>Handy overview of available parts (outdated prices / builds) logicalincrements.com/ >Assemble a part list pcpartpicker.com/ >Learn how to build a PC (You can find a lot more detailed videos on channels like Bitwit) [YouTube] how to build a pc. (embed) >How to install Win7 on Ryzen pastebin.com/TUZvnmy1 (embed)
If you want help: >State the budget & currency for your build >List your uses, e.g. Gaming, Video Editing, VM Work >For monitors, try to include information like response time, refresh rate, resolution, and size
CPUs: Intel still uses shitty TIM on its new CPU's so consider nitrogen cooling or a delidding kit >G4560/G4600 for non-gaming (light tasks) or bare minimum gaming builds with a dedicated graphics card >R3 1200 - Budget builds (best with OC + fast RAM) >i3 8100 - Better budget CPU; extra cost of the currently available Z mobos lessens the value of the CPU >R5 1600 / i5 8400 - Great gaming or multithreaded use CPUs >R7 1700 - Best value for multithread performance right now. 1700x and 1800x is a waste of money if you are not afraid of overclocking. >i7 8700k - housefire dispenser, ghost-launched so won't be available until a few months >Threadripper/Used Xeons: Heavy Multi-Tasking / VM Work / Rendering
RAM: >Check your Mobo's QVL before buying RAM or look for user reports >Ryzen CPUs benefit a lot from high speed RAM; 3000-3200 MHz is ideal
GPUs: Crypto-Currency miners have driven GPU prices up (particularly Radeon) 1080p >GTX 1050Ti and 3GB 1060 are the only reasonably priced cards; 6GB 1060 if you want to overpay a little. >GTX 1070 if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates and you have a CPU and monitor to match 1440p >GTX 1070 / 1080 are standard choices. Vega 56 / 64 if you can get it cheap. >GTX 1080Ti if you're looking for very high (100+) framerates 4K >GTX 1080Ti
General: >Consider a 240GB or larger SSD. >Consider a Wireless Network Adapter, either 2.4 or 5GHz
Has it degraded? What CPU are you using and what temps do you have?
Jaxson Bell
NH-D15 you'll likely need a new case
Brandon Walker
Is 3000mhz ram worth it for coffee lake?
John Barnes
if I strap a good enough cooler on 8400 will it actually reach 4GHz or is turbo speed a "your milage may vary" copout? don't want to get fucked by intel anymore than i need to
Xavier Thomas
Depends on what cpu you have and how hot it gets
Justin Ward
4ghz is only for one core. Maxing all cores is 3.8 and i hear the stock cooler can manage it fine
Liam Campbell
i have an i7 6700k and last i checked around 50 to 60 c under load
will it fit in a define r5?
Christopher Richardson
Fuck Intel shills and fuck AMD fanboys Reminder to buy based on what you actually need and not meme benchmarks
t. got memed into ryzen
Joshua Murphy
>i got memed into buying a good cpu
Nathaniel Johnson
>define r5 >180mm cpu cooler, NH-D15 165mm yeah it'll fit but check your mobo on noctua first to see what if anything might get blocked sometimes the first pcie gets blocked
Christian Mitchell
Note: You can currently get a 4GB RX 580 or 570 cheaper than a 6GB 1060, and the 580 is faster.
Chase Diaz
>oy vay ill never be a good boyim i buy AhMeD
Logan Cox
There's also the NH-D15S, which performs the same but if designed for motherboard compatability. Also a bit shorter but that doesn't matter to you.
Ethan Jones
pcpartpicker.com/list/MDF3LD anything I need to unfuck or does it all seem good? gonna upgrade the gpu later since i've got an old one laying around
Benjamin Howard
t. butthurt intel power user
Jaxon Wright
ok pajeet
Sebastian Sullivan
Unless you have a high-refresh monitor no matter what you upgrade to there is going to be a GPU bottleneck so investing in Z370 is a bit pointless right now. Wait until cheaper motherboards come out.
