If you want help: >State the budget & currency for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, try to include information like response time, refresh rate, resolution, and size
CPUs: >G4560/G4600 for non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >R3 1200 - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) >i3 8100 - Better budget CPU; extra cost of the currently available Z mobos lessens the value of the CPU >R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >R7 1700 - Best value for multithread performance right now. 1700x and 1800x is a waste of money if you are not afraid of overclocking. >i7 8700k - all-rounder king with high clock speed and 6 cores. Good luck actually getting one though. >Threadripper/Used Xeons: Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Rendering
RAM: >Check your Mobo's QVL before buying RAM or look for user reports >Ryzen CPUs benefit a lot from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal
GPUs: Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >GTX 1050Ti and 3GB 1060 are the only reasonably priced cards; 6GB 1060 if you want to overpay a little. >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070 / 1080 are standard choices. Vega 56 / 64 if you can get it cheap. >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 4K >GTX 1080Ti
General: >Consider a 240GB or larger SSD. >Consider a Wireless Network Adapter, either 2.4 or 5GHz
1600 or 1600x if I can get the x with a cooler at the same price of the 1600?
Jonathan Anderson
>this kid has richer parents than you. fixed
1600x but depends on the cooler
Carson Martin
I have an old gaymen PC with a 3570k, I've just updated the GPU and I want to upgrade the CPU as well, will I notice much of a difference with a 3770k or should I just wait and put that money towards a new PC? I'm hesitant to build a new rig right now because I want at least 16 GB RAM but that's so expensive now.
Anthony Hernandez
Just the Hyper 212
Ian Ortiz
better binning and hyper 212 performs better than stock ryzen cooler so yeah 1600x no doubt.
have you overclocked your i5?
John Baker
No, because I need to repaste it and get a new cooler and I'm too lazy, but I want either more cores or more threads since I do quite a bit of photo/video editing and music production as well as gaymen
Colton Scott
Is there actually better binning on the X-SKUs or is this just an assumption? I've never seen it confirmed by anyone.
They retain too much value as halo chips of 1155 to consider for such a small jump. Maybe if you were coming from a Pentium or an i3. Unless you are using a GTX 1070 or up you won't see a huge uplift with a better CPU, generally.
Jose Cooper
How bad is this build? Want something cheap for a few games and uni stuff.
So I have a question I'm being told that unless all the components of a PC are from the same generation and built to specifically interconnect the computer won't run as well as it should
That is to say, for example, that GPUs won't work properly or as well/fast as they could if they aren't built within a mobo that isn't built for them
Is this true?
Ian Martin
Nope, there are plenty of people using new GPUs with Intel i5 2500k CPUs from 2012 and even earlier than that without a problem
Ethan Smith
No it's not true at all. There is bottlenecking, but as a general rule if you hear someone say this word, they have no idea what it means. It's not even that complex. The CPU and GPU do different things in the game. The more the game demands each for each frame, the less frames you get. IF you turn down the GPU related settings (IE graphics), then the CPU is the one limiting the amount of frames you get. Then if you turn down the CPU related settings (or rather, by replacing your CPU with a really powerful one) and turn up the graphical settings, the GPU will start be the limiting processor. That's bottlenecking, when your CPU can deliver 114fps of game X, but the GPU can only deliver 50fps of game X, you're getting 50fps and your CPU is idle half the time. In that situation, the GPU is the bottleneck.
This is why CPU benchmarks turn down the fucking gpu settings, too.
Luke Bell
>Is there actually better binning on the X-SKUs or is this just an assumption? considering their boost speeds are higher then obviously they're better binned. siliconlottery published ryzen overclocking statistics after release (they removed them some time ago though). also on HWBot average overclock is 4.0GHz for 1600x and 3.9GHz for 1600.
