How do supporters of an European unity deal with the north-south divide?

South Europe (former Roman Empire) and North Europe (the celts that destroyed it) are historical enemies. You have not only historical, but also cultural differences, such as language.
How do Europeans who support an European unity perceive this matter?

>Japanese proxy posters

It's simple, most supporters live in the richer regions

Simple, we look past history

Germany has been practising genocide in Poland last century. Now they want us developed and pump money to sell their exports here.

It's simple, we come and take their jobs and seduce their women

That's the least of our concerns 2bh. Actually I've never heard any1 thinking this way

national has replaced classical history many many hundreds of years ago
some times these different historical enemies are of one nation. the problems of european unity is in a monetary system that is not supported by federalization, it is as if all the asian countries decided to form a trade bloc and use one currency, at this state it can only do so much

We don't care about things happened over 1500 years ago, most Italians see Germany and Scandinavia as a model (we still feel closer to Southern Euros of course)

>the celts that destroyed it

What? This doesn't make sense. I don't think you have a good grasp of European Culture.

But it's still very relevant, there is a huge cultural divide between northern and southern euros.

Why most southern euros are happy to be economically oppressed by their overlords is a mystery though.

>former Roman Empire
England,France,Belgium, western germany were part of the Roman Empire are not "southern europe"

Don't confuse happiness with fear of instability from leaving one or more sectors of european treaties

EU /= Eurozone
We're moslty ok with EU and unity in general but we are aware that Euro was a scam

It must be an inferiority complex.
"I am a self hating Mediteranean therefore I feel better if I'm in the same club as Germany, because I think they are better than my own country"

Euro doesn't seem to do much wrong. Poland didn't want euro and Estonia got euro implemented. Now Estonia is slightly ahead when it comes to purchasing power or other economical indexes but I doubt it can be solely attributed to currency.

Euro is a problem for us because of the debt, Germany wanted us in even if we were unsuitable to hinder the competition in exportations

As far as I know Greece faked stats to get in, don't know about Italy.

You have very little understanding of European history.
The roman spread all over Mediterranean coasts and conquered most of the celts (Gaul, Iberia and great Britain). They mixed with them for hundreads of year. Then came Germanic tribes from the north east when the empire was stumbling.
These tribes established themselves in various part.of the former empire at the beggining of middle age. Franks over Germany and France, vandals in Iberia and then north Africa, ostrogoth in italy and wisigoth in Spain. They will later form kingdoms that precede said nations.
Some are very stable and old like France being pretty much born with Clovis (or more accurately after Charlemagne), other like Italy or Germany will form out of a bunch of smaller entities a bit later.
All these people have been trading and moving across the continent for millenias, all these cultures are intertwined and language influenced each other.
There is no clear divide across Europe. There are as.much difference between someone from napoly and Milan than from the average Italian and average German (language aside). There are.more difference between French basque country and Alsace than between Alsace and Bade Württemberg.
At one point Austria and hungaria were the same country, Poland and.Lithuania formed a big Commonwealth spreading many miles east and west, French and English invaded each other and each other possession hundreads of time. Same for France and Italy. Spain and Netherland belonged to the same empire for decades etc etc.

Of course there are difference between a broad south ans a broad north with common characteristics. But things are much more complex. Today the south is facing more problems than the north, but factors in Spain (which had a smaller debt and deficit than Germany before the crisis hit) are tremendously different than the roots of Italian or Greek problems. It's due to some local particularisme more than a southern tendency to profligacy.

Note than right now Netherland is suffering while statist France is on a stable path. Not quite the austere succesful north vs lazy socialist southerner story.

Europe is very complex and one should beware of simple.narratives, especially when they serve political goals.
Except for Greece, the fuckers blatantly lied and cheated to get in, then spent everything they were receiving in corruption so now the whole state is to build from scratch.
At least Poland knew to invest all the germoney to bring prosperity.

Fuck the European Union its a cancer.

2bh we up north tend to think, that the southern europeans exploit the eu while we up here pay the costs. Of course it's not as black and white as that, but it's the feeling here.

Ps. Greece pay debts.

I love the concept of European unity, as far as white nationalism is concerned. A unified economy and defense is brilliant but the leftist social ideals of the EU are a major fucking catastrophe.

>How do Europeans who support an European unity perceive this matter?
It's either rich bastards who only care for their own profits or retards who don't know anything about history.
Whenever I try to explain to people why we should never be in a union with France they are completely dumbfounded.

Spain and France are actually countries that have the most in common and reasons to be in a close union.
You got the basque country and catalunya in common too. Both very close romance language, similar yet not too overlapping economics, long tradition of university and research exchanges (from the bloody middle age actually). Both catholics with old ties (your royal family is French of origin).
Both strong agriculture and emphasis on product quality, local traditions and geographic denominations that yield high value export and names that are famous worldwide.
Emphasis on military intervention and strong projection capacities to protect many oversea land (albeit lesser in Spain).

Why the heck would you believe they are better separated?

>Emphasis on military intervention and strong projection capacities to protect many oversea land (albeit lesser in Spain).
Non-existent in Spain*
The reason is very clear: they have a major superiority complex and betrayed us as soon as they could.
France is to us what we are to Portugal; no amount of similarities could heal how much the eastern country did to the westerner one.
And there's a very big difference in "Europeism". They are the image of Europe, we have little to do with it.

southerners are really poor and they've been replaced by moors and berbers centuries ago anyway

>At one point Austria and hungaria were the same country,

Yes, and they hated each other

Not.that much actually

Spain is the more interventionist country after France and Benelux (UK is apart because their parliamentary control sometime gets weird like with Syria).
Of course their capacity are far below the French but they have pretty much the same vision of defense on many topics. Spain would greatly benefit of shared capacities like French A400M and their bases in Africa.
>they betrayed us.
Wtf did the French do to you since Franco? Stop thinking in/int/ memes and relic from a past where both countries didn't even exist in their current form.
You might debate about Spain and Germany belonging to the same currency area (not optimum at all) but France and a pain have every reason to get even closer than they are right now.

>Germany wanted us in even if we were unsuitable to hinder the competition in exportations
Can we please stop this meme? The Euro was a French project and hugely unpopular in Germany since before it was introduced.

we are cucks, I'd love to be forced to suck big white german cocks while he teases me with sweet euromoney

Thanks man, good work.

>Europeans who support an European unity
aka cucks

It is easier to blame the evil germans instead of their own incompetent governments.

Not that ours were better.

Man Germany didn't help at all.

With what?

Nevermind I just saw he was talking about italian governments.

I would like an European Union if it meant that every state gets to preserve it's cultural heritage and traditions and if it meant we can share values and economic freedom, however the current state of the EU is terrible as it's rife with leftist policies that are really intrusive (Brussels telling countries what to do with anything they want, etc) and enforcing refugees welcome policies and stuff.

I love Europe and the europeans, but I hate the European Union in it's current form. People tend to forget not even 80 years ago we were at war with each other, and in the past 200 years we've had many bloody wars between each other.

We need proper open votes in an european parlament.

Something with some sort of combined efforts in fiscal and foreign policy and some combined army corps together with national military.

Just look at how the us handles their states, we could make federal policy less intrusive though.

That would only mark the first step of the United States of Europe.

The EU was in part created and certainly expanded in order to expedite a changing geographical axis of economic activity and political power across the European subcontinent, and that axis is on the move again in the wake of the PIIGS sovereign debt crises and associated political and economic turmoil.

>Spain and France are actually countries that have the most in common and reasons to be in a close union.

shit troll 2/10