Aiden Lewis
Really makes you think
James Lee
Curious how that mobo stacks up to the MSI Z370-A PRO for the same price. Msi board has a plated gpu slot this has more plating on that mobo thing that gets hot when you oc and u dont really need thay
Nolan Nelson
Hmm really jogs the nog
Gavin Rogers
sort of unique situation since computer died recently anyway and found a deal on asrock pro4 that gets it down so either way need a new mobo might as well get the latest one right?
Daniel Stewart
asrock pro4 was cheapest could find
Nicholas Morales
Good to know. Maybe manually set the price for the pro4 so we know the value?
Juan Cox
was mainly looking for anything i should change, everything there is the cheapest in socket could find
Brody Hall
Faster RAM would be nicer, but it depends on jpw much more you have to spend.
Jace Morgan
How. Not "jpw". I really fucked that upside-down and counterclockwise.
Adam Taylor
oy vey
William Gutierrez
The one i described is on amazon if you want to check it out
Buy 1600 and use stock. Budget coolers really won't help all too much more in terms of OC since a stock can carry to even 3.8. Your RAM could OC bit who knows desu. Not quite worth buying new memory over. Yes, 3 120mms will be fine. No way would he get less than 60fps with Ryzen you fucking retard
Lincoln Jenkins
me rn
Christian Parker
The 1600x is cheaper than 1600 by five bucks, I'm hoping the higher bin will mean lower voltage needed for 3.8. I also hear that wraith spire gets super loud if you OC with it.
I want to be streaming the games, which I can't do even with shadowplay on my current setup.
Joseph Allen
what am i looking at
Grayson Cooper
Is there any value in adding RAM to my watercooling loop outside of aesthetics?
Adrian Howard
Looks like you can get the 4GB 580 for $250 and the 6GB 1060 for $260. At those prices I'd still get the 1060. But neither really make sense while the 3GB version is $205.
Get 3000MHz RAM. The i5 has integrated graphics so no need to dig out the old card. But I'd question whether you really need that i5
Personally I'd hold off a bit and get an i5 6500 or i5 7500 when used prices drop. Honestly I'm surprised that the i3 can't hold 60FPS in those games. Maybe try turning down shadows and draw distance a little?
Sebastian Long
Unless you don't have a fancy heat spreader or some really overclockable RAM that you aren't comfortable with air cooling, then there is no point.
Hunter Ross
Why doesn't anyone run benches showing performance vs older cpu like the 2xxx - 5xxx lineup? Are the new ones even that big of an upgrade beyond more cores and the workloads that befit from it?
Joshua Butler
hmmm, looks like I might just need to turn down textures, i do only have a 6gb 1060
Jayden Mitchell
>Get 3000MHz RAM but why though?
Nathan Wilson
My planned 240hz competitive gaming upgrade/build for when coffe lake is actually instock: pcpartpicker.com/list/D9Yhhq Performance per dollar isnt as important as squeezing out as much FPS and keeping it steady. I don't plan on running SLI. Is the PSU enough for 8700k while OC'd?
Colton Nelson
I want to >stream. which is why i'm iffy about slotting in a kaby lake.
300w of headroom according to the calculator,but a seasonic or EVGA will probably serve you better
Xavier Moore
Here's the benchmarks for Fortnite
I don't think textures are the problem with a 6GB card. Are you having trouble when there are a lot of effects or players on screen?
Henry Wood
If you want to get the most out of your CPU, delid it and use Noctua since AIOs are for show only and you will thermal throttle before you can reach the chip's potential. 960 Evo won't get you any more frames, if you were suspecting that.
Liam Sanchez
Custom water loop would cool better.
Gavin Bell
Relatively large performance boost for a little money
Oliver Jackson
Because there is a performance boost with faster ram, and the jump to 3000 or 3200 isn't that expensive.
Matthew Ramirez
here are my settings. I get dips below 40 when skydiving onto the island, actual firefights are 50ish.
Epic resolution scale does nothing as I only have a 1080p60 screen.