>more cores or more threads since I do quite a bit of photo/video editing 3770k won't give you that much of a boost, it's not worth it. start saving up for a new ryzen build, r7 1700 with 8c/16t should be good enough for your usage. don't expect ram prices to fall (possibly ever). meanwhile you should get a cooler and OC your cpu, you already paid for unlocked multiplier (and probably mobo with overclocking), so grab a cooler and get free performance increase. you can always re-use a cooler so it's a good investment for the future.
pcpartpicker.com/list/bCssd6 personally i'd spend more for 240gb ssd / gtx 1050ti (much better performance in vidya for like $30-$40 more).
Bentley Garcia
Can't really do better for 600 bucks, but if you really want to save money and depending on the games you play you could get a cheapo Bristol Ridge APU now and replace it with a Raven Ridge APU down the line. Again, that's only if you really want to save money and don't play many too demanding games but it's worth considering. And you could always add a GPU any time if the performance isn't up to par.
Jaxon Thompson
>There is bottlenecking, but as a general rule if you hear someone say this word, they have no idea what it means. It's not even that complex.
Your explaination - while accurate - can be made much shorter to the following
"Until everything is infinitely fast there will always be something holding you back" or to use a more commonly known phrase "a chain is only as strong as the weakest link".
Its a sad day when people don't realise that at times it can be things like your drive I/O or network speed holding you back.
Connor Harris
>(they removed them some time ago though)
Do you happen to know why?
Caleb Campbell
I'll probably grab a cooler and try to overclock it but it's running at like 60C idling and 80C at load at stock with the stock cooler so I'm pretty sure there's something fucky going on.
Benjamin Murphy
How does this look for a $1500 leaf bucks gaymen build? Waiting for the 1070 ti before pulling the trigger.
is it a bad idea to buy used GPUs? I can get a gtx 1070 gigabyte g1 with 9 months of use, for like 400$
Logan Ortiz
Why the M.2 drive?
Brian, plz.
Logan Hernandez
Don't buy poozen, john
Jordan Foster
What are the drawbacks of making a microATX build instead of a full-size PC?
Obviously without good ventilation and cable management shit can get hot but I'm not sure I have the space on my small desk/small room for a gargantuan box.
Bentley James
Mobos have less feature, and the extra heat. Thats it really
Owen Watson
Does this happen with mobos?
Dominic White
want to spend 2-3k on a new rig any suggestions
Zachary Perez
>Do you happen to know why? i suppose they don't gain anything from making them public. they are a business after all.
Something that does shed some light on 8700k's cooling. So apparently (seems to also be dependant on a motherboard setting, but is enabled by default on most Z370's) even at stock settings the 8700k can bring your average air cooler to its knees (212 Evo et al.), let alone OC'd. I think it could be relevant adding to the OP to just forget midrange coolers on a 8700k, and either get a beefy air cooler, or just go water altogether.
Jace Hughes
don't cpus are all the same these days unless you need multitasking if it is just for games you don't need to spend a lot anymore to get good fps @ 1080p source: my ass and also store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/cpus/
Colton Brown
Extremely rarely due to the difference in quality for things like onboard network chips and whatnot (hence why some threadripper and x299 boards have multiple lan ports) but in practical terms mothers are a non-factor.
No issue - they just tend to be more expensive per gb than SATA drives and chances are you are using it only as a boot drive and thus sata ssd's are good enough. M.2 really shiens when you need insane write speeds.
Samuel Morgan
I have an i5 6600k at the moment. Would upgrading to an i5 8400 be beneficial at all? I feel like the 4 core 4 threads hold me back sometimes.
Jason Parker
So I was considering updating my old ass rig with a GTX 1070 for gaming purposes, but I don't really know if I need to upgrade my CPU/motherboard while I'm at it. Thoughts ?
Chase Robinson
Its an upgrade but i'd not consider it worthwhile given you are investing into an entirely new platform - go big or go home.
Blake Jenkins
Shit sux mang.
Tyler Wilson
It just sucks famalam
Grayson Scott
Let me rephrase that. To what CPU should I aim for if I want to run with a gtx 1070
Bentley Perry
you source just shows that most of the people on steam are laptop users. also 90% of them play trash that don't require a good pc. at 2-3k budget you're not looking at 1440p144hz (a good monitor is like $600) or 4k rather than 1080p.
not worth it IMO, especially right now. just overclock and if you still feel like 4c/4t is not enough wait until next year for new intel mobos and zen+.
