and let their daughters be inseminated by their mongoloid/arab muslim aristocracy
the swede is right.
when you say the shahada, you stop being white. that's just how it is, turk.
become orthodox and you become white. christian arabs are seen as more white than muslim arabs.
like it or hate it, christianity casts a long shadow.
>Why else do you think more people may accept Armenians and Greeks as whites than for Turks despite those groups being genetically similar?
so simple, butthurt
>so simple, butthurt
No, a sense of belonging.
Whiteness is an identity marker so we more like applying it to people we got similarities with than those we don't. It's not just abut butthurt, none in the west is butthurt because of Tunisia or Morocco.
>i just can't see a single physical difference between greeks and turks.
are you blind?
simple: muslims can't be white and European
no European really considers Bosniaks and muslim Albos as white and European, let alone Turks
can white people please accept the fact that there are turks out there who are not muslims?
Who are irrevelant and only make up about %5
he is not turkish. he is probably kurdish.
LOL "BU ÜLKENİN %98İ MÜSLÜMAN BİKERE"Cİ OROSPU ÇOCUĞU SİKTİR GİT BURADAN
Like modern Greeks on islands.
let me rephrase that for you.
>can white people please accept the fact that there are turks out there who are not roaches?
Btw do you know what the name Yassin means?
How usual is it for Kurdish daughters or wives to mystically fall of Balconies in Turkey?
THANK YOU. i don' tnow what it exactly means but it's a very famous prayer people do here. i don't know why.
Yüzde kaçı müslüman ozaman amq
what are you implying ?
>what are you implying ?
Kurds are pretty big on honor killings over here, a normal method being to throw them off balconies .
Are they big on Honor Killings in Turkey as well?
yeah. honor killings are mainly a kurdish custom.
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>that nose
Oyy
>ancient greeks dont exist anymore
>byzantines dont exist anymore
Yet the average int poster strives and strives to find his genetic connection to the third reich.
Fuck this board, its a Sup Forums hugspace
There is a difference you mongoloid, just as there is a difference between Chinese and Japanese
Mostly, but people from the farther provinces while have looked Eastern European or Middle Eastern
Land belongs to its one that can protect it faggot.
dont forget ebin meme vikings
He did say "original" tho.
First one to protect those were probably monkeys or dogs. Words like "original owner" is meaningless.
WE WUZ HITTITES N SHEEIT
Literally nigger tier, by the time t*rks came around Hittites hadn't existed for 2000 years, same for Lydians etc.
cool pic
Yeah, though I think it is rather obvious he was talking rather clearly about the Homo Sapiens owners of it. And someone got to have been the first on the place, whenever or not they got any clear distinction from other groups nearby.
>Hittites magically disappeared but Modern Greeks are identical to Greeks who lived 3,500 years ago.
Turks are descendants of Hittites.
Hattians were there first.
Hittites came from Ukraine/Russia
And as usual everybody has a retardedly narrow definition of what is native and what is not and what is greek etc.
No they legitimately think if you tan you're not white
Greeks settled Cyprus in 1300-1200 BC and have lived there ever since.
It is retarded to make genetic distinctions between mainland Greece and Cyprus or Pontic Greeks. They're all Greek and come from a tradition and culture that has survived over 3000 years.
There is no 'genetically Greek' even within Greece. It was always a mix of different groups of people.