Andrew Nguyen
Since he's planning to buy AIO, be probably doesn't want to. Actually, he could cool the best with phaze-change.
Daniel Murphy
Set View Distance to Far
Juan Russell
B-but my multicore reeeeeeeeeeeeee
Samuel James
Something to save up for. I want to get a Vive
Luke Morgan
Perhaps you haven't heard.. the 8700K is out, and it's way better than the 7700K for almost the same price
Carson Scott
>Relatively large performance boost checked the 3000 ram they had in stock, too many bad reviews about it not working and since i'm cheaping out on mobo might as well get basic 2400 ram right on specification
Robert Perry
thanks, i'll look into evga or seasonic.
Yeah i know 960 Evo wont give me more fps lol, thats why I picked a smallish capacity one. I figured if 8700k wont OC to 5ghz, I'll probably have to delid. But why are AIOs for show only? Alot of the reviewers I watch use AIOs for their testing and benchmarks. Im actually using an old NH-D15 in my current pc, works well, but im sick of it since it had some clearance issues with ram and gpu.
Chase Lee
> 7700K kek, wait for 8700K or just get a Ryzen 1700, quad-cores for that price range in the current year is unacceptable.
> GTX 1080 Wait for the 1070ti, it's basically 1080 performance for much less.
Jaxson Sullivan
I'd have to consider upgrading to the 8700k, consider buying windows CD key, for 2466 ram, or smaller ssd+had storage.
Robert Brown
High end Noctua and Be Quiet! get better temps than AIOs. Their only real advantage is sometimes being quieter.
If you want to liquid cool, get a custom loop. If you aren't willing to spend that amount of effort/money do it on air.
Delidding gives *stupid* thermal improvements on intel because they use glue instead of solder to keep the heat spreader on
Chase Moore
Okay so I have sort of a story and some questions:
I have a 4790K with a Z97 PC-Mate mobo that I got with the G3258 for $100 a few years back. I'm pretty much committed to the Z97 platform for the next 5 years or so (I feel like I can OC that 4 hyperthreaded core baby for a while longer), but I'm worried about the mobo giving out on me first. Its USB 3.0 front header is pretty much not gonna go back together if I take the cable out, the BIOs settings are kinda shit, and it doesn't have any goodies like M.2.
So my question is, is there a new Z97 mobo out there that is more future-proof? I saw pic related on Newegg for $125, but there doesn't seem to be much new stock. I'm honestly open for $200+ if it's gonna last me.
Thanks for any help.
Christopher Bailey
The 580 is better than the 1060 though. It's $10 cheaper and better so why wouldn't I get the 580?
Mason Mitchell
power consumption/heat/noise, 480 uses 60W more. not everyone has their landlord pay the power bill
Jason Robinson
This. While the 580 is overall faster and more future proof, Pascal is always considerably more efficient.
Ryan Harris
Once AIOs are all fired up(maybe an hour into a session), they make the chip run hotter and are noisier than high-end air. If you want the best temps, go custom cooling or even consider subzero. If you want the best noise performance, air-cooling is second to none, and the NH-D15S has the same performance and more motherboard and case compatability. AIOs look nice and provide easiwr management of parts on your board, but cannot cool as effectively as other options around the price-point. You really won't see NVMe getting you anywhere, and it could acrually be better for your money to buy another 850 Evo and run them in RAID 0.
Bentley Roberts
and if I give zero fucks about power consumption and don't want to deal with nvidia's drivers?
Julian Diaz
I'm looking into EK and Swiftech, not sure if im comfortable enough with doing the whole loop on my own. But whats this about sub zero? im not made of money lol
Grayson Cox
You meming, friend?
I'd say they're about equal, maybe the 1060 leads a little bit. Only recent big game that the 580 has won is the new Battlefront, and that's still in beta.
Matthew Collins
Then get the 580
Easton Howard
I'd do a custom loop if I had the money. Take it as a learning experience. Anyway, I heard about an AIO that was basically a prebuilt custom loop in a previous pcbg, but I can't remember what it was. Either way, most AIOs have good performance, but not the best performance or noise levels.