Gabriel Cooper
Quick blog time and then a question
So I got all my pieces over a month ago, I did all the building but I couldn't get a POST.
Some of the friendly anons here diagonsed that it sounded like mobo issues, I got very strange LED errors which would switch ever so often. I contacted an old buddy to have a look, we tried to troubleshoot and he also thought it was a mobo issue.
I RMA'd that shit, got it all together very unsure it would actually work, but hey, at least the mobo was fixed right. The box with my mobo said it was tested on Win10 and the test center had succesfully started it up and updated the BIOS for me.
I tried to boot, and lo and behold, I could fucking POST. Turned out it was probably shitty MSI BIOS that was the culprit all along.
So if any anons out there struggle with a similar issue, I sent that shit back and now everything works.
Now to my question. I'm sitting on this new rig now, I installed Win7, but keep getting "warnings" about my new hardware not being compatible with the Win7. Should I update to Win10 or not? Will I get any performance boost? Only very few games actually run DX12 so I don't see too much trouble in not having it.
TLDR: Had weird issues not being able to POST, sent my mobo back, they updated it and now it works. Do I upgrade to win10 from win7 y/n?
David Ortiz
Not that user, but what about M.2 with SATA interface? I'd like to get one to have less cables. Don't they get too hot?
Camden Reed
A new cpu won't solve the problem when you are hobbling the 1070 with that 2002-era resolution.
Leo Stewart
If you're broke get some i5 from the last 2 gens and a cheap mobo
Logan Ward
Do you like Windows 10? If you like how it works, then go for it. If it's nothing different to you, go for it. If you like how 7 looks or works, don't "upgrade". t. 10 user
Tyler Cooper
>my new hardware not being compatible with the Win7. it's a meme by microshit to get you install their new windows botnet edition. ignore the warnings / disable them. >Will I get any performance boost? no currently implementations of DX12 are a failure, in some cases it actually lowers the performance. honestly Win10 still seems like a failure and i've heard many people having issues with it. just stick with windows 7.
Oliver Gray
I've never once reapplied thermal paste in 4 years which I feel is something you should do, so 60C doesn't really feel that outlandish
Connor Morris
Thanks for the suggestions. Might actually go for the bigger ssd / 1050ti. At first I planned to get the i5 7400 but it isn't really that much better from what I saw and it costs much more.
Matthew Davis
I keep getting these when I try to look for updates.
I just heard that Win10 had these "massive" performance boosts, both in normal use and in gaming, but I also heard about the privacy issues. I love Win7 to death, and DX12 doesn't seem like a problem at the moment. I haven't tried win10 at all though.
t. new ryzen 5 user
Joseph Thomas
8400
Tyler Brooks
i5 2500 (not k), time to upgrade?
Leo Taylor
temps on stock and idle should be like 20C lower than that. i reapplied my thermal paste after 5 years and it didn't really make a difference for me.
the only people claiming that windows 10 gave them "massive" performance boosts in games are either paid shills or tech-illiterate.
Thomas Reyes
wait for B360/H310 mobos and get one with i5 8400. or 8600k + z370 + cooler if you feel like spending money
Dylan Torres
>G4560/G4600 lmao
Leo Cruz
Windows 7 on Kabylake; will it really cause many issues?
Asher Foster
Budget build.
Ryzen 3 or Pentium?
Gavin Campbell
Ok, thx! :)
Joshua Mitchell
>the current state of intel
Cameron Morris
wew
ryzen
Angel Butler
Follow up question about RAM.
I bought very fast RAM as instructed when buying a Ryzen CPU. But they run very slow right now. How do I bump them up in speed, I assume in BIOS?
I'm using an MSI mobo that has some decent settings
Benjamin Brown
And Coffee Lake for that matter
Julian Rodriguez
>G4560/G4600 >i3 8100
It is very cruel to meme people into buying this shit.
Colton Price
I'm still seeing low prices in the first world
Leo Ortiz
>p-please buy a-apus
Easton Jackson
>europe
Nicholas Williams
Hi! Sorry if I seem a bit clueless, but I have a minor concern with a GPU that I'll be using with my build.
I've read online at multiple sources that the GTX 960 has driver issues with windows 10, given that I don't have a system to install drivers for it with beforehand as it's a hand-me-down, am I boned on trying to start up given that I'll be using a Ryzen 1300x?
Adam Scott
In the BIOS, under OC tab (press F9 maybe) there is a setting called XMP. It should auto-detect your RAM and put in the settings, so all you have to do is enable it.
Austin Davis
Its fine
Carter Perry
In that price range you can buy a whole used computer with an i5 2500 and just put a good graphics card in.
Carter Price
Appreciate it, cheers.
Ian Martin
Inital thoughts? Anywhere I've spent too much? Want to stay near the 450 quid mark.
Zachary Moore
I5 8400 or r5 1600 for video editing, a bit of gaymin and general mixed use/multitasking. Intel is like 20$ more because of motherboard prices.
Julian Smith
Your build is just under that golden price point where you can get the least compromises for your money. If you can save up a bit more then you can get a lot more.
Once you get enough money later on, say, $50-60, buy a cheap SSD and put the OS on there for fast restart.
Bentley Morgan
Ryzen is better for mixed tasks. Gaming comes down to what GPU you have.
Luis Roberts
This
Levi Rogers
some people just don't want to buy used, period.
Gavin Kelly
Recommending a dual core processor in current year makes little sense, and recommending i3 with a shit intel integrated graphics makes even less sense.
Thomas Morales
Such as? How much are we talking here?
Jack Thomas
wait another paycheck and buy at least a 1060 and 1600
Robert Young
how is minecraft on multiple monitors even supposed to work?
Xavier Hall
No memes, retard.
Carson Cruz
>2c/4t is b-bad >b-but 4 cores is also bad!!! make up your mind
Xavier Howard
do you have a chart like that for the 1600?
Jordan Sullivan
>plague is bad >leprosy is bad
Sometimes both options are bad.
Owen Gutierrez
got an old massive air cooler laying around do i buy the 8350k and overclock it or 8400? only intent is games no video rendering/streaming
Luke Turner
I just mean that it'd be nice to have the voltage for it to go from if anyone had that
Grayson Sanchez
8350 cant game, dont buy it
Jace Perry
A 1060, an SSD, more, faster RAM, and a more powerful/better quality PSU could all be done for just a bit more.
Parker Perez
Are you sure it fits the socket?
FX 8350 =/= 8350k
Matthew Walker
Bunch of shooters and no depth games that are made for dual core processors with expensive gpus is supposed to make you correct about something? find the experiences of people that play some cpu intensive games and people that use their computers for things that arent braidnead fps.
Point is that people buying those will not have money for a discrete gpu. Especially so if they buy an overpriced cpu with an even more overpriced motherboard.
Jose Edwards
Oh, get the 8400, its like 10 dollars more than the 8350k and comes with a cooler
Xavier Parker
>using stock cooler
David Anderson
I heard the 8400 tuns at 65c under load with the stock cooler
Joseph Smith
so intel makes one of the best value gaming CPU of all time in the 8400 but you have to buy special xtreem $800 snowflake mobos for it at launch because no back comp
am i understanding this right? what the fuck were they thinking?
Mason Jones
>what the fuck were they thinking?
That their roadmap just got pulled forwards by 6 months.
Gavin Reed
>Point is that people buying those will not have money for a discrete gpu. I agree that recommending buying KBL at this point is really dumb and someone should change the OP. However, when the Pentium was still available at reasonable prices, fucking everybody and their mother who were building systems ITT were pairing it with a dGPU. People pair graphics cards alongside sub $100 CPUs without issue. They have before, and they will continue in the future, once lower-end AMD Ryzen and Intel CPUs release.