Carson Adams
>You meming, friend? >nvidia drivers have killed graphics cards >the worst AMD drivers have done is disable crossfire and offer slightly worse performance than the card is capable of.
Lincoln Price
>AMD cards have killed motherboards
Kayden Bell
ordered 8400 hope it can survive the fast approaching Australian summer
Nathaniel Martinez
Thanks, luckily it'll be awhile until I have the cash anyway
Samuel Davis
no. that would be shit MSI heatsinks
Alexander Perez
First time builder, how am i doing? Prices are in NZD which is about $1080usd. Any money saving tips from fellow kiwis?
Isaac Adams
>Buying 7th gen >Buying 7th gen i5
Gabriel Reed
What should i get then friendo?
Jacob Morgan
either go AMD Ryzen 5 6 core or 8th gen Intel 6 core. (assuming you can even get ahold of one)
Pick one ofthose 4. At the moment, the AMD chips are better value.
Oliver Davis
>asked for advice 2 to 3 years ago on building a pc >intel 4690k, zotac gtx 970, 8gb ram and a corsair psu >worked for 2 or so years then computer sparked possibly taking my mobo with it >turns out corsair psu's were absolute shit for that build and nobody bothered to tell me
Well it was my fault for not asking somewhere else but its still such a waste.
Figured it would last me another two years.
Austin White
It's cheaper to buy everything under $400nzd from overseas and you don't have to pay GST
Mason Watson
Does anyone have experience with pcliquidations?
Thomas Scott
Pick the CPU from the list in the OP that best suits your use case. The price/performance of 7th gen i5s is abysmal. Either buy AMD now, or wait for 8th gen Intel to be in stock.
Colton Wright
8400 is cheaper and way better
Landon Roberts
You're not taking into account motherboard cost and the fact the Ryzen chips have more threads which makes them superior in thread-heavy workloads
Parker Cooper
hmm so ryzen was just a meme after all?
Tyler Richardson
Pls help thanks guys.
Angel Edwards
i'm working on a private server for a game, but a majority of the sourcecode isnt mine. without sifting through what already works, is there a way to tell if more cpu cores would improve my initialization time? it involves reading from files and im not sure on how heavily multithreaded it is, but it takes ~60 seconds on 4 cores 8 threads and uses up to 65% cpu at the moment, plus 5 minutes for client launch. ive relaunched thousands of times at this point, and id like to cut it down. thanks
Jaxon Sanders
Also, the i5 8400 is shit for gaming + streaming, as are the 4 core Ryzen chips. You want a Ryzen 5 1600 at minimum for that since it has MANY more threads to devote to streaming without hampering gaming performance, which the i5 cannot do.
Intelfags, call me when Intel makes a 6 core i5 with hyper threading
Oliver Taylor
Everything's a meme, user.
Jack Wood
ok m8 tyvm for the advice.
Aiden Williams
nope. Intel chips have higher average framerates, but when things get multi-threading heavy, the i5's tank while the Ryzen chips are unaffected. youtube.com/watch?v=4RMbYe4X2LI
Thomas Smith
A ghetto solution would be to disable cores and test it like that. Otherwise, use a friend's PC.
Justin Cruz
ive disabled cores all the way from 1 to 7, and i see the performance plateau around 6 cores enabled. im just slightly confused as to why its capped at that point, and was wondering if more cores would make it plateau maybe around 14 threads out of 16 instead of 6 out of 8, or if i should look only for higher clocks on 4 cores.
Nicholas Ortiz
Is there any evidence to suggest the next evolution of Ryzen will be competitive with Intel chips in terms of minimum framerates in older games?
Leo Flores
Original dev was probably lazy then Do the same thing with clocks if you haven't
William Perez
no
Nathaniel Scott
one of the people working with me has a later gen quadcore, hes getting around 30s init time, and another one with an i5 is getting 80s. should i just opt for higher clock speeds?